Please keep this thread clean and informative.
*This is a read-only thread. If you have a newbie question, please start a new thread in an appropriate forum*
Welcome to my survival guide for MM newbies. This thread contains some tips and advices especially useful for people who are new to Model Mayhem. This thread will not help you become successful. This thread is designed only to help you stay out of trouble.
The guide contains mostly tips for people who are fairly new to modeling. Some tips are for models only, while some are universal and apply to photographers and stylists as well. There are two main components at this time.
1. Bio Do's and Dont's - talks about what are some of the things to avoid when you write your bio, as well as some other tips.
2a. The Ecology of MM Forums - learn the types of creatures that post in the forums.
2b. Basic Forum Survival Tips - avoid getting torn apart. It's not pretty.
- Acronym List
- FAQ on Forums
Disclaimer: This guide was written and provided to Mayhem members on volunteer basis. I, and other contributors, are not directly affiliated with ModelMayhem.com, its parent entity, or its subsidiaries.
Notes to other MM survivors:
If you have other survival tips, please feel free to provide them in the form of a reply. I will continue to add to this guide per your suggestion. I also reserve the right to choose which tips to include. Thanks in advance.
Feb 05 07 07:42 pm Link
== PRESENTATION ==
Model Mayhem allows you to present yourself both with text and with pictures. Think of your 'About me' as your cover letter, and that your portfolio as your resume. Your bio should be concise, professional, and informative.
DO use proper grammar and spelling. We don't expect everyone to write like a Nobel Prize candidate, but it should at least show that you put in effort in composing your bio. Use spell checker if you're bad at spelling. Be extra careful with misuse of homonyms, such as there and their.
DO NOT use netspeak. There are places where netspeak is appropriate, like MySapce. Do not substitute the letter u for the word 'you'; or the number 4 for the word 'for'. You'll be viewed as lazy and immature rather than 'kewl'. In some cases, people might skip your profile entirely and you would lose potential assignments.
DO NOT include useless information or images in your 'about me' section.
DO NOT abuse bold, italic, or capitalization. Proper use of those elements can make your bio easier to read. Abusing them achieves the opposite.
DO use line breaks. Several short paragraphs are easier to read than one long block of texts.
== POSITIVE ATTITUDE ==
Modeling is very competitive. The ratio for the number of assignments in existence and the number of models willing to do them is outrageously unbalanced. While "having the right look" is an important factor in casting, most photographers put "having the right attitude" way up in their lists.
DO NOT let your inner diva runs the show. Without an impressive portfolio to back you up, you're surely to get laughed at, or even publicly bashed in the forums.
DO introduce yourself in a humble, polite, and professional manner. Active MM members are very passionate about art. If you express that you have a positive passion about modeling, you are more likely to receive help.
DO NOT write anything about what people have told you at night clubs, shopping malls, or coffee shops.
I've always been told in stores that I am very pretty and that I should model.
Everytime I go clubbing, I get bunch of guys asking me if I was a model.
Pickup lines are just that, pickup lines. Do not mistaken them for career advice. It takes more than pretty to be a model, and even more to be successful. Photographers see beautiful people on regular basis, if you want to stand out, do it through your attitude.
== ADDRESSING NUDITY ==
It is understandable that a new model would not wish to participate in projects that involves nudity. However, too many newbies are stating their policies in very wrong ways.
DO NOT write anything, expressed or implied, that degrades people who pose nude. On Model Mayhem, there are numerous respectful models who pose nude for the sake of art.
I do not do nude. I'm not a prostitute!!! My future is far more important.
What you plan to become in the future is really nobody's business. A legitimate photographer would not force you to explain whether your decision to not do nude is based on religious views, cultural background, or some sort of risk factor. Your decision to not pose nude should be respected and not questioned.
On the other hand, you should never judge those who do pose nude. Saying or implying that you are somehow better than them is unacceptable, and not tolerated by the wolves of MM.
DO NOT address nudity policy in all caps.
I WILL NOT POSE NUDE!!! I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE ASKING ME. DO NOT ASK!
The reality is, there will always be some perverts who will ask you, regardless of the font size or capitalization of your statement. Using caps to address nudity issue, or any other issue for that matter, will only make your bio look unprofessional. Caps means screaming, and some photographer will think it's very obnoxious and ungraceful for a model to scream in her own profile. In short, caps won't scare away the perverts, but will annoy the ones you do want to work with.
DO address your policy in a polite manner. Also, it doesn't hurt to show some respect for those who do pose nude.
As a new model, I am not ready to participate in projects that involve nudity. Thank you for understanding.
While I can appreciate the artistic contribution of nudity in art, I am not accepting any nude offer at this time.
Currently, I am not considering offers to do nude, topless, or implied nude.
== Third-Person Profiles ==
People who wrote their profiles in third person perspective usually have something in common. They are very convinced that it's better than writing profiles in first person perspective. After some research, I am recommending AGAINST writing profiles in the third person perspective.
Since managers and agents are banned from Model Mayhem, self-representation is mandatory. With exception of minors, each individual should manage his or her own account, write his or her own bio, and answer his or her own messages. Given this fact, we know you wrote the bio yourself. The general attitude towards third-person profiles is negative.
Model Mayhem is a networking site with various channels to interact with other members. Eventually, you'll be answering mails and leaving comments. In those situations, it is almost impossible to keep on using the third-person perspective. Let you be yourself. Let you speak for yourself. The rest of the community wants to know you by how you represent yourself, and not by what you would say about yourself if you weren't yourself.
If you're still not convinced, and think there are valuable benefits to write in third-person perspective, allow me to assure you that the negative effects will always outweigh the positive. Below is a list of forum discussion on third person profiles:
In conclusion: Don't do it.
== Further Readings ==
A guide to "Head Shots" by TXPhotog
Know thy creatures of the MM forums.
These are the smartest creatures in the forums. They either have knowledge and experience in the modeling industry, or they have the talents to make up for the lack of. They are protective of their territories, and they often travel in packs. Occasionally, wolves would disagree with each other, and when that happens, there would be two possible outcomes. 1. They work out the differences and respect each other more. 2. An alpha male emerges after an intense debate filled with external references. The wolf that lost would go into hiding.
These are creatures who seek joy from disturbing the peace in the forums. They feed on anger and chaos. They do so by starting threads with sensitive topics. The trolls are not welcomed in any community, and that goes the same for MM. Trolls don't stay very long, as they make enemies quickly and need to be on the run in order to survive. When they do linger, they are either killed by the Rangers, or get driven out by the Wolves.
Also known as the moderators. Their job is to maintain peace in the forums. They patrol the forum to kill trolls and herd back stray bunnies. Their number is few so sometimes they rely on others to help them do their jobs.
Also known as forum junkies. Bunnies are lovable creatures who hop from one forum to the other. They post in playful, and often meaningless, threads. They post all the time, and they multiply. Bunnies are mostly harmless, but in large number, they form a powerful mob.
Also known as newbies. Fawns are vulnerable creatures because they don't know about all the dangers out there. Smart fawns go into hiding until they are bigger, stronger, and wiser. Other less fortunate fawns start stupid posts.
These creatures wander throughout MM Lands looking for trouble. They derive pleasures by preying on helpless Fawns. Sometimes they work in groups, sometimes they work alone. Like the Wolves, some Hyenas have the knowledge of the industry. But unlike the Wolves and more like the Trolls, the Hyenas are motivated only by the thrills of the hunt.
The elves are mystical and secretive creatures. They formed their own sub-community deep in the forest of Mayhem-Land. The Elves are not fond of outside visitors; at the same time, they rarely wonder away from their territory. The Elves are respected for they hold the secrets to looking more beautiful.
These are the annoying whiners in the forums. They are not as smart as the Wolves, but also not as disruptive as the Trolls. They like to beat dead horses and throw coconuts at the Rangers. They are not the most popular ones in the forums but they are not going away either. The Rangers canât do anything about them, and frankly, they don't give a banana either.
- Know the rules. Click on info. Check both FAQs and Rules.
- Read this thread: http://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=18926
- No Spamming. Don't post the same thread in multiple forums
- Know the right place to post.
- Read up before you speak.
- Participate in existing threads before creating your own.
- Learn to use the search function.
- Do NOT give legal advice just because it "makes sense" to you.
- Do NOT bump a thread until it's buried in the 2nd page.
Generally, I recommend at least 2 weeks of intensive reading before you post anything. And at least 100 posts in existing threads before attempting to start your own.
- Avoid these topics at all cost:
--- rant on pervert photographers
--- model didn't show
--- MUA's kit fees
--- When do I get paid?
- We're all tired of these topics:
--- Do I have what it takes?
--- Is this a scam?
--- film vs digital
If you found yourself being bashed in the forums. Ask yourself what you did wrong. Behind all the sarcasm, there are legitimate advice. The biggest mistake is when one rush to defend himself or herself. People who are active in the forums are expert debaters. You may think that you are smart, but these people are probably smarter than you. Survival of the fittest apply here, the post count under their name is a fairly good indicator of how long they've been around.
Treat the forums as territories. There are wolves that are very protective of their homes. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, a newbie has zero chance of survival. The smartest thing to do is humbly back down, apologize, and ask if anyone would kindly help you correct whatever you're being attacked for. The dumbest thing to do is ignore this piece of advice.
== ACRONYM LIST ==
CAM - Contact-A-Mod. This is a site feature where you can open a private conversation with the site moderators. To use this feature, click INFO and follow the link that says "contact us here".
GWC - Guy With Camera. A person who bought a camera solely for the reason to get close to models.
MUA - Makeup Artist. The person who put make up on the model.
OP - Original Post/Original Poster. This refers to first post of the thread, or the person who started the thread.
OT - Off-Topic. Refers to the off-topic forum. Or, if used in the middle of the thread, refers to a reply that has gone off the original topic.
QFT - "Quote For Truth". In forums, quoting a statement made by a previous poster to emphasize the importance of that statement.
TFP/TFCD - Time For Prints/Time For CD/Trade For Picture. Collaboration between people where the benefit is the service of each other's talents. By definition, no money is exchanged in such arrangement.
== FAQ On Forums ==
Q: What is 41? I keep seeing it everywhere.
A: The "41" bug is a forum glitch MM had experienced. When a thread receive its 40th reply, the post will go to the 2nd page. However, the 2nd page remains hidden until a 41st reply is made. The most common practice here is writing a reply that simply says "41" in order to force the 2nd page to appear. This bug repeat itself with 80th reply, 120th reply, etc. Since the bug had been fix, you'd only see this in old posts.
Q: What is "BUMP"?
A: The forums list threads by "last activity". Which means an active thread will always be on or near the top of the threads lists. On the other hand, an inactive thread gets "buried" down the list. Such threads can be revived by a reply of any kind. This act is called "bumping" and many do so by using the word "bump" itself.
Q: Why am I getting so many scam e-mails?
A: Scammers use special programs that collect e-mails from sites like Model Mayhem and target their members. The best way to avoid them is to not list your personal e-mail on your bio, and only share that information when another member contact you through the site's messaging system.
== Other Help Threads ==
Q&A on LISTS:
How to post links and images in profiles:
Some suggestion on making your first post here in the newbie forum:
Feb 05 07 07:43 pm Link
Tacoma, Washington, US
Why not give the moderators some juice to deal with members that âtear people apartâ in the forums?
Feb 05 07 07:47 pm Link
Merrimack, New Hampshire, US
Newbie: Come in like a lamb and grow to be a lion.
Feb 05 07 07:50 pm Link
Hmmmm ... Maybe this should have been posted in GENERAL. We all knwo you arnt very new lol
Feb 05 07 08:34 pm Link
Tucson, Arizona, US
don't post in the wrong forum, and do a search before you post so that you have an intelligent question.
for some reason people get overly bitchy about that
also, don't start telling people you're gonna charge them as a model if you don't have a solid enough portfolio, I guess that goes for anyone too.
Feb 05 07 08:38 pm Link
Daniel Woolfolk wrote:
Feb 05 07 08:44 pm Link
1. check out newmodels.com
2. have real expectations and be ready to work really hard for a few years/months (depending on number of shoots).
3. know that there are probably another million girls with similar, if not better, qualifications. what separate you from the rest is your attitude. a positive attitude goes a long way.
4. search the forum before posting a new thread. stay away from the forum for the first few weeks just to get a feel of who is nice and who is not.
5. have fun and enjoy. don't take anything too seriously.
Feb 05 07 08:50 pm Link
This is how NOT to start. From the great W.G. Rowland:
W.G. Rowland wrote:
Feb 11 07 11:09 pm Link
Research before you make a fool out of yourself by making the same topics.
Realize there's different topics in our forums, use it correctly.
This place is not always puppies and bunnies. Prepare for the worst.
Feb 11 07 11:15 pm Link
Harrisonburg, Virginia, US
W.G. Rowland wrote:
Oh No! I was just about to get to #7...
Feb 11 07 11:17 pm Link
Leo C wrote:
Can you cite the source? Some of these are the same tips I give out. I need to take time and elaborate them into examples.
Feb 12 07 10:31 am Link
Feb 12 07 11:20 am Link
Berkeley, California, US
Feb 12 07 11:35 am Link
You had too much time on your hands to write all that lol
Feb 12 07 01:02 pm Link
CO Model Amber wrote:
I got tired of writing the same advice over and over again.
Feb 12 07 01:05 pm Link
lol get out and shoot more!
Feb 12 07 01:07 pm Link
Huntsville, Alabama, US
My vote is that post 1 & 2 are implemented into the sign up process. Do I have a 2nd?
Feb 12 07 06:00 pm Link
YZE Photography wrote:
Feb 12 07 06:23 pm Link
Baltimore, Maryland, US
Not an acronym, but explain "41" that gets asked a lot and isn't in the FAQ. Even many longtime posters don't understand it's purpose.
Feb 12 07 06:36 pm Link
PK Brazil wrote:
Ok. Will add that to the list.
Feb 12 07 06:40 pm Link
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
The best way to make a splash on MM if you are new is knowing what threads to stay away from.
Silence is golden.
A few examples of threads to avoid if you are new...
1. Repeat threads . If the issue has been dealt with before, pull up the threads from the past, and read them . Even the new people should get this.
Do your homework!
2. Incendiary threads . These are threads that are obviously intended to get people hot . Racial issues, gender-bashing, overt political statements, religious pontificating. If you participate in these types of threads, be prepared for rudeness.
3. Mission-from-God threads . These are threads where people will not agree-to-disagree. The people that hang out in these "never-say-die" threads believe that they are on a crusade to stomp out the opposing viewpoint at all costs. If you participate in these threads, you better have a thick skin.
4. "Please know your subject matter" threads. Everyone knows what I'm talking about here. If you have an opinion, be prepared to back it up with something other than "Well, that's just my opinion". If you have 3 months as a photographer or model, and you get engaged with a photographer/model with 5 years experience, it might be a good idea to defer to that person's expertise a little. Nothing is more annoying than a new person that thinks they have it all figured out.
Feb 12 07 06:42 pm Link
Feb 13 07 04:11 pm Link
Forum survival tip -
DO NOT give out legal advice just because it "makes sense" to you.
Feb 14 07 03:11 pm Link
Also known as forum junkies. Bunnies are lovable creatures who hop from one forum to the other. They post playful, and often meaningless, posts. They post all the time, and they multiply. Bunnies are mostly harmless, but in large number, they can still easily overrun any newbie.
That is the cutest thing....ever >< :Hops:
Feb 14 07 06:38 pm Link
CO Model Amber wrote:
No. It's fine where it is.
Feb 15 07 11:46 am Link
Cleveland, Ohio, US
Feb 15 07 04:27 pm Link
bump~ Keeping this up on top
Feb 16 07 05:49 am Link
Feb 18 07 09:12 pm Link
No outing threads!
If you're having an issue with a member, contact a mod. The thread will get locked, and you'll probably get put on probation.
Feb 18 07 09:32 pm Link
When giving a critique:
Give helpful advice. If you say something sucks, tell the OP why it sucks. They can't fix it if they don't know what's wrong with it.
When receiving a critique:
Accept advice given to you. It may seem mean sometimes, but they're just trying to help you. Sometimes the truth hurts, but in the end, it'll really help you in your work.
When asking for a critique:
Don't ask "Do I have what it takes?" It's a hard question to answer, everyone has their opinion, and many members on here are tired of hearing the question. Also, when you ask for a critique, make sure you have something worthy of critiquing. A low-quality camera phone picture of your eyes isn't giving us much to work with.
Feb 19 07 08:51 pm Link
Akron, Alabama, US
Feb 20 07 04:07 pm Link
Feb 20 07 08:06 pm Link
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Fantastic idea, CLT.
Feb 20 07 10:52 pm Link
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
I think you have made some good points here
But some of animal , troll , king stuff sounds a bit silly to me
Feb 21 07 12:45 am Link
Someone should pin this -_-
Bump~ I miss you CLT
Feb 23 07 01:00 am Link
Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
All you who are not Mods, why post your dos and dont's, and what you like and don't like etc. Give up, grow up.
BTW, your complaining and barfing, oops, no pun there for models eh? in the wrong area. Is this a Newbie area.?
AND FnA right we have a right to speak up.
Speaking on behalf of newbies. Hey, somebody has to.
Feb 24 07 02:53 pm Link
M Hodgson Photography wrote:
Mike, you have the right to take or ignore any advice given here. If you don't like what you see, skip and move on. Doing what you did is what got most newbie into trouble. We are the nice people group here in MM. If you have problem with us, you're going to have a lot of problem here in MM. Just wait until you posting something dumb in the wrong thread or asking the wrong questions in the wrong time. . . I wish you luck. But you won;t be getting any sympathy from me when you get attack in the forum in the future.
Feb 25 07 12:39 am Link
If you have a question for a moderator, don't start a new thread.
Use the CAM function in the info section.
Feb 25 07 01:08 am Link
Feb 27 07 05:42 pm Link