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Stephanie Vaneice

Posts: 63

Dallas, Texas, US

HI.

I got a call back from the Neal Hamil Agency based in Houston, Texas to come in for an open call.

Naturally, I am very excited but I also want to check them out as much as possible before driving 4 hours (i live in the Dallas area) for an open call.

They are a legit agency and just looking at the models on there website they have some faces that i recognize...Crystle Stewart Miss USA 2008, Stephanie Guerrero Miss Texas USA, and numerous models that I have seen in big name magazines.

on the down side, they have a myspace page...im not sure how many legit agencies have one, but when i googled them and there myspace page came up, it through me for a loop..

soo...if you know anything about them...good or bad, please feel free to share that info with me.

thanks!!

Sep 14 08 09:54 am Link

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Richard Tallent

Posts: 7092

Beaumont, Texas, US

They are a licensed talent agency in Texas.

They have represented some names you will recognize.

But, they are in Houston, Texas.

There is NO fashion or commercial work here to speak of.

So, they make most of their money by selling "modeling classes," etc. to aspiring models, not by commissions for models actually HIRED through them.

Ask them this: how many girls do they "represent" locally, and how much paid work (in dollars) did they cast locally in the last month.

Hint: they won't tell you.

They don't want to pay you. They want you to pay them.

Sep 14 08 11:56 am Link

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Michael Bates

Posts: 1550

Austin, Texas, US

Richard Tallent wrote:
They are a licensed talent agency in Texas.

They have represented some names you will recognize.

But, they are in Houston, Texas.

There is NO fashion or commercial work here to speak of.

So, they make most of their money by selling "modeling classes," etc. to aspiring models, not by commissions for models actually HIRED through them.

Ask them this: how many girls do they "represent" locally, and how much paid work (in dollars) did they cast locally in the last month.

Hint: they won't tell you.

They don't want to pay you. They want you to pay them.

Richard is right on target - you should check your local agencies in Dallas (there are some top notch ones there). Plus, Dallas has more work than Houston does smile

Michael

Sep 14 08 12:02 pm Link

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Stephanie Vaneice

Posts: 63

Dallas, Texas, US

thank you soo much for the information.
I did read on the webpage that they are affiliated with the mayo-hill centre for modeling...which "teaches you how to be a model" and that made me very skeptical!
thanks again for the info!

Sep 14 08 04:39 pm Link

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Richard Tallent

Posts: 7092

Beaumont, Texas, US

Yeah...

"Affliated" in this case means that one is downstairs, the other is upstairs (literally). You enter the agency, they tell you that you are BORN 2 B A MODEL but that you aren't "client-ready," but that they "recommend" said modeling school.

Or, they will tell you that you are free to go practice and shoot with photographers yourself to build up a "client-ready" portfolio. Why would they say that? Under state law, they can't require you to take their classes as a prerequisite for representation. But even being represented doesn't mean squat around here. And if you don't choose their school, guess who decides whether your portfolio is "strong enough" when you return?

Sep 14 08 05:27 pm Link

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IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

Richard Tallent wrote:
They are a licensed talent agency in Texas.

They have represented some names you will recognize.

But, they are in Houston, Texas.

There is NO fashion or commercial work here to speak of.

So, they make most of their money by selling "modeling classes," etc. to aspiring models, not by commissions for models actually HIRED through them.

Ask them this: how many girls do they "represent" locally, and how much paid work (in dollars) did they cast locally in the last month.

Hint: they won't tell you.

They don't want to pay you. They want you to pay them.

Exactly what he said.

in addition, my own thoughts.

Many of their models are actually signed Dallas models, who signed with their agency, just to be repped in that market, if there is any work.

Many of the models who actually worked in Houston moved to Dallas, because there is more work there.

Have you tried all the reputable agencies in Dallas?

Kim Dawson, Campbell, Page Parkes (also has a school, ugh), The Clutts Agency

If you've tried them, try again.  Go back with no photos, or awesome commercial photos.

You look like you have a bookable look,  though you don't show any real smiling shots.  I don't think going to a smaller, barely existant market is the answer for you.

Sep 14 08 06:07 pm Link

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John Edward

Posts: 2462

Dallas, Texas, US

I may get shot for saying this... But!

1. If you have the "Look," "They," are looking for, nobody will care whether you went to Modeling School, or not. If they have to, they will teach you on the job.

2. If you don't have the look, figure, attitude, free time to go on "Look, See's," whatever. All the schools in the world won't matter one bit.

That's just the way it is.

Sep 14 08 10:51 pm Link

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Stephanie Vaneice

Posts: 63

Dallas, Texas, US

IrisSwope wrote:
Exactly what he said.

in addition, my own thoughts.

Many of their models are actually signed Dallas models, who signed with their agency, just to be repped in that market, if there is any work.

Many of the models who actually worked in Houston moved to Dallas, because there is more work there.

Have you tried all the reputable agencies in Dallas?

Kim Dawson, Campbell, Page Parkes (also has a school, ugh), The Clutts Agency

If you've tried them, try again.  Go back with no photos, or awesome commercial photos.

You look like you have a bookable look,  though you don't show any real smiling shots.  I don't think going to a smaller, barely existant market is the answer for you.

Thanks for the GREAT advice.
I have tried Campbell and Kim Dawson, but that was before I had a real portfolio, I will try again before driving all the way to Houston.

oh yea, I just noticed that you're right, Im gonna add some smiling photos too smile

Sep 14 08 11:11 pm Link

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IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

Stephanie Vaneice wrote:

Thanks for the GREAT advice.
I have tried Campbell and Kim Dawson, but that was before I had a real portfolio, I will try again before driving all the way to Houston.

oh yea, I just noticed that you're right, Im gonna add some smiling photos too smile

Check out their new faces, that's what they want to see, if you bring photos.

Think JCPenneys, Dillards,  cute outdoor editorial in Lucky magazine, type stuff.

Sep 15 08 12:24 am Link

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ModelMayhem29

Posts: 2603

New York, New York, US

Stephanie Vaneice wrote:
on the down side, they have a myspace page...im not sure how many legit agencies have one, but when i googled them and there myspace page came up, it through me for a loop..

!

ford has a myspace page

Sep 15 08 12:26 am Link

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Michael Kountz

Posts: 2928

Albuquerque, New Mexico, US

Kamari Omerio wrote:
ford has a myspace page

They have paid advertisements appear on myspace, too.

Sep 15 08 12:28 am Link

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Codis Inc

Posts: 579

South Beach, Florida, US

Kamari Omerio wrote:

ford has a myspace page

not to mention Irene Marie, Next, MC2, Elite....

Sep 15 08 01:27 am Link

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IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

The myspace page is irrelevant.

What matters is the fact that they are a small agency, who operates a modeling school.
And there is next to no work in their market.

Sep 15 08 01:43 am Link

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Stephanie Vaneice

Posts: 63

Dallas, Texas, US

ok, i got it

Sep 16 08 09:27 am Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 21947

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Stephanie Vaneice wrote:
thank you soo much for the information.
I did read on the webpage that they are affiliated with the mayo-hill centre for modeling...which "teaches you how to be a model" and that made me very skeptical!
thanks again for the info!

It's possible this relationship is changing:

http://www.bizbuysell.com/cgi-bin/addet … b&q=396215

Sep 16 08 12:22 pm Link

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Duncan Project

Posts: 8

Atlanta, Georgia, US

John Edward wrote:
I may get shot for saying this... But!

1. If you have the "Look," "They," are looking for, nobody will care whether you went to Modeling School, or not. If they have to, they will teach you on the job.

2. If you don't have the look, figure, attitude, free time to go on "Look, See's," whatever. All the schools in the world won't matter one bit.

That's just the way it is.

The first comment I heard on this Blog that makes sense ; )

Dec 08 10 11:04 am Link

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Duncan Project

Posts: 8

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Kamari Omerio  wrote:
ford has a myspace page

Every Professional Modeling Agency has a Myspace and Twitter.

Dec 08 10 11:05 am Link

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Duncan Project

Posts: 8

Atlanta, Georgia, US

IrisSwope wrote:
The myspace page is irrelevant.

What matters is the fact that they are a small agency, who operates a modeling school.
And there is next to no work in their market.

Don't listen to these people who DON'T know what they are talking about. To have an Agent is a BLESSING. They all do the EXACT same thing. Their is no such thing as a great Agency. It's all about thier budget and what kind of Talent they work with. Thier is A B and C list Agents. But please remember that the MAGIC is NOT with the Agency. It is with YOU !

Dec 08 10 11:08 am Link

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Duncan Project

Posts: 8

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Emeritus wrote:

It's possible this relationship is changing:

http://www.bizbuysell.com/cgi-bin/addet … b&q=396215

Either you have what it takes upon an Open call Audition or you don't. Its real simple. If you DON'T have what it takes >> Get training.

No one in the real world will hire you anywhere with no experience. Agents are hungry for new talent but they have Bills just like you, so they arn't gonna waste thier Professional energy on someone who deosn;t even want to spend thier money to make thierself more valuable to the market place.

Truth be told we are living in a generation were young people make up to many excuses. Just DO IT and win !!

Dec 08 10 11:11 am Link

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Z A N Z A N

Posts: 2861

York Harbour, Guam, US

Duncan Project wrote:
Every Professional Modeling Agency has a Myspace and Twitter.

ERRR... What was the point of bumping this old thread?

BTW not every agency has a myspace or twitter. That has no effect on their legitimacy. I'd be much more concerned if they have a license or not and what type of work, if any, they get for their models.

And another thing. If you don't have what it takes, you don't have what it takes. Training for the most part is not a good investment because training can not change genetics.

Dec 08 10 12:02 pm Link

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Mirely Elizondo

Posts: 1

Houston, Texas, US

Wow I have an Interview with them saturday I'm so glad I read this

Sep 24 12 03:57 pm Link

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Britteney Walton

Posts: 1

Hearne, Texas, US

FEEL FREE TO REPLY ANYONE!
IN NEED OF IMPORTANT ADVICE:

I went to my interview with Jennifer and she gave me all this information and asked numerous questions. After that discussion, she offered me a spot in their modeling classes, but there was a catch. The classes are not free. They are a bit over $1,000, but payments can be made over time. She told me I do not have to go through with them and I can stop at any time.

I want to take the classes because she was right in saying that I did need help. I have never modeled before. Plus I don't want to waste a professionals time. My friend has a success story from them. She models for numerous people. I'm confused.
I have until next week to give a final answer. Please help!

Jan 02 13 10:34 pm Link

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K I C K H A M

Posts: 14636

Los Angeles, California, US

Britteney Walton wrote:
FEEL FREE TO REPLY ANYONE!
IN NEED OF IMPORTANT ADVICE:

I went to my interview with Jennifer and she gave me all this information and asked numerous questions. After that discussion, she offered me a spot in their modeling classes, but there was a catch. The classes are not free. They are a bit over $1,000, but payments can be made over time. She told me I do not have to go through with them and I can stop at any time.

I want to take the classes because she was right in saying that I did need help. I have never modeled before. Plus I don't want to waste a professionals time. My friend has a success story from them. She models for numerous people. I'm confused.
I have until next week to give a final answer. Please help!

When you bump an old thread, it does wonders if you actually read it first.

If you want to invest $1,000 in modeling, it's better spent on building a book.

Jan 03 13 12:26 am Link

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Sal W Hanna

Posts: 6629

Huntington Beach, California, US

I wrote an EDU article in regards to this subject. You can also search the EDU section for insights.
http://www.modelmayhem.com/education/mo … affect-you

Jan 03 13 08:41 am Link

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I M N Photography

Posts: 2342

New York, New York, US

Britteney Walton wrote:
FEEL FREE TO REPLY ANYONE!
IN NEED OF IMPORTANT ADVICE:

I went to my interview with Jennifer and she gave me all this information and asked numerous questions. After that discussion, she offered me a spot in their modeling classes, but there was a catch. The classes are not free. They are a bit over $1,000, but payments can be made over time. She told me I do not have to go through with them and I can stop at any time.

I want to take the classes because she was right in saying that I did need help. I have never modeled before. Plus I don't want to waste a professionals time. My friend has a success story from them. She models for numerous people. I'm confused.
I have until next week to give a final answer. Please help!

Anything you need to learn about modeling you will learn via photographers that do test shoots for agencies, or via in-house training by your mother agency.

Any school that is offering to "teach you" to become a model is looking at the $$$ signs on your forehead.

Sad... but true.

Jan 06 13 06:13 pm Link

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KMP

Posts: 4825

Houston, Texas, US

I've used them. They are legit. They've been around for many years. But they're right. They make money by selling you services.

I always thought of Dallas as a bigger fashion hub than Houston. What's in your area?

Jan 06 13 06:22 pm Link

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Katie Conroy

Posts: 1

Houston, Texas, US

I had an interview with them today- and while you skeptics are quite accurate- there is another side to it. If you do have "the look" they do not require you to take the classes (which is how they make money.) and even if you do the classes and graduate you are not guaranteed a contract with them still. apparently, I had the "look" they were wanting so I was offered a 3 day seminar (still requires a decently hefty fee) but- I am gaurenteed a 1 year contract. I have talked to other models who work for Neal hamil agency, and they were also given the opportunity that I was offered today...and they have been very successful and truly getting good gigs. So, if you attend orientation and they offer classes, in my opinion id decline. If they offer the seminar along with guaranteed contract- your in good shape !

Nov 22 14 10:45 pm Link

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- Phil H -

Posts: 25538

Bury Saint Edmunds, England, United Kingdom

Katie Conroy wrote:
I had an interview with them today- and while you skeptics are quite accurate- there is another side to it. If you do have "the look" they do not require you to take the classes (which is how they make money.) and even if you do the classes and graduate you are not guaranteed a contract with them still. apparently, I had the "look" they were wanting so I was offered a 3 day seminar (still requires a decently hefty fee) but- I am gaurenteed a 1 year contract. I have talked to other models who work for Neal hamil agency, and they were also given the opportunity that I was offered today...and they have been very successful and truly getting good gigs. So, if you attend orientation and they offer classes, in my opinion id decline. If they offer the seminar along with guaranteed contract- your in good shape !

At the risk of being another of the skeptics, it seems to me, to be more of the same, just different packaging. Be it classes or a seminar, bottom line is, it's still about relieving wannabe models of a hefty chunk of cash,

Granted there may be a 1 year contract on offer, but unless you actually derive enough paid gigs from them over that year, to cover the expense of the seminar, it has no more value than the paper it's printed on.

That in essence, makes the "contract" little more than a sales gimmick to get more folks to pay for their "seminars" and/or a re-branding of the classes to avoid the stigma that is so commonly associated with "agency classes".

Honestly, before you hand over any money . . . I would ask them what percentage of their contracted models, have they found work for over the last year, how much on average, those models have made and for them to provide proof of numbers they quote you.

I suspect in most instances, those models will not have covered the cost of the seminars, much less had a return on that money, from gigs lined up by this agency.

Nov 22 14 11:08 pm Link

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Tony Lawrence

Posts: 19225

Chicago, Illinois, US

Katie Conroy wrote:
I had an interview with them today- and while you skeptics are quite accurate- there is another side to it. If you do have "the look" they do not require you to take the classes (which is how they make money.) and even if you do the classes and graduate you are not guaranteed a contract with them still. apparently, I had the "look" they were wanting so I was offered a 3 day seminar (still requires a decently hefty fee) but- I am gaurenteed a 1 year contract. I have talked to other models who work for Neal hamil agency, and they were also given the opportunity that I was offered today...and they have been very successful and truly getting good gigs. So, if you attend orientation and they offer classes, in my opinion id decline. If they offer the seminar along with guaranteed contract- your in good shape !

Katie, what could you possibly learn in three days that will make a difference?   Either you have a marketable look or you don't.   Modeling isn't like acting or singing or dancing where taking classes and serious practice is needed.   Either your look gets you booked or it doesn't.   A contract with any agency is no guarantee of work.   I have never heard of Elite or FORD or DNA or any of the larger agencies  requiring models to attend a seminar they were required to pay for.   I'm not saying what you should spend your money on but I do suggest if this seminar costs big bucks then think long and hard before you part with your cash.

Nov 23 14 01:16 am Link

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LeePatrick

Posts: 81

Houston, Texas, US

wouldn't hurt to try and check them out.

Nov 25 14 07:36 pm Link