NEVER MIND... I HAVE MADE UP MY MIND, THIS CAN BE CLOSED.
Feb 22 10 08:35 am Link
Goldsboro, North Carolina, US
Don't do it. Let them find another person to do it...
Feb 22 10 08:37 am Link
Harlow, England, United Kingdom
Well, I would ask the mother first if she is okay with this. And think to yourself, whether you're comfortable with this.
I would read all the previous threads on under-aged models
Personally, myself, I wouldn't even consider it unless this is highly paid. Plenty of 18+ models who will do implied topless.
San Francisco, California, US
It's up to you. I assume that does not violate any laws in Holland. If you do shoot something like this, you cannot use it on MM.
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
It's just a plain no
we have all done shots like this and 95%of the time you see the models nipples which is just not cool for a 15 yr old
and even if you don't everyone who sees the image will think you did
Moorcroft, Wyoming, US
I wouldnt do it!!!! to many possibilities for a lawsuit....
It's not even that I want the shot.. She wants it... I can get plenty models myself, but she's paying me for it... Not top-dollar though, just 35,00
Feb 22 10 08:39 am Link
Jacksonville, Florida, US
there's no way, that i personally would be comfortable doing something like that. even with the mom present, that would just creep me out.
Feb 22 10 08:40 am Link
Ok, thanks.. I'm not doing it
San Francisco, California, US
It's a personal choice. What we think does not matter. I'll wager this thread does not make it to the end of page 2 before someone screams it is illegal. Maybe it is illegal in Holland. I have no idea. It's certainly not illegal in the U.S.
Ok, you're not in the US, so I don't know the rules and what society thinks about under-18 girls posing without a shirt on for you.
Richmond, Virginia, US
PYPI FASHION wrote:
This. Look into your local laws and make a judgment call from there.
Feb 22 10 08:42 am Link
If you can handle the potential legal issue that you could possibly subject yourself to, go right ahead.
Feb 22 10 08:43 am Link
Roanoke, Virginia, US
See if she wants to do an "implied" Implied topless. See the example pic? what if you angled it to where the model wore a tube top and her hand wrapped around to her back to cover the band going around her arms covering her breasts? This way you get the effect she wants and she is not nude at anytime.
"2256 and 2257 regs"
I have NO idea what these are, and I'm pretty sure we don't have them in Holland. Also, it's NOT illegal to do implied nude with 15 Y/O here, this is just me asking you guys what you would do...
Hmmm... Interesting... I'll see about this one
Feb 22 10 08:46 am Link
Miami, Florida, US
I would do it but I would also have her wear 'stickies' so that she is not technically topless (rather large stickies, I might add). It would also have to be a paid shoot, a nice paying one at that. The risk is just not worth it otherwise.
Yes, I realize it's not illegal to shoot even full frontal nudity with a minor, but all it takes is one accusation and I am out thousands in legal fees and having my hard drive taken into custody for examination, and all sorts of other problems that I can't afford.
Brooklyn, New York, US
Given that most of the posters on this forum are US based and know nothing about the laws and culture of your country you are not going to get much useful advice here.
Ask this question in a forum based in Holland or Europe.
sorry they are US Code of Federal Regulations related to Child Pornography. They don't apply to you in Holland.
If it is NOT illegal to do an implied nude, and no social judgements will be applied to you for taking the picture, then I say go for it. Just make sure the parents are on board with it, make it a beautiful picture and everyone will be happy.
Feb 22 10 08:48 am Link
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
I'd shoot it. I'd shoot a shot like my avatar even, and the law would be on my side here where I live. I am not familiar with the law where you are, though.
Actually, reading all these answers it occurred to me that I'm not comfortable doing it, even if it is legal... I've just mailed her saying so...
Orlando, Florida, US
What would I do?
Plainview, New York, US
I don't understand what is illegal about it?
If she has a bikini top on, you place her hand covering the strap and use the camera angle to hide the rest, it's an implied...
Allentown, Pennsylvania, US
i don't know the laws because i'm not a lawyer, but Miley Cirus recently appeared in Vanity Fair in an implied shot. nobody went to jail. Sally Mann's book immediate family is still on the shelves as are the works of Jock Sturges. Mann's and Sturges' works all involved full nudes, but were not without controversy.
so, i guess it is a personal choice. not sure which way i would go on this one.
Lake Oswego, Oregon, US
I would run and never look back....
It's not illegal, this is about personal judgement, just checking what everybody else feels
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
If the mom is your 'colleague', ask her [the mom] about the child's request, or forward the email to the mom, see what mom says,...... then decide how you feel about it?
Feb 22 10 08:53 am Link
You can see that Mylie is covering up not the same as the example the OP gave
Feb 22 10 08:54 am Link
Eugene, Oregon, US
The photographer is from Netherlands - the laws, customs, and social understanding of nudity is completely different than in the US. I lived in Europe for 5 plus years - I would probably say this 15 year old goes topless on the beaches.
If the pictures was taken in the US... definately NO unless she had a tube top or bikinini top to cover her nipples. If Netherland allows for the implied / topless or even nude - then you should shoot the picture and not lose the friendship.
Conform to the Requirements and you can't go wrong.
Memphis, Tennessee, US
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Make sure the mother (or father) is present when the shoot is being taken.
Ask that they bring a memory card of the type for your camera, and shoot using it. Give them the card when finished. Let them process the images as they like.
Be professional and courteous.
Bremerton, Washington, US
Why take a chance there are plenty of over 18 year old that you can use and keep your self safe. It's stupid since your asking you know you shouldn't.
San Antonio, Texas, US
Tell her that once she's 18 yo you'll be glad to shoot her any way she wishes, until then she should slow down a bit and just be a kid. There will be plenty of time for her to take her clothes off later, when she can legally do it without putting somebody else at risk.
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Feb 22 10 08:58 am Link
Tulare, California, US
This is not a good deal at all.....young models need to realize although they want to be all the way into the Modeling Industry they need to wait like everyone else. You open up a lot of negativity if you choose to shoot minors in implied or nudes..
Los Angeles, California, US
Get a good lawyer . . .
Are your really that nuts to even consider this for more than a half second ?