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Photographer

Shane Irwin Photography

Posts: 190

Nashville, Tennessee, US

(Before you read on, you should know I'm adding this edit, informing you that I've already told her I'm not going to do the shoot. It's far too much risk, and has no real purpose, as she's too young)

OK, there's a 16 year old hottie model who wants me to shoot some risque'  stuff of her....... barely covered. 

......and let me say right off the bat--her mother will be present with us.  Her mother is all for it, and in fact kinda came up with the idea of doing it.

Basically, she wants to pose nude, but covered in let's say...fruit.  (But it won't be fruit exactly--I'm keeping it  a secret)

Is this remotely illegal? (I'm in Nashville,TN)  I know in the least, it could be called immoral, or just damn risky, and even pointless or worse.   Her naughty bits will all be covered well.  She and her mom will be signing a model release, etc.

Should I do this, or pass on it? Any opinions? It's just TFP.

Oct 12 08 10:01 am Link

Photographer

c_d_s

Posts: 7771

Lubbock, Texas, US

In for the fireworks.

Oct 12 08 10:02 am Link

Model

Beccalette Synthetic

Posts: 7224

Sault Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada

Ew. She's probably gonna regret doing it later unless she a major whore already.

Oct 12 08 10:04 am Link

Photographer

JA Sanchez

Posts: 6830

Miami, Florida, US

No, it's not illegal. Even shooting her nude would not be illegal. If the images are sexual in nature, then it would be illegal even if she was fully clothed.

Oct 12 08 10:04 am Link

Photographer

Daniels DigitalDarkroom

Posts: 138

Jackson, Tennessee, US

being in the bible belt is a big hurt to images as you speak of.... I am in Jackson not far to the west of you and I get heated reception for similar work... parent consent or not!

Oct 12 08 10:06 am Link

Model

Elizabeth Claret

Posts: 56038

Yelm, Washington, US

I'd say just save yourself the hassle and tell the girl to come back when she's 18.

You referred to her as a 16 year old "hottie model" and the type of posing you're going to be doing doesn't sound quite so innocent.

It's probably going to be easier on you just to not do it.

Oct 12 08 10:08 am Link

Photographer

M W Photography

Posts: 350

Dallas, Texas, US

Interesting situation. Is there a purpose for the shots by either party?

Oct 12 08 10:08 am Link

Photographer

JLC Images

Posts: 11559

Phillipsburg, New Jersey, US

Shane Irwin  wrote:
OK, there's a 16 year old hottie model who wants me to shoot some risque'  stuff of her....... barely covered.

Unless you are a teenager yourself surely there is a better way to describe her that would seem more professional.  While shooting may not be illegal if you already have this attitude it might lead you somewhere bad.

Oct 12 08 10:09 am Link

Model

Bailey K

Posts: 762

London, England, United Kingdom

Worrying.

Oct 12 08 10:09 am Link

Photographer

Shane Irwin Photography

Posts: 190

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Her mom mentioned to me that she's already done some lingerie shots before. ...She's a sweet girl, and has a good brain. She's well spoken.

I think possibly her mom is trying to live this out vicariously through her hot daughter.

Oct 12 08 10:10 am Link

Photographer

Lumigraphics

Posts: 32742

Detroit, Michigan, US

Shane Irwin  wrote:
OK, there's a 16 year old hottie model who wants me to shoot some risque'  stuff of her....... barely covered. 

......and let me say right off the bat--her mother will be present with us.  Her mother is all for it, and in fact kinda came up with the idea of doing it.

Basically, she wants to pose nude, but covered in let's say...fruit.  (But it won't be fruit exactly--I'm keeping it  a secret)

Is this remotely illegal? (I'm in Nashville,TN)  I know in the least, it could be called immoral, or just damn risky, and even pointless or worse.   Her naughty bits will all be covered well.  She and her mom will be signing a model release, etc.

Should I do this, or pass on it? Any opinions? It's just TFP.

You are really pushing it. The mother and you should both know better. BTW it isn't the nudity per se, its the risque part that will get you in trouble.

Oct 12 08 10:11 am Link

Photographer

Shane Irwin Photography

Posts: 190

Nashville, Tennessee, US

JLC Images wrote:

Unless you are a teenager yourself surely there is a better way to describe her that would seem more professional.  While shooting may not be illegal if you already have this attitude it might lead you somewhere bad.

I understand your point.  I'm just loose in language sometimes. I was only trying to make a point that she's built well, beyond her years.  Trying to say she's got the figure to show off.

Oct 12 08 10:12 am Link

Photographer

Marc B Kool Photography

Posts: 86

West Hollywood, California, US

its not worth it - i say pass... if we all live in a world with rose color glasses - i would say go for it but we dont. the last thing you need is to be f*cked with over some photos...

Oct 12 08 10:12 am Link

Model

Bailey K

Posts: 762

London, England, United Kingdom

Lumigraphics wrote:

You are really pushing it. The mother and you should both know better. BTW it isn't the nudity per se, its the risque part that will get you in trouble.

Agreed.
If you want to get yourself in trouble go for it.
Being on the sex offenders register won't be fun!

Oct 12 08 10:12 am Link

Model

Sirensong

Posts: 2173

Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom

Its not illegal no.
But calling her a "hottie" and saying the shots are going to be "risque" is very very probably a good way to get you into a WORLD of shit

Oct 12 08 10:13 am Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24320

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

Shane Irwin  wrote:
OK, there's a 16 year old hottie model who wants me to shoot some risque'  stuff of her....... barely covered.

i dont think taking her photograph should be your biggest concern....

Oct 12 08 10:14 am Link

Photographer

JLC Images

Posts: 11559

Phillipsburg, New Jersey, US

Shane Irwin  wrote:
16 year old hottie model

Basically, she wants to pose nude, but covered in let's say...fruit.  (But it won't be fruit exactly--I'm keeping it  a secret)

Her naughty bits will all be covered well. 

She's no virgin I tell ya.

she's built well, beyond her years.  Trying to say she's got the figure to show off.

Please stop now

Oct 12 08 10:14 am Link

Model

Bailey K

Posts: 762

London, England, United Kingdom

Doug Swinskey wrote:

i dont think taking her photograph shouldnt be your biggest concern....

Just a heads up that sentence doesn't make much sense tongue

Oct 12 08 10:14 am Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24320

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

Doug Swinskey wrote:
i dont think taking her photograph shouldnt be your biggest concern....

Princess Perfect wrote:
Just a heads up that sentence doesn't make much sense tongue

damn people quoting me before i have a chance to proof...

Oct 12 08 10:16 am Link

Model

Bailey K

Posts: 762

London, England, United Kingdom

Doug Swinskey wrote:

Doug Swinskey wrote:
i dont think taking her photograph shouldnt be your biggest concern....

damn people quoting me bfore i have a chance to proof...[

Hehe ^_^
Super grammar girl to the rescue wink
I bet i spelt that wrong tongue
x

Oct 12 08 10:16 am Link

Retoucher

Midas Post-production

Posts: 1258

London, England, United Kingdom

Becca Synthetic wrote:
Ew. She's probably gonna regret doing it later unless she a major whore already.

wtf!

whore? lol just cus she wants to pose nude at 16.. lol how close minded you are

Oct 12 08 10:16 am Link

Model

Elizabeth Claret

Posts: 56038

Yelm, Washington, US

Doug Swinskey wrote:
damn people quoting me bfore i have a chance to proof...

Hey man, it's cool, words are hard...

Oct 12 08 10:17 am Link

Photographer

782photo

Posts: 128

Forsyth, Montana, US

Becca Synthetic wrote:
Ew. She's probably gonna regret doing it later unless she a major whore already.

and how does her wanting to do this make her a whore? because she wants to get naked, or because shes young? And how would this statement apply to you, considering you are both a) young and b) have nude work in your port?

Oct 12 08 10:17 am Link

Model

Bailey K

Posts: 762

London, England, United Kingdom

TheEighthSin wrote:
wtf!

whore? lol just cus she wants to pose nude at 16.. lol how close minded you are

I doubt it will be a pretty high fashion nude type image.
More like trashy
x
**EDIT** i don't mean it makes her  a whore to do it...I just don't like the idea xox

Oct 12 08 10:18 am Link

Model

Elizabeth Claret

Posts: 56038

Yelm, Washington, US

Princess Perfect wrote:

I doubt it will be a pretty high fashion nude type image.
More like trashy
x

That still doesn't make her a whore.

Now, if you were to have a photograph of her being gangbanged by six dudes....

That could make her a whore.

Oct 12 08 10:18 am Link

Photographer

Why Dangle

Posts: 2791

Manchester, England, United Kingdom

The expression "can of worms" springs to mind.

Rather you than me mate , but there you go.

Glad to see you are taking the pro approach with this ' hottie '.

Oct 12 08 10:19 am Link

Model

Bailey K

Posts: 762

London, England, United Kingdom

Elizabeth Claret wrote:

That still doesn't make her a whore.

Now, if you were to have a photograph of her being gangbanged by six dudes....

That could make her a whore.

I never said it makes her a whore.

I think its just pretty sad that this photographer thinks its a decent idea!

Oct 12 08 10:19 am Link

Photographer

JLC Images

Posts: 11559

Phillipsburg, New Jersey, US

Elizabeth Claret wrote:

That still doesn't make her a whore.

Now, if you were to have a photograph of her being gangbanged by six dudes....

That could make her a whore.

or the most popular girl ever

Oct 12 08 10:19 am Link

Model

Asha E

Posts: 1797

Hillside, New Jersey, US

JLC Images wrote:
Unless you are a teenager yourself surely there is a better way to describe her that would seem more professional.  While shooting may not be illegal if you already have this attitude it might lead you somewhere bad.

I agree completely and besides the whole situation sounds a bit weird, why would the mother come up with the idea for her daughter to pose nude/risky and shes only 16? Its best not to get involved.

I'm 16 and this whole thing doesn't even seem right to me! Also question how is it that you know she not a virgin by far as you said? Idk situation is best to be avoided.

Oct 12 08 10:21 am Link

Model

Bailey K

Posts: 762

London, England, United Kingdom

Sahani Blue wrote:

I agree completely and besides the whole situation sounds a bit weird, why would the mother come up with the idea for her daughter to pose nude/risky and shes only 16? Its best not to get involved.

Most probably to say after the shoot has finished that its illegal and try for an out of court settlement.

Oct 12 08 10:22 am Link

Photographer

Bringing out your best

Posts: 5

Elmwood Park, Illinois, US

I don't understand what could be exciting to photograph some 16 year old in the nude but making sure the results in the camera are ones of the kid being covered in selected areas.

Althought the mother is all for it, this just adds to the validation that just because you have a kid, doesn't mean you know what's right or wrong. Some pieces of crap biological mother and fathers have sold their child for drugs.

Oct 12 08 10:23 am Link

Photographer

rp_photo

Posts: 42522

Houston, Texas, US

I would suggest practicing something less dangerous first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzsskE5ObA

(Ironic that the OP has the Crocodile Hunter's last name)

Oct 12 08 10:25 am Link

Photographer

GW Burns

Posts: 563

Sarasota, Florida, US

Shane Irwin  wrote:
OK, there's a 16 year old hottie model who wants me to shoot some risque'  stuff of her....... barely covered. 

......and let me say right off the bat--her mother will be present with us.  Her mother is all for it, and in fact kinda came up with the idea of doing it.

Basically, she wants to pose nude, but covered in let's say...fruit.  (But it won't be fruit exactly--I'm keeping it  a secret)

Is this remotely illegal? (I'm in Nashville,TN)  I know in the least, it could be called immoral, or just damn risky, and even pointless or worse.   Her naughty bits will all be covered well.  She and her mom will be signing a model release, etc.



Should I do this, or pass on it? Any opinions? It's just TFP.

Ask yourself is this girl worth going to jail for?  Ever watch nightline and heard of a sting operation just looking for people gullible enough to take the bait?  There are millions of girls over 18 that one should never have to shoot anyone "risque" under 18.  If you have to ask people if it is ok then you probably already know the answer.

Oct 12 08 10:26 am Link

Model

x Gina x

Posts: 67

London, England, United Kingdom

JLC Images wrote:

Please stop now

I totally agree :S
The way your speaking about her really wories me...

Oct 12 08 10:27 am Link

Model

Asha E

Posts: 1797

Hillside, New Jersey, US

Princess Perfect wrote:
Most probably to say after the shoot has finished that its illegal and try for an out of court settlement.

Yup,

(sees it now)

Mom and model walk out the door with pics, turn around and yells "Gotcha b*&ch!" And then proceed to run off to their cars.

Oct 12 08 10:27 am Link

Photographer

Merlinpix

Posts: 7101

Farmingdale, New York, US

Sounds  too sketchy to me. Mom has  some  issues.
MY  least favorite  thing to  say:  " Good morning Your  Honor".

Oct 12 08 10:28 am Link

Photographer

Photons 2 Pixels Images

Posts: 16997

Berwick, Pennsylvania, US

It's the whole "Miley Cyrus" deal. That opened up a can of worms for the younger crowd. Now they all want to do it.

I have a 17 year old keep asking me for the same thing. I keep putting her off. When she's 18, I'll consider it, but will probably still put her off.

Keep in mind that while it isn't necessarily illegal to do this, you have to be careful of HOW you present the image. IF you do this, and I sincerely hope you pass on it, make damn sure it is clearly artistic in nature and can't be mistaken for anything else.

Oct 12 08 10:28 am Link

Photographer

JLC Images

Posts: 11559

Phillipsburg, New Jersey, US

Photons 2 Pixels Images wrote:
It's the whole "Miley Cyrus" deal. That opened up a can of worms for the younger crowd. Now they all want to do it.

I have a 17 year old keep asking me for the same thing. I keep putting her off. When she's 18, I'll consider it, but will probably still put her off.

Keep in mind that while it isn't necessarily illegal to do this, you have to be careful of HOW you present the image. IF you do this, and I sincerely hope you pass on it, make damn sure it is clearly artistic in nature and can't be mistaken for anything else.

The problem with images like this is intent.  While the OP may be completely harmless if he was to be questioned and used the terminology he used in this thread he would be in a heap of trouble.

Oct 12 08 10:30 am Link

Photographer

rp_photo

Posts: 42522

Houston, Texas, US

SouthFLpix wrote:
No, it's not illegal. Even shooting her nude would not be illegal. If the images are sexual in nature, then it would be illegal even if she was fully clothed.

Walking into a crosswalk in front of a speeding truck is legal too, and less risky than this.

Oct 12 08 10:31 am Link

Photographer

Visions by Dan

Posts: 928

Bullard, Texas, US

A few questions come to mind...

How old is the photographer?
What is the age of consent in Tennessee?
How does the photographer know she is not a virgin and is that something we really need to know?


Actually I think this thread might just go down as the TROLL of the DAY winner.

Oct 12 08 10:31 am Link