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Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

Vance wrote:

Let's talk about tis over a back rub... :-)

I grovel really well...

"coy playful sexy look..in a masculine way of course)

.... c'mon.... more .... keep it coming .....

*relenting slightly*

Sep 06 06 08:42 pm Link

Photographer

ShadowCrafter

Posts: 1523

Pike Road, Alabama, US

Pick Me  Pick Me

Sep 06 06 08:42 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Portland, Oregon, US

Sincity sounds good wrote:
To quote the last poster with 'the mind boggles'.   I got my reply from a Fresno-based MUA who e-mailed me back after withdrawing my intention of hiring her services as a Make-Up Artist.   I withdrew because she wanted to bring her escort to the shoot for her safety; nevermind there is two models, their escorts, a hair stylist, etc...  She replies that I contradict myself when the escorts show up on set for an initial meet/greet, then remove themsleves on set when the photographer and talent are creating images.   Just remember that this is a MUA, not a photographer who have keys to the studio set, cameras, and lighting.  I know I am venting....Just tell me that something like this happened to someone else here..

OMG.  just say NO TO MADNESS!!!!

Sep 06 06 08:44 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

Sorry... no man should be seen in a Speedo, but that's just me.

Sep 06 06 08:45 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

It's interesting to note that none of the photographers I've worked with ever complained when I told them (while going off to a remote location to shoot),

"Ya know.... I could stab you and leave you there and no one would ever know...."

Sep 06 06 08:48 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

xBRYNx wrote:
As a photrapher and a model, I think that an escort is essential to the photographer/model relationship. If you are worried about an escort stealing or being distracting, bring an escort of your own to keep an eye on them.

So then they bring TWO escorts??
And then I have to bring two?
And we just keep escalating?
Bad enough I found someone yesterday who says she has to bring an off duty COP or other trained bodygaurd
And how are our escorts fighting going to keep the model from being distracted??

Sep 06 06 08:48 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

I still think it would make a fun image to shoot a studio setting with a face off with sundry thug/law enforcement/jealous boyfriends/Hells Angels/WWF escort types.

Sep 06 06 08:50 pm Link

Photographer

Curt at photoworks

Posts: 31790

Riverside, California, US

I wonder if there's any market in escort by-products .......

Sep 06 06 08:51 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Mayanlee wrote:
WHAT f*cking planet are you from???

Thwacks on the head to your parents for raising you to your disadvantage.  Nearly every sentence you wrote is rife with knee-jerk, politically "correct" trash and certainly betrays ignorance and shallowness the further it goes on.

NEVER talk about what you don't know about.  Holy sh*t.

To quote dfstudios: the mind boggles.

I am SO looking forward to meeting you in a few weeks!!!!

Sep 06 06 08:52 pm Link

Photographer

SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Sincity sounds good wrote:
To quote the last poster with 'the mind boggles'.   I got my reply from a Fresno-based MUA who e-mailed me back after withdrawing my intention of hiring her services as a Make-Up Artist.   I withdrew because she wanted to bring her escort to the shoot for her safety; nevermind there is two models, their escorts, a hair stylist, etc...  She replies that I contradict myself when the escorts show up on set for an initial meet/greet, then remove themsleves on set when the photographer and talent are creating images.   Just remember that this is a MUA, not a photographer who have keys to the studio set, cameras, and lighting.  I know I am venting....Just tell me that something like this happened to someone else here..

Well that's your own fault for letting the models have escorts, clearly the MUA needed one to protect her from them

No, seriously, the MUAs want escorts now TOO?
Holy f**k

Sep 06 06 08:54 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

Curt Burgess wrote:
I wonder if there's any market in escort by-products .......

Check with Purina....

Sep 06 06 08:55 pm Link

Model

Mayanlee

Posts: 3560

New City, New York, US

SLE Photography wrote:

I am SO looking forward to meeting you in a few weeks!!!!

smile

Sep 06 06 08:56 pm Link

Photographer

PhotoRon

Posts: 2

Los Angeles, California, US

Well it totally depends.

Personally for me, there is generally a waiting area where people can wait, should someone come along.

Most escorts from what I hear from others are generaly not an issue, but when they are - they are a big issue.

However, one needs to ask the other question.  If you were being shot for say "Elle" magazine, would you even worry about being alone, as there are plenty of others on the sets, hair, makeup, assistants, etc.

In smaller productions, where it is just the model and photographer, you need to feel comfortable.  If you do not - you should not be there, escort or not.  Why would you want to put yourself at risk.

In the end you are a professional, and need to conduct yourself as one, just as the photographer needs to.  If either feel the situation is not to thier liking, move on to another project.

On professional sets, only the people involved in the shot are on the set itself.  However, that does not mean that there are not others nearby.


Keep yourself safe and professional at all times, and the shoots always will work out.



:-)

Sep 06 06 09:01 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Iona Lynn wrote:

I call:

How can you call your self a model an experenced model at that, with self taken images in your portfolio, x's in your online handle, super over exposed images that do not even show photogaphers what your face looks like, You have been modeling since you were 12 and you still have two images from the same shoot in your portfolio, bra straps showing,

You call yourself a fine art model yet all your images are from the neck up.

You call yourself a photographer as well????

You have been a photographers assistant for 12 years and you haven't learned the basics of photography?


yea you need an escort.

Game, set, match.

Sep 06 06 09:18 pm Link

Photographer

RRCPhoto

Posts: 548

Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

SLE Photography wrote:

So then they bring TWO escorts??
And then I have to bring two?
And we just keep escalating?
Bad enough I found someone yesterday who says she has to bring an off duty COP or other trained bodygaurd
And how are our escorts fighting going to keep the model from being distracted??

I say we just give the escorts all liquor, loaded guns and save the chipper some work for another day

Sep 06 06 09:24 pm Link

Photographer

RRCPhoto

Posts: 548

Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

xBRYNx wrote:
As a photrapher and a model, I think that an escort is essential to the photographer/model relationship. If you are worried about an escort stealing or being distracting, bring an escort of your own to keep an eye on them.

Sure, my escort will take yours out for a few beers at the local pub and watch the baseball game....so where does that leave you?

Really if you don't feel confident enough, do you meet up with the photographers first? do you talk with them?  Do you do a shoot in a public place or mandate a public area as a first shoot and not a remote location?  Do you not tell anyone that you are shooting with so and so at this address for this period of time?

There's lots that both can do to insure each person's safety.  Having someone there doesn't necessarily make you safe.

...Imagines a clutzy escort while moving away from the chipper, tipping over the hot light onto the model......

"Studio Scare!  Model with 3rd degree burns, Escort runs rampant...News at 11..."

Sep 06 06 09:32 pm Link

Photographer

Stephen Melvin

Posts: 16334

Kansas City, Missouri, US

In a semi-related note:
Just what is the point of all the photographer/managers on OMP? I don't get it. "This model is being managed by such and such Sony 828-owning guy who lives in distant suburbia." Is this supposed to help people get jobs? Is it just notches in the bedpost of the aspiring GWC?

The only "managed" model I booked canceled twice.

Sep 06 06 09:32 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Sincity sounds good wrote:
To quote the last poster with 'the mind boggles'.   I got my reply from a Fresno-based MUA who e-mailed me back after withdrawing my intention of hiring her services as a Make-Up Artist.   I withdrew because she wanted to bring her escort to the shoot for her safety; nevermind there is two models, their escorts, a hair stylist, etc...  She replies that I contradict myself when the escorts show up on set for an initial meet/greet, then remove themsleves on set when the photographer and talent are creating images.   Just remember that this is a MUA, not a photographer who have keys to the studio set, cameras, and lighting.  I know I am venting....Just tell me that something like this happened to someone else here..

Serves you right for using an MUA for anything.  Nothing I've seen or heard during my time on this site has changed my opinion that MUAs are a bunch of uptight, self-important, needy psychos.  In my dictionary, MUA is an acronym for Much Undeeded Angst...

...And I have yet to meet a decent model who can't do their own makeup.

Sep 06 06 09:34 pm Link

Photographer

Meehan

Posts: 2463

Merrimack, New Hampshire, US

Mayanlee wrote:
Sorry... no man should be seen in a Speedo, but that's just me.

Don't vacation in Ogunquit, Maine then...

Sep 06 06 09:39 pm Link

Photographer

Stephen Melvin

Posts: 16334

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Mayanlee wrote:
Sorry... no man should be seen in a Speedo, but that's just me.

Meehan Photography wrote:
Don't vacation in Ogunquit, Maine then...

Or SF during the pride parade.

Sep 06 06 09:52 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

Mayanlee wrote:
It's interesting to note that none of the photographers I've worked with ever complained when I told them (while going off to a remote location to shoot),

"Ya know.... I could stab you and leave you there and no one would ever know...."

Probably because they recognize how prudent it is not to invoke the ire of one who'd make such statements.



Besides, there are far worse ways to check out than by the hand of a gorgeous woman...

Sep 06 06 09:57 pm Link

Photographer

RRCPhoto

Posts: 548

Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

Jay Bowman wrote:
Besides, there are far worse ways to check out than by the hand of a gorgeous woman...

Yeah, a chipper!

Sep 06 06 10:02 pm Link

Photographer

ShadowCrafter

Posts: 1523

Pike Road, Alabama, US

Mayanlee wrote:
Sorry... no man should be seen in a Speedo, but that's just me.

Well, I'm not going to grovel,  but I do Sulk quite well.
And of course the pools clean.
Whatever.

Sep 06 06 10:21 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Portland, Oregon, US

Stephen Melvin wrote:
In a semi-related note:
Just what is the point of all the photographer/managers on OMP? I don't get it. "This model is being managed by such and such Sony 828-owning guy who lives in distant suburbia." Is this supposed to help people get jobs? Is it just notches in the bedpost of the aspiring GWC?

The only "managed" model I booked canceled twice.

sluggos end up in the chipper as well.  but they can only be used for low end pet food.

Sep 06 06 10:27 pm Link

Photographer

Meehan

Posts: 2463

Merrimack, New Hampshire, US

'Ole Chip is clean and ready. Lemme know who needs to go...
http://images.lowes.com/general/c/chip_shread_main_bg.jpg

Sep 06 06 10:32 pm Link

Photographer

Stephen Melvin

Posts: 16334

Kansas City, Missouri, US

I may need to borrow that chipper. I'm going to Chicago at the end of the month and parking's a real bear in the windy city. It's a lot smaller than the one I own, but I'm only casting small models.

Sep 06 06 10:51 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Portland, Oregon, US

Iona Lynn wrote:

I call:

How can you call your self a model an experenced model at that, with self taken images in your portfolio, x's in your online handle, super over exposed images that do not even show photogaphers what your face looks like, You have been modeling since you were 12 and you still have two images from the same shoot in your portfolio, bra straps showing,

You call yourself a fine art model yet all your images are from the neck up.

You call yourself a photographer as well????

You have been a photographers assistant for 12 years and you haven't learned the basics of photography?


yea you need an escort.

Some folks use chippers.   Others can reduce with a series of well-directed comments.

Sep 06 06 11:07 pm Link

Photographer

John Jebbia

Posts: 28382

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Just read LarryB's profile and LOL@

Escorts: I don't care if you bring a personal assistant to help you. Bringing along somebody to assist can be very helpful. If you plan to bring an "escort" you must give me reasonable assurance your boyfriend/husband can behave himself. I have no interest in being Gina Lee'd!

Sep 06 06 11:14 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

Curt Burgess wrote:

Yippie!  Now on the surface, this sounds like a reasonable deal. Before we all queue up, we need a little more info.  Are you an approved accrediting body ... ?

of course i've been doing this for years and years. how do you think all those QWC's (Queens with Camera) got their accreditations?

oldguysrule... equal opportunity penis

Sep 06 06 11:22 pm Link

Photographer

Art Richards Creatives

Posts: 107

Flagstaff, Arizona, US

An old and very lively topic again.  Just my two bits with what has already been said.  I don't prohibit escorts on the first shoot but more often than not, "he will sit in the corner and be good" turns into a royal pain in the butt.  Especially when it is the jealous fiance, boyfriend, or hubby, not to mention the Dad who thinks his daughter shouldn't be modeling in the first place!!! 

I suggest models check out the photographer first.  Ask other models what they are like.  It isn't that hard to get a feel for if the photographer is great to work with or if he is a creep.  If you aren't comfortable shooting with a photographer alone, you probably shouldn't be shooting with them at all.

If you MUST shoot with an escort, NEVER just show up with them!!!  "Oh by the way, this is my possessive fiance, I hope you don't mind him pacing back and forth over there looking like a mass murderer while you work."  As a minimal professional courtesy, discuss the escort with the photographer in advance and if it is a deal breaker, pass up the work.  If you are scheduled with a photographer who doesn't work with a babysitter and you surprise him with yours, you won't be shooting anyway.

Oh... for what it is worth, the only thing worse than showing up with an unannounced escort is to NOT SHOW UP AT ALL.  then again, maybe not.

Sep 06 06 11:24 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

xBRYNx wrote:

How do you not understand that being alone in a room with a strange man could be scary for a woman? Jiffy Lube is a public place. A photographer can choose any number of secluded/private places to take a model to be alone, away from all those "distractions"

I'm pretty sure that there have been plenty of serial killers/rapists that have figured out that the photographer role was perfect to get girls alone. Or even the mild perverts.

If you are getting models from agencies that don't bring escorts, you may have references with them, or they are an agency that cares less about their models that they do about their money.

As a photrapher and a model, I think that an escort is essential to the photographer/model relationship. If you are worried about an escort stealing or being distracting, bring an escort of your own to keep an eye on them.

then you are welcome to indulge your uninformed ass and entertain all the escorts you please. just don't suggest i'm the problem for not agreeing with your assessment or its the chipper for you!

Sep 06 06 11:25 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

Mayanlee wrote:
It's interesting to note that none of the photographers I've worked with ever complained when I told them (while going off to a remote location to shoot),

"Ya know.... I could stab you and leave you there and no one would ever know...."

thats cause you do it oh so good!

Sep 06 06 11:35 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

Curt Burgess wrote:
I wonder if there's any market in escort by-products .......

you can almost certainly sell that to ALPO or the French

Sep 06 06 11:37 pm Link

Photographer

Webspinner

Posts: 6933

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

Hah! I shot alone with oldguysrule and James Graham, and the only escort I brought along was theda, and wouldn't you know, she was the one who kept trying to molest me. The guys were too busy dinking with their gadgets. They barely looked at us except to make clicking noises or to adjust the lighting. Theda, on the other hand, she was EVIL.

Sep 06 06 11:38 pm Link

Photographer

RRCPhoto

Posts: 548

Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

I say we have one large photoshoot.  Pick a central location.  Get all the models with escorts together.  We all pitch in together and get this baby...

http://i2.ebayimg.com/04/i/08/3e/be/ab_2.JPG

End of the problem!

Sep 06 06 11:38 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

PhotoRon wrote:
Well it totally depends.

Personally for me, there is generally a waiting area where people can wait, should someone come along.

Most escorts from what I hear from others are generaly not an issue, but when they are - they are a big issue.

However, one needs to ask the other question.  If you were being shot for say "Elle" magazine, would you even worry about being alone, as there are plenty of others on the sets, hair, makeup, assistants, etc.

In smaller productions, where it is just the model and photographer, you need to feel comfortable.  If you do not - you should not be there, escort or not.  Why would you want to put yourself at risk.

In the end you are a professional, and need to conduct yourself as one, just as the photographer needs to.  If either feel the situation is not to thier liking, move on to another project.

On professional sets, only the people involved in the shot are on the set itself.  However, that does not mean that there are not others nearby.


Keep yourself safe and professional at all times, and the shoots always will work out.



:-)

the point is?

Sep 06 06 11:39 pm Link

Photographer

RRCPhoto

Posts: 548

Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

oldguysrule wrote:
you can almost certainly sell that to ALPO or the French

I'm starting to have second thoughts about those hotdog street vendors personally....Be careful of the ones offering a really good deal....especially around a studio....

Sep 06 06 11:40 pm Link

Model

kristylynn

Posts: 121

Daytona Beach, Florida, US

i have found that if you have no ESCORT,,,,(( THE PHOTOGRAPHER IS  AFTER MORE THEN JUST PHOTOS )))AND WHEN YOU BRING AN ESCORT IT GETS IN THE WAY OF HIM  GETING THE OTHER you know ((( geting laid ))
SO PLEASE  BECAREFUL  WHO  YOU  SHOOT  WITH 

and the only ones that have a problem with this note
are the same ones I'm talking about

SLE Photography YOU HAVE MY YAHOO I.Ming

AND I TRIED TO CALL AGAIN WHY DID YOU NOT PICK UP THE PHONE,,YOU SAID TO CALL


KRISTY



KRISTYLYNN

Sep 06 06 11:41 pm Link

Photographer

Webspinner

Posts: 6933

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

oldguysrule wrote:

the point is?

The thread has gone this long and you are looking for a point? This thread became as circular and sticky as my web a long time ago. Now, it is just amusement for those of us that choose to find such things funny.

Sep 06 06 11:41 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

RRCPhoto wrote:

I'm starting to have second thoughts about those hotdog street vendors personally....Be careful of the ones offering a really good deal....especially around a studio....

extra mustard AND relish

Sep 06 06 11:46 pm Link