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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

Feb 18 10 01:26 pm Link

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Belle_Morte

Posts: 1075

Moorestown-Lenola, New Jersey, US

No.

Feb 18 10 01:26 pm Link

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MOPP

Posts: 343

Phoenix, Arizona, US

Her friend is not a legal gaurdian in any way...  Sorry, but Mommy has to sign the 17 year old's release, or there is no shoot.

Feb 18 10 01:28 pm Link

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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

if I email the model release to her mother and sign it ???
I don't trust them ,just in case they fake the mother's signature !!

Feb 18 10 01:29 pm Link

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Monito -- Alan

Posts: 16524

Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

SF glamour wrote:  My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???

Yes.

But it will be useless to you, unenforceable.  Anybody can sign anything, but it might have no effect unless proper conditions are met.  In this case, you need a parent.  Both signing it would be best in case of disputes between the parents (divorce, e.g.).

SF glamour wrote:  if I email the model release to her mother and sign it ???  I don't trust them ,just in case they fake the mother's signature !!

Then have both of them sign it in your presence, and photograph them holding the signed form up beside their faces.

Feb 18 10 01:29 pm Link

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Belle_Morte

Posts: 1075

Moorestown-Lenola, New Jersey, US

SF glamour wrote:
if I email the model release to her mother and sign it ???
I don't trust them ,just in case they fake the mother's signature !!

If you don't trust them, don't shoot with them.

Feb 18 10 01:30 pm Link

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Rich Davis

Posts: 3136

Gulf Breeze, Florida, US

Why not get the parent to sign it while they aren't there at the shoot.  My advice would be to witness the signature.

Feb 18 10 01:30 pm Link

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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

I think not shooting with her would be the best !!

Feb 18 10 01:31 pm Link

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terrysphotocountry

Posts: 4202

Rochester, New York, US

SF glamour wrote:
My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

NO!

Feb 18 10 01:31 pm Link

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CLT

Posts: 12979

Winchester, Virginia, US

SF glamour wrote:
My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

You don't need a release until you are ready to publish. If she's just a couple months shy of being 18, then just wait until after her birthday and send her a release to sign for herself.

Feb 18 10 01:31 pm Link

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GPS Studio Services

Posts: 37301

San Francisco, California, US

No, she can't sign the release, but you probably don't legally need to have a parent present.  It is possible to have the parent sign the release and have the model bring it with her.  If the model is over sixteen, she may not need a parent present in California, depending on a few things.

If I was to allow the parent to sign the release and send it, I would speak directly with the parent and be certain that it is they that you are speaking to and that they have signed the release on behalf of their daughter.

I am assuming that you will be shooting age appropriate content so there are no other issues.

That having been said, many here would prefer a parent to be present, that is more a case of being safe rather than being required.

Feb 18 10 01:31 pm Link

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GPS Studio Services

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San Francisco, California, US

SF glamour wrote:
I think not shooting with her would be the best !!

That is kind of extreme, isn't it?  Shooting a teen for age appropriate content is no big thing.  If you don't need a release, don't worry about it.  If you do, just arrange for the parents to sign it.

Feb 18 10 01:33 pm Link

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M A B

Posts: 6504

Richmond, Virginia, US

ei Total Productions wrote:
No, she can't sign the release, but you probably don't legally need to have a parent present.  It is possible to have the parent sign the release and have the model bring it with her.  If the model is over sixteen, she may not need a parent present in California, depending on a few things.

If I was to allow the parent to sign the release and send it, I would speak directly with the parent and be certain that it is they that you are speaking to and that they have signed the release on behalf of their daughter.

I am assuming that you will be shooting age appropriate content so there are no other issues.

That having been said, many here would prefer a parent to be present, that is more a case of being safe rather than being required.

+1
OP, this is very good advice.

Feb 18 10 01:34 pm Link

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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

I'm not shooting topless or nude  with her!!!
you are right the best is to talk to her parents , and have them both sign it so she can bring it to the photoshoot !!

Feb 18 10 01:34 pm Link

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Lies Lies Lies

Posts: 173

Reno, Nevada, US

Absolutely uh-uh!

Feb 18 10 01:34 pm Link

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rfordphotos

Posts: 4985

Antioch, California, US

SF glamour wrote:
if I email the model release to her mother and sign it ???
I don't trust them ,just in case they fake the mother's signature !!

Honestly, if you dont trust them, then it would seem all the more important to have mommy or daddy cover YOUR ass....

Me? Next model please.... I am close to a no drama rule.... any form of drama, drop it and move to a "drama-less" shoot.

Feb 18 10 01:38 pm Link

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Photography by BE

Posts: 5652

Midland, Texas, US

SF glamour wrote:
My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

I really do not know why you even have to ask?

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SF glamour wrote:
I'm not shooting topless or nude  with her!!!
you are right the best is to talk to her parents , and have them both sign it so she can bring it to the photoshoot !!

Nope. Have at least one parent sign it, and you witness it.

Feb 18 10 01:38 pm Link

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GPS Studio Services

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San Francisco, California, US

SF glamour wrote:
I'm not shooting topless or nude  with her!!!
you are right the best is to talk to her parents , and have them both sign it so she can bring it to the photoshoot !!

I have always thought it to be extreme having both parents sign a release. I have never seen a statute or heard of litigation where a single parent's signiture hasn't been sufficient.  I've never bothered to get two and I have shot a lot of teen models over the years.

That having been said, there is no harm to the practice.  If that feels better to you then go for it.

Feb 18 10 01:39 pm Link

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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

thank you everyone for the advice !!
I'll try to get a parent to sign it before the shoot !!

Feb 18 10 01:41 pm Link

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MOPP

Posts: 343

Phoenix, Arizona, US

SF glamour wrote:
I think not shooting with her would be the best !!

AMEN

Feb 18 10 01:44 pm Link

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J Kacey

Posts: 292

Snohomish, Washington, US

Another option is to have the parent bring the release to their local notary pubic to witness the signature if you are worried about the kid faking it....

Feb 18 10 02:07 pm Link

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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

good idea !!!

Feb 18 10 02:10 pm Link

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-AMARI-

Posts: 147

Oakland, California, US

SF glamour wrote:
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

no no no
be careful with them youngins!

OneLove, OneHeart
Amari
http://highervision.biz

Feb 18 10 02:11 pm Link

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KKP Retouching

Posts: 1489

Anaheim, California, US

Is that 18 year old physically capable of signing? Yes.

Will it do you any good from a legal stand-point? No.

Parent or legal guardian only.

Feb 18 10 02:16 pm Link

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ZARIHS RETOUCHER

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Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland

nops noway

Feb 18 10 02:19 pm Link

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ZARIHS RETOUCHER

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Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland

Feb 18 10 02:20 pm Link

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PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 4603

Jacksonville, Florida, US

MOPP wrote:
Her friend is not a legal gaurdian in any way...  Sorry, but Mommy has to sign the 17 year old's release, or there is no shoot.

+1

Feb 18 10 02:24 pm Link

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William Kious

Posts: 8841

Delphos, Ohio, US

If your Spidey sense is already tingling, then you should pass on this model.

If you really want to work with her, then set up a time to talk with one of the model's parents.  It's remarkably easy when the parents approve of the child modeling.  If the model gets evasive about setting up a meeting; then walk away.

Feb 18 10 02:25 pm Link

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Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

SF glamour wrote:
My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

Not no  but hell no.

Feb 18 10 02:28 pm Link

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Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 8563

Los Angeles, California, US

Asking for trouble . . . !

Feb 18 10 02:29 pm Link

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Jeffrey Engel

Posts: 22327

Waltham, Massachusetts, US

It's almost like we're forgetting the whole point of signing things.

It's to prove that due diligence was undertaken.

Also, signing ahead of time, with no witness, is pointless and is not due diligence.


I don't know about you, but there is always a line for "WITNESS" as well as "PARENT/LEGAL GUARDIAN" for my minor model releases.

Feb 18 10 02:29 pm Link

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Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

SF glamour wrote:
My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

I see in some replys that it is suggested is that she get it signed and bring it with her..   NO.   Unless it is notorised  and witnessed..  so bring mom along

Feb 18 10 02:30 pm Link

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Scott Aitken

Posts: 3587

Seattle, Washington, US

A model release for a minor must be signed by a parent or legal guardian in order to be enforceable. (An exception would be a legally emancipated minor.) So, no, the friend can't sign it, unless they have a power of attorney from the parent or guardian.

It isn't a legal requirement to have the parent sign in front of you. You can email/fax/mail them the form, they can sign it, and either send it back to you or send it with the minor model.

The only problem with that is verification. If you don't see the parent sign the release, how do you know that the signature is real? Many teenagers would think nothing of having a sibling or friend forge their parent's signature on model release. Unless you have some way of verifying that the signature is real, there is a significant risk of forgery.

Feb 18 10 02:41 pm Link

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GSP - Envy

Posts: 186

Cromwell, Connecticut, US

get the phone number .. call the mother/father .. talk to them directly ... make sure they are ok and they are the ones signing it .. then email/fax it to them .. have them fax/email you their ID

Feb 18 10 02:44 pm Link

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S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24319

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

SF glamour wrote:
My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

why do you need a release?

Feb 18 10 02:48 pm Link

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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

I want to be able to use some of her pictures here on MM !!!
that's why I think it's better to have a signed model release !!

Feb 18 10 03:13 pm Link

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SF glamour

Posts: 324

South San Francisco, California, US

she is already on MM !!

Feb 18 10 03:17 pm Link

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PICAZZO PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 34

South San Francisco, California, US

have mom or ad sign the release in person with you thats what i do no ifs ands or buts .

Feb 18 10 03:20 pm Link

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pullins photography

Posts: 5878

Troy, Michigan, US

SF glamour wrote:
My question is can an 18 year old friend sign a model release taking the place of a parent not present ???
this 17 year old girl want's to shoot some fashion and headshots with me,her parents work and can not attend the photoshoot, an 18 year old friend want's to come with her and shoot some pictures too!!!
legally can her friend sign a model release instead of one of her parents ???

no...she's not her legal guardian, parent, or otherwise, unless her parents give that 18 year old the legal right to do so

Feb 18 10 03:22 pm Link

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pullins photography

Posts: 5878

Troy, Michigan, US

Scott Aitken wrote:
A model release for a minor must be signed by a parent or legal guardian in order to be enforceable. (An exception would be a legally emancipated minor.) So, no, the friend can't sign it, unless they have a power of attorney from the parent or guardian.

It isn't a legal requirement to have the parent sign in front of you. You can email/fax/mail them the form, they can sign it, and either send it back to you or send it with the minor model.

The only problem with that is verification. If you don't see the parent sign the release, how do you know that the signature is real? Many teenagers would think nothing of having a sibling or friend forge their parent's signature on model release. Unless you have some way of verifying that the signature is real, there is a significant risk of forgery.

yep...I didn't read this before I posted smile

Feb 18 10 03:22 pm Link