Photographer
awj photo
Posts: 104
San Diego, California, US
These words get used on Mayhem quite often...
Never found a widely accepted definition anywhere though.
Here's mine...
Playboy:Includes full nudity but no spread/open
legs or spread/open butt cheeks...
Any girl/girl pics are smiling/playful only...
Not erotic/sexual.
Absolutely no boy/girl.
Absolutely no "pink".
Absolutely no toys or penetration.
Penthouse:Includes full nudity with some spread/open
legs and spread/open butt cheeks...
Some close-ups of body parts.
Some "pink".
Girl/girl can include kissing,simulated licking
and erotic/sexual poses and expressions.
Usually not explicit though.
Boy/girl only for editorial.Not for feature
layouts and certainly not explicit.(No penises.)
No toys or penetration.
Hustler:Includes full nudity with plenty of spread/open legs
and spread/open butt cheeks.
Some close-ups of body parts.
Plenty of "pink".
Toys and actual penetration a.o.k.
Girl/girl and boy/girl will include very explicit
contact,toys,penises,penetration and ejaculation
and sometimes,urination.
By most standards,Hustler is porn.
Penthouse is erotica.
Playboy is nude glamour.
All these words/terms get used daily on Mayhem yet
have many definitions...And don't forget "Fetish".
What's your definition???
Model
Demonika Devour
Posts: 1903
Big Bear Lake, California, US
Wowzers thats a great list im saving this.
Photographer
Michael Siu
Posts: 1225
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Finally someone let the cat out of the bag. . . so to speak. 
Model
Leo Velo
Posts: 1248
Portland, Oregon, US
yay clarification!
///Leah
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Srefis
Posts: 960
Asheville, North Carolina, US
I agree with nearly all of this. Except the concept on erotica. In our term "Erotica" would be something as simple as a nipple slip or a sheer blouse. This is hard to explain to some of the models that say "Nothing erotic" yet they do full or implied nudity.
But when you get down to it one person's pornography is another's erotica, and vice-versa.
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
easier
playboy = classy
penthouse = skanks that are trying to be classy
hustler = skanks
we should treat all the models like they're classy....
but when you treat the classy models like they're skanks...you should have your ass beat...for real...
Photographer
Brian Baybo
Posts: 1417
Saint Louis, Missouri, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
easier
playboy = classy
penthouse = skanks that are trying to be classy
hustler = skanks +1
Thanks Doug
Photographer
awj photo
Posts: 104
San Diego, California, US
Ummm,
Doug,
A definition and an opinion are two
different things...
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
awj photo wrote:
Ummm,
Doug,
A definition and an opinion are two
different things... as far as i can tell, we both gave our opinion, as to what the definitions are..
Photographer
awj photo
Posts: 104
San Diego, California, US
Since this was directed to the models,
i'm wondering what their perception
of the different "styles" is.
If you mention "Penthouse style" in your
profile,(or Playboy,or Hustler)
do you agree with my definitions???
This could be valuable to hundreds of Mayhemers...
Both photographers AND models.
Model
Demonika Devour
Posts: 1903
Big Bear Lake, California, US
awj photo wrote:
Since this was directed to the models,
i'm wondering what their perception
of the different "styles" is.
If you mention "Penthouse style" in your
profile,(or Playboy,or Hustler)
do you agree with my definitions???
This could be valuable to hundreds of Mayhemers...
Both photographers AND models. I completely agree with what you wrote and will use it when talking to photographers about nude shoots now if i can just figure out fetish and bondage :S
Model
Fifi
Posts: 58134
Gainesville, Florida, US
Srefis Limited wrote:
I agree with nearly all of this. Except the concept on erotica. In our term "Erotica" would be something as simple as a nipple slip or a sheer blouse. This is hard to explain to some of the models that say "Nothing erotic" yet they do full or implied nudity.
But when you get down to it one person's pornography is another's erotica, and vice-versa. I agree with this.
and with Doug 
Photographer
PhotoRig
Posts: 371
Alameda, California, US
very plain and straight forward, excellent thread. i'd like to add another to the list, which i often read, and that is MAXIM style.
personally i don't use full nude on my site, that's just me, i do respect those that do.
i do however erotica or implied in some cases, if the model feels up to it, for the most part they do. in the near future i will be trying to do more classy shots in whichever format.
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
awj photo wrote:
Hustler is porn.
Penthouse is erotica.
Playboy is nude glamour. Having worked for all three companies and knowing most of the photographers, editors and art directors for many years, I am not sure that I can agree with such a simple description.
All three companies produce hardcore porn.
Playboy spends more money than the other two combined in porn production.
Penthouse has toned down their level of erotica in the last five years considerably.
Hustler is Hustler . . . nothing new there in years. What you expect is what you get.
What you see in all of these magazines is only a fraction of what is actually shot and the harder images are often used online in their websites.
As far as I know . . . the publisher of Playboy has slept with many more of his models than anyone at Hustler or Penthouse.
Everyone has their own definition of 'sleaze'
KM
Model
Coyote Doyenne
Posts: 196
Piéla, Gnagna, Burkina Faso
Since I have no issues with sexuality...
I think it's admirable for any model to choose Playboy, Penthouse or Hustler style.
Model
Casii Roxx
Posts: 48
Scottsdale, Arizona, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
easier
playboy = classy
penthouse = skanks that are trying to be classy
hustler = skanks
we should treat all the models like they're classy....
but when you treat the classy models like they're skanks...you should have your ass beat...for real... You should have your ass beat for judging girls who do Hustler.
You are probably ugly!
Model
Casii Roxx
Posts: 48
Scottsdale, Arizona, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Having worked for all three companies and knowing most of the photographers, editors and art directors for many years, I am not sure that I can agree with such a simple description.
All three companies produce hardcore porn.
Playboy spends more money than the other two combined in porn production.
Penthouse has toned down their level of erotica in the last five years considerably.
Hustler is Hustler . . . nothing new there in years. What you expect is what you get.
What you see in all of these magazines is only a fraction of what is actually shot and the harder images are often used online in their websites.
As far as I know . . . the publisher of Playboy has slept with many more of his models than anyone at Hustler or Penthouse.
Everyone has their own definition of 'sleaze'
KM I agree 100% !! Playboy is great , again way over airbrushed.
These girls are all the same, i have seen pink in Playboy, not spread but i have seen full on lips. Porn is porn. Sexually suggestive. When was the last time a male looked at Playboy and says " WOW! What a great looking Chase lounge she is on"
It is softcore PORN Penthous is medium some hard, Hustler all Hard porn Its all porn.
Photographer
Merlinpix
Posts: 7118
Farmingdale, New York, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
easier
playboy = classy
penthouse = skanks that are trying to be classy
hustler = skanks
we should treat all the models like they're classy....
but when you treat the classy models like they're skanks...you should have your ass beat...for real... Ummm..I'm shooting for a payday, and so are they. I guess I'm not shallow enough to call someone I'm working with a skank based on their posing.
Oh I don't get beat easily either..
Model
Demonika Devour
Posts: 1903
Big Bear Lake, California, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
easier
playboy = classy
penthouse = skanks that are trying to be classy
hustler = skanks
we should treat all the models like they're classy....
but when you treat the classy models like they're skanks...you should have your ass beat...for real... Like 4weeks ago i was gunna try to model for hustler so that kinda offends me just a little
Model
Casii Roxx
Posts: 48
Scottsdale, Arizona, US
Demonika Devour wrote:
Like 4weeks ago i was gunna try to model for hustler so that kinda offends me just a little It should offend you a lot he called you a SKANK
Model
Nikki Magnusson
Posts: 6844
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Demonika Devour wrote:
I completely agree with what you wrote and will use it when talking to photographers about nude shoots now if i can just figure out fetish and bondage :S yup..and i'd like to hear peoples definition of fetish and bondage..i know i have my own..
.
Model
Nikki Magnusson
Posts: 6844
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Having worked for all three companies and knowing most of the photographers, editors and art directors for many years, I am not sure that I can agree with such a simple description.
All three companies produce hardcore porn.
Playboy spends more money than the other two combined in porn production.
Penthouse has toned down their level of erotica in the last five years considerably.
Hustler is Hustler . . . nothing new there in years. What you expect is what you get.
What you see in all of these magazines is only a fraction of what is actually shot and the harder images are often used online in their websites.
As far as I know . . . the publisher of Playboy has slept with many more of his models than anyone at Hustler or Penthouse.
Everyone has their own definition of 'sleaze'
KM so true..
Model
DDDelete
Posts: 263
Beverly Hills, California, US
Ya know what isnt classy? Guys who call girls "skanks".
Its also generally a sign they are misogynistic and sexually intimidated by women.
Model
Casii Roxx
Posts: 48
Scottsdale, Arizona, US
Doug sticks his foot on mouth according to how he feels about women , he has two girls that I know for a fact that have spread their legs in front of Cameras doing hard porn in his port. There is one who has performed Boy/girl as well.
So according to Doug himself he admits he shoots Skanks. Take a look at Red Chair! - I love Red Chair.
Photographer
Bjorn Lumiere
Posts: 816
Asheville, North Carolina, US
Bob Guccione was Penthouse. It exists sadly now in name only.
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Having worked for all three companies... How *dare* you interject facts drawn from direct experience?! This is MODEL MAYHEM - you're not supposed to do that.
I demand you make shit up from now on.
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
Casii Roxx wrote:
Doug sticks his foot on mouth according to how he feels about women , he has two girls that I know for a fact that have spread their legs in front of Cameras doing hard porn in his port. There is one who has performed Boy/girl as well. What?
As far as I can tell, his portfolio has 12 images and they're all of the same woman.
This will NOT end well.
Model
Casii Roxx
Posts: 48
Scottsdale, Arizona, US
Glad to see you are paying attention now Google things up!
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Casii Roxx wrote:
Doug sticks his foot on mouth according to how he feels about women , he has two girls that I know for a fact that have spread their legs in front of Cameras doing hard porn in his port. There is one who has performed Boy/girl as well.
So according to Doug himself he admits he shoots Skanks. Take a look at Red Chair! - I love Red Chair. really? who does porn?...i know a few of them have done spreads..but spreads does not equal skank...met art does spread, some are very beautiful...
you are misrepresenting my position...
hustler is disgusting...ill hope most aim higher...
EDIT: and yes, i have shot some models that i thought were skanky...but i dont always get to pick the models.
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Sophistocles wrote:
How *dare* you interject facts drawn from direct experience?! This is MODEL MAYHEM - you're not supposed to do that.
I demand you make shit up from now on. I want to apologize to everyone for my mistake in thinking that somebody might actually want to hear from me on this.
From now on, I will stick to the facts . . . like all of the nude models you see in the magazines are either graduates of Harvard or on parole from the women's prison in Texas.
KM
Model
DDDelete
Posts: 263
Beverly Hills, California, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I want to apologize to everyone for my mistake in thinking that somebody might actually want to hear from me on this.
From now on, I will stick to the facts . . . like all of the nude models you see in the magazines are either graduates of Harvard or on parole from the women's prison in Texas.
KM LOL. Which do I get to be? 
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
From now on, I will stick to the facts . . . like all of the nude models you see in the magazines are either graduates of Harvard... Thank you, that's better.
Though I should add that when I was at Harvard, none of them would date me, so I'm not so sure I believe you.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Frankie wrote:
Ya know what isnt classy? Guys who call girls "skanks".
Its also generally a sign they are misogynistic and sexually intimidated by women. yes, i am classless and intimidated by women...(doug rolls eyes)..so are you going to tell me that you have never seen a skank? or whatever word you might use?
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 9421
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I know for a fact that Frankie was NOT recruited from either of those two institutions.
She is one of those odd ones that got her start in the Astronaut program at NASA and dropped out because her pressure suit wasn't stylish enough and only came in one color.
KM
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 30129
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
Having worked for all three companies and knowing most of the photographers, editors and art directors for many years, I am not sure that I can agree with such a simple description.
All three companies produce hardcore porn.
Playboy spends more money than the other two combined in porn production.
Penthouse has toned down their level of erotica in the last five years considerably.
Hustler is Hustler . . . nothing new there in years. What you expect is what you get.
What you see in all of these magazines is only a fraction of what is actually shot and the harder images are often used online in their websites.
As far as I know . . . the publisher of Playboy has slept with many more of his models than anyone at Hustler or Penthouse.
Everyone has their own definition of 'sleaze'
KM from someone who knows what he is talking about
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2841
Los Angeles, California, US
I see a lot of spread legs, just no spread lips in Playboy. When some one mentions Playboy, I think current issues, not 20 or 30 years ago. So I think it is just better to not use confusing names. I can't agree with these definitions. To limited to experience and opinion, rather than facts. Just ask the model.
Model
DDDelete
Posts: 263
Beverly Hills, California, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
yes, i am classless and intimidated by women...(doug rolls eyes)..so are you going to tell me that you have never seen a skank? or whatever word you might use? Very rarely would I see fit to call someone a skank. I certainly wouldnt generalize a whole group of people regardless of their personality, morals, lifestyle or upbringing as skanks because of their profession or association with a certain magazine.
Model
DDDelete
Posts: 263
Beverly Hills, California, US
Ken Marcus Studios wrote:
I know for a fact that Frankie was NOT recruited from either of those two institutions.
She is one of those odd ones that got her start in the Astronaut program at NASA and dropped out because her pressure suit wasn't stylish enough and only came in one color.
KM Oh Ken, if only they would have made a pink spacesuit, my whole life could have been different...
Photographer
awj photo
Posts: 104
San Diego, California, US
Hey Ken Marcus,
I'm really flattered that you took the time to
contribute to this...really.
Your work has been very influential for me...
In fact,one of the reasons i became a photographer...
Thank You.
But really,don't you beleive that each magazine has a
defineable style???
Many of the Mayhem models think so...
Really,you are the person most qualified to
make things clear...
Thanks.
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24376
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Doug Swinskey wrote:
yes, i am classless and intimidated by women...(doug rolls eyes)..so are you going to tell me that you have never seen a skank? or whatever word you might use? Frankie wrote:
Very rarely would I see fit to call someone a skank. I certainly wouldnt generalize a whole group of people regardless of their personality, morals, lifestyle or upbringing as skanks because of their profession or association with a certain magazine. it was a generalization..
a model i respect greatly did a very tasteful pictorial in hustler, shot by their female staff photographer, suze randall...i dont consider her a skank..she none the less posed for a skanky magazine.
obviously i struck a nerve with a few...but in my view, the magazine is low class
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