How do you guys feel about models with pay sites? I was just in an interesting conversation and I wanted some opinions...
Mar 31 06 08:11 pm Link
Calabasas, California, US
Virtual titty bars. Without the bad perfume.
Mar 31 06 08:14 pm Link
LOL... Keep 'em coming
Mar 31 06 08:16 pm Link
To me not a good idea it just depends on the kind of modeling that you want to do.
Brooklyn, New York, US
i cant figure out how in the world they make money?
even if they are nude, i mean you can find so much porn and nudity for free on the internet, (not that i know how though)
who in the world would pay to see any model, with the exception of maybe some top actresses, adult starlets, super models, etc?
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
With your body type you should be successful.
Mar 31 06 08:26 pm Link
Do you mean pay as in sets of pictures or videos for members only? There's a ton of non-nude and nude models out there. And there seems to be an agency that handles some of them together. From what I've seen out there, I think most of them suffer from very mediocre photography and the do the same stuff over and over and over (infinity). For what they charge, they should kick up the standards. Some post a 5-10 minute video with no pro lighting.. just dancing or teasing in front of the camera in their living room and ask $20 for it. And $20 per set of images that aren't retouched at all or artistically shot in any way. Gimme a break.. no thanks!
I think the exception would be the sites like www.newnudemag.com or www.hegre-art.com. Which are model sites with tons of models that's updated constantly and there's quality work in there.
Mar 31 06 08:47 pm Link
Alcoa, Tennessee, US
Models with paid sites often have chat nights, and some personal contact through emails. For some members this is enough, and they will pay monthly fees.
Mar 31 06 08:52 pm Link
The models I know of that make the majority of their money from their paysite are fetish models. They make money by creating a cult following for themselves. Repeat customers and dedicated fans is all they need.
Mar 31 06 08:53 pm Link
I postulated on this in my WHY ARE YOU MODELING? blog on my myspace page
IMO paysites are great avenues for certain types of models. I mean if you aren't 5'10 and stick thin and signed to an agency, if you aren't getting an influx of commercial work to live upon, then I see nothing wrong with you using a paysite to capatilize on your image. It's smart business IMO. Brooke Burke has a paysite. M. Ford has a pay site. Bobbi Billard has a pay site. Francine Dee, Masiumi Max, and countless others make GREAT money from pay sites. And these are all working models that get respect and love in their respective fields of modeling.
I doubt you'll ever see Tyra with a pay site, but shit Tyra won't ever be doing TFP either. A paysite is a way that a model can actually exert some financial control over her image. She can do nude, non-nude, topless, fetish, whatever is her comfort level and with proper marketing and promotion make a monthly income that is more than the average commercial model makes waiting around for the right gig to come along.
Mar 31 06 09:00 pm Link
I was actually not considering it but it was just up for discussion. I do realize alot of reputable models have pay sites and I think its smarter to form opinions case by case because there are a few (Brooke Burke, Melyssa Ford for examples) that are sexy, yet high quality, classy, and non-nude and I think add to all of the other things that they are doing. Other than that, most are virtual titty bars, I would agree.
Mar 31 06 09:06 pm Link
Since when did titty bars get such a bad rap? Truth be told, ALL glamour modeling caters to the titty bar crowd. You won't find a bunch of artists signing up to Brooke Burke's website to marvel at the lighting and composition of the images.
Mar 31 06 09:09 pm Link
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
The entrepreneurial spirit is alive and thriving on the internet.
If somebody makes money, and no one gets hurt, what's the harm?
I have shot content for a number of models. I get paid, they get paid and the wheels of commerce grind on.
The trick is remembering that NOT everybody will make money. I have seen both models and photographers touting pay sites, whose work I would not look at for free.
To each their own.
Mar 31 06 09:11 pm Link
Hey I didn't say there was anything WRONG with titty bars...
but do live in Atlanta (land of the Strip Club) and there is a BIG difference between Magic City and Cheetah... just as an example... anyone that lives here/or have visited any of these places understands
Mar 31 06 09:23 pm Link
I lived in GA for 7 years. Went to school at ASU and worked at the Galleria Mall as a bartendar in a restaraunt. Shoot I spent my first time in a strip club in Magic City.
I'm not saying you said there was anything wrong, but there is a general tone of disdain for the titty bar or anything sexual around these parts. Also If you work at Cheetah or Magic City or The Foxy Lady, your occupation is stripper/ dancer. 6 on one side a half dozen on another. Only difference is clientel and earnings.
But just so you know If my posts sounds like I'm attacking you that's not the case, I'm just being matter of fact, and I know that can come across brash in text. I'm just too lazy to soften the tone a bit lol.
Mar 31 06 09:29 pm Link
I was actually agreeing with you. I do think that MOST pay sites are virtual titty bars, I do think that titty bars are OK. I also know that living in Atlanta, Nashville, Detroit, and Pittsburgh in the past 6 years has taught me that each bar is different, as the rules are different in each city... but back to the point, just collecting different views from different individuals. Interesting that I would get your response, I see you shoot Amber Fox so you are definetly informed on this topic.
Apr 01 06 01:43 am Link
Ransom J wrote:
Apr 01 06 01:45 am Link
Cristal Steverson wrote:
Well i try not to respond to thread that i can't speak intelligently on. You're familiar with Amber through Eyecandy? I know you've worked with them before and they used to run her site.
Apr 01 06 02:06 am Link
Ive shot with EC once. I have never met AFox but my brother is a fan.
Apr 01 06 02:10 am Link
Cristal Steverson wrote:
Oh ok. I wasn't implying you've worked with them a lot. Just that ya'll had shot together since there was a connection between all three.
Salinas, California, US
I have some questions about some of these model sites..
1) a lot of them don't look 18. If they're not, isn't there some sort of legal issue there? It seems they're really playing up their young looks to play to "that" audience.
2) where the hell are all these girl's parents? photo shoots, web cam videos in their bedrooms. Rooms that look like they still live at home. Daddy may have kept her off "the pole" but he certainly didn't keep her off the net!
Apr 01 06 11:14 am Link
Thats a whole 'notha can of worms
Apr 01 06 11:20 am Link
Patrick Shipstad wrote:
What about the PreTeen paysite ones how the hell this people get away with that Ive seen little 8 yr old girls and boys playing with each other naked!All I'm saying sick parents...And then they dont called it child molestation but art of the childs body.So they are legal. I'm Like WTF
Apr 01 06 11:28 am Link
Yikes.. haven't seen that stuff. But at that age, there is NO grey area there. That's just wrong and illegal. If anyone is going to a pre-teen pay site.. you're setting yourself up for a sting operation. Don't be suprised when the feds come knockin' at your door..sickos!
Apr 01 06 11:55 am Link
Models with pay-sites are in my opinion, potential customers of mine.
I like them A LOT.
Apr 01 06 07:39 pm Link
Patrick Shipstad wrote:
You havent seen those they are call lolitas or some shit like that they are from 5 to ten yrs old the most is just sick and perverted and then it says that they are under the law.
Apr 01 06 07:43 pm Link
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
there are very few girls who have the body to pull off a paysite - i admire the ones who have enough entrepreneurial spirit and self-confidence to put one together. There are many extremely successful fine art erotic websites that do not degrade women and only pay homage to female beauty. And since a well shaped and beautiful woman is a rarity and a gift - God Speed to the ones who do it. (coming from a woman)
Apr 01 06 07:49 pm Link
Lexington, Kentucky, US
Patrick Shipstad wrote:
I have seen sites..that fit into the GENRE you describe..or the APPEARNCE of..but you look at the electrical outlets that appear..and they are not USA 110 they are European 220
Apr 01 06 08:17 pm Link
Berkeley, California, US
I would agree that it all depends on what the model is looking for. If she can be successful with a pay site then more power to her. I think that models like Masuimi or Julie Strain are good examples of what you can do with a pay site. It isn't for everyone... but I think that they can be cool when done right.
Apr 01 06 08:32 pm Link
Anaheim, California, US
Paysites are great, I am involved with 3 of them currently. The more amatuer, girl next door styled sites with young and fresh looking girls make ALOT more than the fashion and glamour sites. I am doing a little of both with mine to draw both the amatuer and the glamour fans. They can be excellent money makers for the right models with the right webmasters and affiliate programs.
Apr 02 06 04:47 am Link
Cristal Steverson wrote:
I think they're smart to diversify where they get their money. Not EVERY model is going to be the "TOP" model and are going to really make it. So they might as well capitalize on thier own abilities.
What does it matter what type of modeling he/she wants to do? Fact is not all pay sites are about nude and fucking everyone. People need to pull their heads out and realize that there are more than one way to skin a cat. Though I don't know why anyone would want to skin a cat but OK.
I'll ask the over 15,000 members to my sites next time I get a chance and let you know. I certainly hope that you aren't giving this advice to models thinking about it.
What does this have to really do with the topic at hand. Everyone KNOWS that these sites you speak of are illegal. And has nothing to do with sites featuring girls of the age of the majority.
So far one of the most intelligent posts to this topic so far.
And you know this how? What kind of body does it take to pull off a paysite let alone a successful one? Just like modeling there is a place for EVERYONE. And it's all about MARKETING.
Apr 02 06 05:16 am Link
New York, New York, US
Well Ma'am I don't have a perfect body but the folks that dig me like my style my humor and my angst so as a pervious posted stated there is a market for eveyone and anything.
Apr 02 06 05:31 am Link
Houston, Alaska, US
Ding! I came to the wrong forum again
Apr 02 06 05:57 am Link
Osage Beach, Missouri, US
to me models with paysites arent a bad thing. I mean more power to the women that want to do it. Personally not my thing. there are photographers that have paysites out there as well, so its not just a model's thing anymore.
Apr 02 06 12:41 pm Link
Los Angeles, California, US
I think models with pay sites are a great thing. I think it's very realistic. Many girls want to be models, they want to walk run ways of Milan, NYC Tokyo and other places and standing 5'8 is just not going to happen. So what do they do? they get model sites and make MORE per year then what they did/do as a struggling wannabe high fashion model.
Although I'm working with one solo model site now, I refuse to do any more as the biggest problem is most girls can't see this is a business and needs to be addressed as one. They think this is something that they can do in their spare time and thats where the problem is. Also, a solo model site has to have that extra kick now. It has to have a hook.
I STRONGLY disagree with the amateur vs pro sells more arguement and I have the photos and proof of so. I worked with several girls who made pretty damn good money with pro quality photos, diddy being one of them. It's about knowing your market and staying ahead of the game. Originality never hurt anyone and that's whats lacking in the non nude world right now.
Apr 02 06 06:31 pm Link
Miami, Arizona, US
For those who do not have or are not involved with those type of sites, they are like cancer, and they are horrible. For those of us who ARE involved, they are a good thing.
So it all depends on how you see things.
I know quite a few girls who are making over $4k a month, who would have no chance to making that kind of money any other way. And actually some girls would never cut it as models because their bodies won't allow it, but yet, can make a great living 'modeling' for their sites. And as long as they are comfortable and happy doing it and NOT being forced. Where is the problem?
Now for all you fuckers and idiots, who bunch up preteen and kiddie shit with the LEGAL sites, please educate yourselves. Any site done with a girl who happens to be under 18 yrs old should be taken down. The people who run those type of things, are just fuckheads.
About the comment on making a girl "look" under 18 .. can u explain what does an "18" yr old look like? I have seen girls on the street and here on MM who are 16 yrs old and "look" 22 and twentysomethings 'looking' 15. There is no such a thing as looking younger than 18.
Just make sure the girl IS 18 yrs old !! Do not mess with girls under that!
Apr 02 06 06:50 pm Link
Only the SMART ones have sites. And it started as a photographer "thing" for the most part.
No matter how you say it 90% of these people just wont get it. Trust me I've tried.
AMEN... and most photographers can't see it as such either. They can't see passed their own outdated ideas and concepts.
And I have known plenty of people who make a great living with no photo technique or ability at all. But then it is as you said all about knowing your market.
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Apr 02 06 06:59 pm Link
Los Angeles, California, US
Haha that's sooo true. Jon is one of those guys. His photos SUCK, yet he struck it big when he got Robin aka Tiffany. if you know your market, you know exactly what can be given to which and what will sell and what won't. Back in the old days, a webmaster had to know these things, now days everyone is buying a dslr and finding a half way cute girl and wondering why the site isn't making money. You need to know how to work the game.
Apr 02 06 07:28 pm Link
The OLD days??? How far back was that? When I started in 96 all she had to do was show some tits, and post to newsgroups... LOL Wasn't much to know passed that. LOL
I think the crackdown is stupid. If the model is 18 leave em the hell alone! But this is why I rarely deal with 3rd party billing companies.
Well you and her were smart enough to realize what her chances in "real" modeling were and capitalize on other options. $1K a week isn't a bad living. Which Im guessing means the site pulls around 2k a week. Not a bad living at all. Now imagine having 10 sites doing the same thing. =o) My first foray into NN was with Brandy. That girl just blew up! And she was told numerous times that she wouldn't fit in the NN community.
Apr 02 06 07:39 pm Link