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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

This if my biggest goal at the moment. I have tried out for 4 different agencies, and I didn't get any replies.
Is it my look? My height? Measurements?
What do you guys think it is?

Dec 30 08 01:04 am Link

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IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

Your height and measurements are semi ok, not fabulous, but close to standard.
So you'd have to blame your look.

Dec 30 08 01:10 am Link

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K E S L E R

Posts: 11574

Los Angeles, California, US

Two things

1) Probably better in the critique section

2) See #1

Dec 30 08 01:12 am Link

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IrisSwope

Posts: 14857

Dallas, Texas, US

K E S L E R wrote:
2) Need pro photos.

To get signed? Nope.

Dec 30 08 01:14 am Link

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K E S L E R

Posts: 11574

Los Angeles, California, US

IrisSwope wrote:

To get signed? Nope.

Opps, mistook booking from signed.  Its late, I should be going to bed now wink

Dec 30 08 01:16 am Link

Model

Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

This probably does belong in the critique section. I'm fairly new to posting here, so forgive me.

IrisSwope wrote:
Your height and measurements are semi ok, not fabulous, but close to standard.
So you'd have to blame your look.

Would you mind telling me what's wrong with my look? I have so many people telling me I should model.

Dec 30 08 01:16 am Link

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Tropic Light

Posts: 7595

Kailua, Hawaii, US

I think you have great potential.  More & better pics and give it some time.  The holidays is a terrible time to get anything accomplished.  Associate with positive and supportive people.  Hang in there baby.

Dec 30 08 01:17 am Link

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Roxanne Yaist

Posts: 43

Champaign, Illinois, US

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:
This if my biggest goal at the moment. I have tried out for 4 different agencies, and I didn't get any replies.
Is it my look? My height? Measurements?
What do you guys think it is?

Well, from experience I know that most of the agents I am with like a minimum of 5'9 and I have noticed that a lot of them also do not like hips over 34.  I am 34 so I barely slip by.  Agents can be very picky.  What were the agencies?  Maybe you started out too big.  Sometimes you have to go local before you can get into the big leagues like ford, elite, IMG, wilhelmina, Next...etc..

Dec 30 08 01:20 am Link

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J O N A T H A N

Posts: 2149

Chicago, Illinois, US

Hair change and slim down legs and drop to 110sh
Then some good plain snap shots of the natural you hair down and hair pulled back and such.

Dec 30 08 01:23 am Link

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Kailee Noel

Posts: 30

Huntington Beach, California, US

I would have to agree with Iris. You don't ALREADY need professional photos when submitting to an agency. I didn't have professionally done photos and I was signed on-the-spot to my current agency in New York.

I would say though that sometimes your look can work against you. Depending on the agency or the locations of the agency, they only sign a certain amount of girls who look a certain way; they may only sign a hand full of girls with blonde hair and green eyes. It just depends on who they market to.

Like Tropic says, just hang in there. This time of year can really suck for trying to get signed or for trying to get work for that matter. Stay determined. When one door closes, another one will open up eventually.

Dec 30 08 01:24 am Link

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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

J O N A T H A N wrote:
Hair change and slim down legs and drop to 110sh

Then some good plain snap shots of the natural you hair down and hair pulled back and such. Then to up it a notch a few great photos for a smaller portfolio for agency shopping

I'm trying to slim down and it worries all of my friends and such. My legs are also fairly strong. I used to figure skate. I have issues sad.

Dec 30 08 01:27 am Link

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J O N A T H A N

Posts: 2149

Chicago, Illinois, US

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:

I'm trying to slim down and it worries all of my friends and such. My legs are also fairly strong. I used to figure skate. I have issues sad.

Also try sending your snaps then to agencies over seas as well may make for a fun adventure if it works out ^_^

Dec 30 08 01:29 am Link

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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

Roxanne Jewel wrote:

Well, from experience I know that most of the agents I am with like a minimum of 5'9 and I have noticed that a lot of them also do not like hips over 34.  I am 34 so I barely slip by.  Agents can be very picky.  What were the agencies?  Maybe you started out too big.  Sometimes you have to go local before you can get into the big leagues like ford, elite, IMG, wilhelmina, Next...etc..

I tried out the one in Vancouver.
Richards, Lizbell, Patti Falconer and Jett Models. Jett Models doesn't even consider height.

Dec 30 08 01:30 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

You're at the bottom end of the height scale & nearing the upper end of the age range for fashion/runway.

You're not in a great market for a lot of other things.

If you want to get signed you have to have the build & the looks AND be where the jobs are.

Dec 30 08 01:30 am Link

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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

J O N A T H A N wrote:

Also try sending your snaps then to agencies over seas as well may make for a fun adventure if it works out ^_^

WS2M. One of their scouts told me to e-mail them. I sent in snapshots to them a year ago. They replied a few months ago asking for updated snapshots. ..They take forever..

Dec 30 08 01:31 am Link

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Mo C

Posts: 240

I've been in this boat before with my own (critique) forum, so I totally feel for you and will give you a real critique and not just crap on you as you will find a lot of people do on here (everyone, btw, don't repost my quote and crap on ME, I'm just saying that a lot of people on here just shoot you down and don't give any real advice...if you really just feel like trying to kill someone's dream (or hobby, you never know) either don't post or at least attach something useful that the model can use).  That being said...
I think that you have strong features and the height, but if the photos that you have on here are any indication of what you've been sending to agencies, that's going to be your problem.  Try to find better photogs and be willing to pay a pro to build up your port.  I would also suggest that you work a little more on your expressions and maybe not have so many super make-up shots.  (BTW I hear the expressions advice all the time from awesome photogs, so I really think that's the key... smile  )
Hope that helps and good luck!  I think that you could get signed if you really want it and work for it!

Dec 30 08 01:32 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:
Jett Models doesn't even consider height.

That's because Jett, like a lot of small regional boutique agencies, makes a lot of money selling portfolios & charging you to be in their "model searches."
They say on their site that they don't represent many people but they're happy to allow everyone to apply so they can get your $.

Dec 30 08 01:34 am Link

Model

Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

Mo Cromer wrote:
I've been in this boat before with my own (critique) forum, so I totally feel for you and will give you a real critique and not just crap on you as you will find a lot of people do on here (everyone, btw, don't repost my quote and crap on ME, I'm just saying that a lot of people on here just shoot you down and don't give any real advice...if you really just feel like trying to kill someone's dream (or hobby, you never know) either don't post or at least attach something useful that the model can use).  That being said...
I think that you have strong features and the height, but if the photos that you have on here are any indication of what you've been sending to agencies, that's going to be your problem.  Try to find better photogs and be willing to pay a pro to build up your port.  I would also suggest that you work a little more on your expressions and maybe not have so many super make-up shots.  (BTW I hear the expressions advice all the time from awesome photogs, so I really think that's the key... smile  )
Hope that helps and good luck!  I think that you could get signed if you really want it and work for it!

I've sent in natural snapshots. No make-up or anything. I agree about the expressions for sure. Thank you smile

Dec 30 08 01:35 am Link

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Roxanne Yaist

Posts: 43

Champaign, Illinois, US

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:

I tried out the one in Vancouver.
Richards, Lizbell, Patti Falconer and Jett Models. Jett Models doesn't even consider height.

I am not familiar whith those personally so I cannot give you advice for that but I can tell you that agencies change their perspective on what they are looking for all the time.  You just have to keep trying.  Some of my agencies I am with I had to submit to multiple times before they would even interview me.  That is just how it is so keep trying!!  If that does not work...try other agencies.  There are all kinds.  You really have to submit to a lot of agencies.  It is kind of like college.  You do not just apply to one and hope you get in.  You apply to many and go from there!  Maybe one will like you or maybe 3, you just never know.  Do some research and look up all the agencies that you are willing to work with and start sending in your pictures smile  Good luck hun!

Dec 30 08 01:41 am Link

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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

Roxanne Jewel wrote:

I am not familiar whith those personally so I cannot give you advice for that but I can tell you that agencies change their perspective on what they are looking for all the time.  You just have to keep trying.  Some of my agencies I am with I had to submit to multiple times before they would even interview me.  That is just how it is so keep trying!!  If that does not work...try other agencies.  There are all kinds.  You really have to submit to a lot of agencies.  It is kind of like college.  You do not just apply to one and hope you get in.  You apply to many and go from there!  Maybe one will like you or maybe 3, you just never know.  Do some research and look up all the agencies that you are willing to work with and start sending in your pictures smile  Good luck hun!

Thanks for the advice smile Greatly appreciated.

Dec 30 08 01:44 am Link

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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

J O N A T H A N wrote:
Hair change and slim down legs and drop to 110sh
Then some good plain snap shots of the natural you hair down and hair pulled back and such.

What would you suggest for a hair change?

Dec 30 08 01:45 am Link

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Roxanne Yaist

Posts: 43

Champaign, Illinois, US

no prob smile

Dec 30 08 01:45 am Link

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Sam_

Posts: 1372

New York, New York, US

Ok girl, my thoughts: (for what they are worth...maybe nothing haha)

(The below advice applies if you're looking to be a fashion model)

You are at the bottom of the height range, this means that the agencies have to love your look even MORE.  It also means that you need to lose a bit of weight.  Desired stats for a fashion model are 34-24-34 and there are no shortage of girls who fit these requirements that are 2 and 3 inches taller than you are.  To have the same silhouette as the 5'10" girls when you're 5'8" you need to be even skinnier.  So that's the first thing.

Second, I agree you need a hair change.  Try checking out models.com, or browsing the girls on some top agency websites to give you ideas and find something you like.

When you've toned a bit and changed your hair, have your mom or a friend take some snapshots, you in a bikini, with a simple background.  Clear face shots, profile and full body.

But hurry, unfortunately, time is not on your side sad

Dec 30 08 02:26 am Link

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S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24375

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

36 inch hips.....should be 34...but thats not the issue...

while you are an attractive young woman..you are not striking...
you are GND....so not really agency material...

develop a commercial print port and how you can contrubute in selling a product or service....then you might get their attention..

Dec 30 08 07:36 am Link

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Joanne M

Posts: 525

London, England, United Kingdom

have to agree with the above post.

with your height you have the ability to do fashion, though you measurements may hold you back.......

Dec 30 08 07:58 am Link

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Adi L

Posts: 514

Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand

https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080624/15/4861467eec6d4_m.jpg
if you look like this right now... yup, they rejected u b/c you're not skinny enough. Although bootique agencies would take you!!!

Dec 30 08 08:16 am Link

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Janice Marie Foote

Posts: 11483

Good luck with making the changes needed and getting into an agency!

Dec 30 08 08:22 am Link

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o k u t a k e

Posts: 4660

New York, New York, US

Besides the usual slimming down a bit, one thing that may help you is improving on your poses and expressions. Spend a lot of time posing in the mirror. Having great abilities can help make up for where you fall short.

Dec 30 08 10:05 am Link

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Alisyn Carliene

Posts: 11756

San Bernardino, California, US

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:
This probably does belong in the critique section. I'm fairly new to posting here, so forgive me.


Would you mind telling me what's wrong with my look? I have so many people telling me I should model.

People tell everyone that...
whats sad is that people listen to them and think hey i am good looking and can model.
Don't model cause thats what other people expect. you have to model because you want to...
anyway.. agencies are hard to go by. It depends on the agency and what kind of look there looking for. Even though you do not need professional pictures.. it might be beneficial to do more high fashion poses or beauty shots just to show the agent what your look is really capable of.

Dec 30 08 10:11 am Link

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Viktoria

Posts: 9795

Bethpage, New York, US

its your face honey.  you don't have a fashion face, you need large, wide cheeckbones, hollow cheeks, wideset eyes (yours like mine are too close together).  you have a nice commercial look and could try smaller modeling where you live. but i wouldn't try to make a career out of it.  I've had the same problem with fashion, but i've been able to work in fashion thanks to my height, location and agressivness. 
you are still very pretty btw.

Dec 30 08 10:39 am Link

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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

Adriana Lica wrote:
https://modelmayhm-9.vo.llnwd.net/d1/photos/080624/15/4861467eec6d4_m.jpg
if you look like this right now... yup, they rejected u b/c you're not skinny enough. Although bootique agencies would take you!!!

I'm 10 pounds lighter now than what I was in that picture.

Dec 30 08 11:52 am Link

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LC Mtl

Posts: 3599

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

This site is really interesting for showing what are the facial features of a fashion model (they compare fashion models to glamour models)
http://www.femininebeauty.info/fashion- … e-features
At the end of the page you'll have links for other features a fashion model does have.

For the rest, send pictures to agencies. Normal, plain pictures of you with a natural light. Try it! If they refuse you ask if you can improve yourself ; can you change something to want them working with you or is it a categoric NO?

And just a point for the 34" hips : don't loose weight till you reach this. A lot of agency models have stats that are 35" hips. It's all a matter of proportion. You would need to tone up yes. But statistics are what they are. It's a matter of what your body looks like and if you enter certain standards. Look at the comp cards of models in the agency you want to apply. It will give you a good idea of what they are looking for.

If you do all of this, at least you will have tried! If it works, that's pretty cool for you!!!
Edit : it's not because 4 agencies don't reply that you'll never get in. Try to go to their open calls. Sometimes e-mail are not that good.

Anyways, with your height, stats and features, if it doesn't work, you could go towards commercial modelling. It's really interesting and I read that there is more money to do there. There are always options. Sometimes you'll have to give up some ideas you had but you can surely do something if you really want to.

Hope it helps!

Cheers,

Dec 30 08 11:53 am Link

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Ekaterina Joukova

Posts: 29

Maple Ridge, Ohio, US

tereyn wrote:

People tell everyone that...
whats sad is that people listen to them and think hey i am good looking and can model.
Don't model cause thats what other people expect. you have to model because you want to...
anyway.. agencies are hard to go by. It depends on the agency and what kind of look there looking for. Even though you do not need professional pictures.. it might be beneficial to do more high fashion poses or beauty shots just to show the agent what your look is really capable of.

I want to model because I love it and have a passion for it. Not because someone told me I should..
And the people who told me that I have potential and that I could get into an agency were photographers, mua's and other models. Why would a model scout see something in me?
I know I'm and inch short of the minimum height for runway, but editorial starts at 5'8. I don't understand why agencies even make the minimum 5'8 when all they really want is 5'10+.

Dec 30 08 11:57 am Link

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Leonard Gee Photography

Posts: 18096

Sacramento, California, US

Besides height, body type and looks there are many reasons models get turned down.

Big agencies do not have time to un-do bad habits. Models with natural poise, move well and new are easier work with in front of the camera than a model who's worked only with photographers who "pose" them. Natural moods and energetic personna that shows in snapshots are best.

Dec 30 08 12:20 pm Link

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_NO_NAME_

Posts: 162

Dallas, Texas, US

tereyn wrote:
I want to model because I love it and have a passion for it. Not because someone told me I should..

i love singing.  and i'm passionate about it.  that doesn't make me any good at it.

Dec 30 08 12:33 pm Link

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Viktoria

Posts: 9795

Bethpage, New York, US

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:
I want to model because I love it and have a passion for it. Not because someone told me I should..
And the people who told me that I have potential and that I could get into an agency were photographers, mua's and other models. Why would a model scout see something in me?
I know I'm and inch short of the minimum height for runway, but editorial starts at 5'8. I don't understand why agencies even make the minimum 5'8 when all they really want is 5'10+.

you've gotten a lot of answers here. you not wanting to accept them doesn't make them any less accurate.  everyone's got gifts.  make the most out of the ones you were given and cut your loses on the ones you weren't.

Dec 30 08 12:48 pm Link

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Digitoxin

Posts: 13454

Houston, Texas, US

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:
Would you mind telling me what's wrong with my look? I have so many people telling me I should model.

There are a LOT of people who look at a pretty girl and say "honey, you should model."

Unless the people saying that are also:

1) Agency bookers/owners
2) ad execs
3) Agency quality (and agency connected) photographers

then they don't know shit.

If you want to find out if you are agency material, do some research and WALK INTO about 10 agencies during their open call. 

If you don't get accepted, wait 3 months and do it again (adding some new agencies).  And again. 

After a year, if you are still not signed, you have your answer.

Dec 30 08 01:24 pm Link

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Megan G

Posts: 2007

Parker, Colorado, US

I think you have a good look.  You are a little short for runway.  Maybe try changing up your hair, its very lifestyle/commercial I think.  I think agencies look for models who have a look that is chameleon-like (if that makes sense).  If a model has the ability to change her looks relatively easily, then they will get booked for more jobs.  Maybee?

Dec 30 08 01:31 pm Link

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Digitoxin

Posts: 13454

Houston, Texas, US

Here is your quote:

Ekaterina Joukova wrote:
I want to model because I love it and have a passion for it. Not because someone told me I should..
And the people who told me that I have potential and that I could get into an agency were photographers, mua's and other models. Why would a model scout see something in me?
I know I'm and inch short of the minimum height for runway, but editorial starts at 5'8. I don't understand why agencies even make the minimum 5'8 when all they really want is 5'10+.

Now, here is mine thanks to cut and paste.... do you see how silly this sounds now.......


I want to pro football quarterback because I love it and have a passion for it. Not because someone told me I should..
And the people who told me that I have potential and that I could get into pro football were journalists, athletic trainers, and other athletes (none of them pro) . Why would a football scout see something in me?
I know I'm and inch short of the minimum height for being a pro football quarterback , but a few players have played at 5'8. I don't understand why teams even make the minimum 5'8 when all they really want is 5'10+.

Dec 30 08 01:32 pm Link

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Escalante

Posts: 5367

Chicago, Illinois, US

Digitoxin wrote:
Here is your quote:


Now, here is mine thanks to cut and paste.... do you see how silly this sounds now.......


I want to pro football quarterback because I love it and have a passion for it. Not because someone told me I should..
And the people who told me that I have potential and that I could get into pro football were journalists, athletic trainers, and other athletes (none of them pro) . Why would a football scout see something in me?
I know I'm and inch short of the minimum height for being a pro football quarterback , but a few players have played at 5'8. I don't understand why teams even make the minimum 5'8 when all they really want is 5'10+.

Thank You DIgi, But I doubt she is going to actually listen to your VERY insightful information
This is another case of ," can I be signed/a model/ supermodel/Victoria secret model/Abercrombie &fitch model,  and I do NOT CARE if you say NO i cant be cause I don't care and will do it anyway." kind of Thread. I just had one with a midget Asian Girl asking if she could be JUST a BEAUTY model.Which is not Possible.
But they dont care what the actual real honest to goodness experienced AGENCY LEVEL PROFESSIONALS have to say , They are going to do it because MISS_________ (fill in the blanks IE , Kate Moss, or some MM member ) did it and they weren't Agency Height /standards ,etc , their egos are so super inflated that they have lost any kind of reasoning and logic that they MAY have had.
They forget that they are not good looking enough nor uniquely beautiful enough for an agency to sign them or for them to even become more then a WEB WANNA BE. I call TROLL / I WANT ATTENTION on all of these type of threads.
If they were serious they wouldn't be wasting their time asking a lot more 'non agency pros' , if they have what it takes to 'make it'. 'Make it' how?
'make it' , where? 'make it' , what?
Stop the threads and GO TO A REAL LEGIT LEGAL MODELING AGENCY AND FIND OUT IF YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES. GO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MORE HARSH THEY ARE THEN ANYTHING OR ANYONE ON MM CAN BE TO YOU, You WILL HEAR THE HONEST TRUTH FROM THEM .


Attention troll .

Dec 30 08 01:45 pm Link