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Nick of Vegas

Posts: 1486

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

From CNN:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28450499/

Our local news says that they have charged the "studio" owners with 37 counts of child molestation. Do people really just drop their kids off and have a photo session done without knowing what the hell is going on?

Jan 01 09 05:48 am Link

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AcmeStudios

Posts: 4528

Sad.

Look out for the escort threads coming...

Jan 01 09 05:52 am Link

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J Welborn

Posts: 2552

Clarksville, Tennessee, US

This is a sad thing but the real problem would be if the parents actually left the kids alone . This could never have happened if they were properly supervised .

Jan 01 09 06:03 am Link

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Tom Tesarik Photography

Posts: 147

Ormond Beach, Florida, US

there are so many inaccuracy's in that article that are easily provable that it is hard to take any of it seriously, It sounds like the cops and DA are starting a witch hunt trying to make a name for them self, your typical white knights will love to see this. but I will wait till they are PROVEN guilty.

Jan 01 09 06:07 am Link

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Nick of Vegas

Posts: 1486

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

That is what I was wondering about. I pray to everything that I believe in that they don't find out that people were actually taking their kids there KNOWING what was going on.

Jan 01 09 06:07 am Link

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Nick of Vegas

Posts: 1486

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:
there are so many inaccuracy's in that article that are easily provable that it is hard to take any of it seriously, It sounds like the cops and DA are starting a witch hunt trying to make a name for them self, your typical white knights will love to see this. but I will wait till they are PROVEN guilty.

Looking at your location, I am guessing you have some first hand knowledge about these people?

Jan 01 09 06:08 am Link

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Nick of Vegas

Posts: 1486

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Jan 01 09 06:12 am Link

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Sacred Studios

Posts: 118

Marlow Heights, Maryland, US

Either way if it happened they are some sick MoFo's.

I can tell you this, if anyone ever did that to one my kids they wouldn't be going to jail!

Jan 01 09 06:17 am Link

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That Look Photography

Posts: 1581

Clearwater, Florida, US

AcmeStudios wrote:
Sad.

Look out for the escort threads coming...

Why don't they check out the studios before hand and bring an escort ?

LOL..I just had to say it..  : )

Jan 01 09 06:38 am Link

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Tom Tesarik Photography

Posts: 147

Ormond Beach, Florida, US

J Nicholas Photography wrote:
Looking at your location, I am guessing you have some first hand knowledge about these people?

this is the same guy SLE had trouble with on here a year or 2 ago on the infamous escort thread and this guy was for escorts

I have been out of state since this broke and am ready to hit the road home.

Jan 01 09 08:40 am Link

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Nick of Vegas

Posts: 1486

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Great! He was an MM member?!

Jan 01 09 08:53 am Link

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Lumigraphics

Posts: 32780

Detroit, Michigan, US

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:

this is the same guy SLE had trouble with on here a year or 2 ago on the infamous escort thread and this guy was for escorts

I have been out of state since this broke and am ready to hit the road home.

Oh no shit? Wow.

Jan 01 09 08:55 am Link

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Less Than Two

Posts: 23401

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:
this is the same guy SLE had trouble with on here a year or 2 ago on the infamous escort thread and this guy was for escorts

Okay. I remember about a year ago, there was a couple who had an MM portfolio and had in that thread, they set up a website accusing all the photographers who were in that thread against escorts of being dangerous. Essentially using their own quotes as a means of libel.
There was a lot of buzz about that.
Is this that couple? Holy shit.

???
neutral

Jan 01 09 08:59 am Link

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HerbP

Posts: 546

Winter Springs, Florida, US

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:
this is the same guy SLE had trouble with on here a year or 2 ago on the infamous escort thread and this guy was for escorts

SLE is old enough to defend himself from molestation. He should not need an escort.

Jan 01 09 09:18 am Link

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PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

I think someone just got pwned big time.

Let Google be your friend.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe … tnG=Search

It's always the ones that crusade the loudest that are the most perverted. Governors, Senators, clergy, etc.

Jan 01 09 09:23 am Link

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biwa

Posts: 2593

Pinole, California, US

PYPI FASHION wrote:
I think someone just got pwned big time.

http://www.daytonaphotography.com/scams … geinfo.htm

It's always the ones that crusade the loudest that are the most perverted. Governors, Senators, clergy, etc.

That says the daughter is dead ?

Jan 01 09 09:32 am Link

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SI Photography

Posts: 1894

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

J  Welborn wrote:
This is a sad thing but the real problem would be if the parents actually left the kids alone . This could never have happened if they were properly supervised .

Exactly!!! Alot of parents are retards. 76% of Americans they say.

Jan 01 09 09:34 am Link

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PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

biwa wrote:
That says the daughter is dead ?

That's just some random story he's talking about. The whole site is full of random shit.

Jan 01 09 09:35 am Link

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Skydancer Photos

Posts: 22084

Santa Cruz, California, US

MM made it on their list of ripoff websites. wink

Jan 01 09 09:36 am Link

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kataram studios

Posts: 1401

Boston, Massachusetts, US

is disgusting someone would do this, the parents were to trusting to leave their kids. . . this is not the good old days, its the 21st century

Jan 01 09 09:36 am Link

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biwa

Posts: 2593

Pinole, California, US

PYPI FASHION wrote:

That's just some random story he's talking about. The whole site is full of random shit.

He even links to your blog.  weirdness

Jan 01 09 09:37 am Link

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PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

LOL. The guy is a fan of my blog. Even has a few of my post linked. More traffic for me.

Jan 01 09 09:41 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:
this is the same guy SLE had trouble with on here a year or 2 ago on the infamous escort thread and this guy was for escorts

Raelyn Mouse wrote:
Okay. I remember about a year ago, there was a couple who had an MM portfolio and had in that thread, they set up a website accusing all the photographers who were in that thread against escorts of being dangerous. Essentially using their own quotes as a means of libel.
There was a lot of buzz about that.
Is this that couple? Holy shit.

???
neutral

YES!!!!!!!!!!  This is the SAME people.  Here's the deal.  Alton has been on a number of sites, along with his DAUGHTER Kristilynn, who's mentioned in the second story.

Alton always claimed Kristi was his WIFE.

In the huge escort thread he started posting from her profile & going off on me & a number of other photographers and he tracked down several of our phone numbers & called us to make death threats.

Since he lives less than 45 minutes from me, I got the cops involved.  I also noted to the cops that he was pimping Kristi out & showed them the ads where he was offering to film people having sex with her.

They were immediately thrown off MM & after similar incidents they were thrown off every other reputable site out there.  So Alton established a web site labeling me & DOZENS of other photographers as being RAPISTS.  Several of us have been pursuing legal action against him over the web site & feeding info to the cops about his efforts to involve models in prostitution.

According to the second story, Alton intro'ed his wife to people as his sister & Kristi as his daughter.  Besides offering her for prostitution he also offered her out as a dominatrix.

Well, I would guess his website full of slander & copyright violations will go down while he's in prison.

Anyone who wants a good read should start here:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … post981820

It goes on for a few dozen pages, you can see where Kristi's posts were taken over by Alton.  MANY of their posts were edited, you can see the actual words where we quoted them.

And here's the thing:  THESE PEOPLE ARE ARDENT ESCORT SUPPORTERS!!!!!!!!!

On Alton's website he has PAGES of stuff about "DANGEROUS" photographers and how models should NEVER go unescorted.

So yeah.  Remember this next time I say that photographers who insist on escorts are sometimes creeps with ulterior motives.

Jan 01 09 09:42 am Link

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PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

biwa wrote:
He even links to your blog.  weirdness

Yeah. He plucked out all my posts about photographers who got arrested. I wonder if he'll update his link if I include a blog post about him.

Jan 01 09 09:43 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Pat, Biwa, you need to edit out the links to Alton's site.  There're hardcore shots there & the Mods have locked threads with links to his site before because of the "No Links To Porn" rule.

Jan 01 09 09:44 am Link

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Chicchowmein

Posts: 14585

Palm Beach, Florida, US

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:
there are so many inaccuracy's in that article that are easily provable that it is hard to take any of it seriously, It sounds like the cops and DA are starting a witch hunt trying to make a name for them self, your typical white knights will love to see this. but I will wait till they are PROVEN guilty.

Evidence seems pretty solid to me. Would have your children photographed by these people after reading the story?

Jan 01 09 09:44 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

PYPI FASHION wrote:

Yeah. He plucked out all my posts about photographers who got arrested. I wonder if he'll update his link if I include a blog post about him.

He also links to Jenna's list of "biggest pervs on MM" to attack me & John Jebbia LOL.

Jan 01 09 09:45 am Link

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PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

SLE Photography wrote:

He also links to Jenna's list of "biggest pervs on MM" to attack me & John Jebbia LOL.

Yes. Clearly, he did not understand that being on that list is a badge of honor.

Jan 01 09 09:45 am Link

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SunArcher Photography

Posts: 7669

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Unbefuckinglievable...karma is definitely a bitch.

Man, don't even know where to start with this one. smdh

Jan 01 09 09:46 am Link

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PYPI FASHION

Posts: 36332

San Francisco, California, US

SLE Photography wrote:
Pat, Biwa, you need to edit out the links to Alton's site.  There're hardcore shots there & the Mods have locked threads with links to his site before because of the "No Links To Porn" rule.

I'll let Google do the dirty work.

Jan 01 09 09:48 am Link

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biwa

Posts: 2593

Pinole, California, US

PYPI FASHION wrote:

Yeah. He plucked out all my posts about photographers who got arrested. I wonder if he'll update his link if I include a blog post about him.

lol.

Jan 01 09 09:48 am Link

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GCobb Photography

Posts: 15898

Southaven, Mississippi, US

SLE Photography wrote:

He also links to Jenna's list of "biggest pervs on MM" to attack me & John Jebbia LOL.

I think I remember seeing the site.  The guy is a piece of work, or something else.

Jan 01 09 09:50 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Guys, seriously, please take out the links to Alton's site, Skydancer I didn't see you'd listed it too.

The mods will lock the thread & probably hide it otherwise.

Jan 01 09 09:51 am Link

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GCobb Photography

Posts: 15898

Southaven, Mississippi, US

On a similar related topic I have a friend with a now 20 year old daughter.  Her brothers found CDs and photos of her when she was 13-14 where her father was exploiting her on the internet.  He lasted about a month in prison.

$900,000+ bond on the wife...they're not BSing around.

Jan 01 09 09:58 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Greg Cobb Photography wrote:
On a similar related topic I have a friend with a now 20 year old daughter.  Her brothers found CDs and photos of her when she was 13-14 where her father was exploiting her on the internet.  He lasted about a month in prison.

$900,000+ bond on the wife...they're not BSing around.

I'm looking for the # for the Flagler Sheriff's office.
In early 2008 Alton sent me hate mail with pics from their home that included images of minor children that he claimed were his & Kristi's kids.  I'm sure the cops would like to see those.

Plus part of the reason we haven't been able to get his website taken down despite copyright violations & libel is that it's run by a small private ISP in Colorado where Alton & Kristi have a "relationship" with the owners.

If kiddie porn's going on, those people are probably helping distribute it.

Jan 01 09 10:19 am Link

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Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Portland, Oregon, US

AcmeStudios wrote:
Sad.

Look out for the escort threads coming...

Ironically I think this was one of the pro escort dudes!

Jan 01 09 10:54 am Link

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SLE Photography

Posts: 68937

Orlando, Florida, US

Patchouli Nyx wrote:

Ironically I think this was one of the pro escort dudes!

VERY much so!  I linked to The Thread a few posts up where he went off on all of us!

Jan 01 09 11:03 am Link

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Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Portland, Oregon, US

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
Ironically I think this was one of the pro escort dudes!

SLE Photography wrote:
VERY much so!  I linked to The Thread a few posts up where he went off on all of us!

there have been crazy people and crazy threads on MM but that had to have taken the cake.

It's gotta get a special "MM" award.


totally ironic now in light of this info.

Jan 01 09 11:05 am Link

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Ropes

Posts: 833

League City, Texas, US

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:
there are so many inaccuracy's in that article that are easily provable that it is hard to take any of it seriously, It sounds like the cops and DA are starting a witch hunt trying to make a name for them self, your typical white knights will love to see this. but I will wait till they are PROVEN guilty.

Mere possesion of such images is a felony.  With that alone they are guilty.

Jan 01 09 11:06 am Link

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F Stop Photography

Posts: 1711

Boynton Beach, Florida, US

SLE Photography wrote:

Tom Tesarik Photography wrote:
this is the same guy SLE had trouble with on here a year or 2 ago on the infamous escort thread and this guy was for escorts

YES!!!!!!!!!!  This is the SAME people.  Here's the deal.  Alton has been on a number of sites, along with his DAUGHTER Kristilynn, who's mentioned in the second story.

Alton always claimed Kristi was his WIFE.

In the huge escort thread he started posting from her profile & going off on me & a number of other photographers and he tracked down several of our phone numbers & called us to make death threats.

Since he lives less than 45 minutes from me, I got the cops involved.  I also noted to the cops that he was pimping Kristi out & showed them the ads where he was offering to film people having sex with her.

They were immediately thrown off MM & after similar incidents they were thrown off every other reputable site out there.  So Alton established a web site labeling me & DOZENS of other photographers as being RAPISTS.  Several of us have been pursuing legal action against him over the web site & feeding info to the cops about his efforts to involve models in prostitution.

According to the second story, Alton intro'ed his wife to people as his sister & Kristi as his daughter.  Besides offering her for prostitution he also offered her out as a dominatrix.

Well, I would guess his website full of slander & copyright violations will go down while he's in prison.

Anyone who wants a good read should start here:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … post981820

It goes on for a few dozen pages, you can see where Kristi's posts were taken over by Alton.  MANY of their posts were edited, you can see the actual words where we quoted them.

And here's the thing:  THESE PEOPLE ARE ARDENT ESCORT SUPPORTERS!!!!!!!!!

On Alton's website he has PAGES of stuff about "DANGEROUS" photographers and how models should NEVER go unescorted.

So yeah.  Remember this next time I say that photographers who insist on escorts are sometimes creeps with ulterior motives.

Everything James has mentioned in the above story is dead on correct regarding Alton & Kristy Smith from running an escort service, shooting underage hardcore porn, stalking models, extorting photographers, theft of equiptment, slandering and libelling those of us who reported on his actions in his nasty website, and on and on ad nauseum. The list of his offenses and those he's hurt whose paths he's crossed goes back more than 5 years that I am aware of, as that's when I had the misfortune of meeting them and becomming entangled in their madness.

I am so sorry that it's taken this long for this to finally come to the surface, and to all those hurt by his actions over the years. What goes around does occasionally come around. I will be most happy to give detailed info to anyone who PM's me regarding this info, and have already called the Flagler Police to assist them with the info they are requesting.

Jan 01 09 11:06 am Link