Forums > Digital Art and Retouching > Retouching technique used on POTD winning shot Pt2

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Hi Gang,

A few weeks ago I started a thread that eventually got closed cause people were upset it smelled too much of SPAM.

The video walks retouchers through the post-processing used on this shot.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/potd/entrants/090830/potd-090830-103568-big.jpg

As I had promised, I was going to share the video from Gry's DVD series - and here it is on Vimeo. Just took us a few weeks to get everything ready. Mods have pre-approved this post.

Let me know your thoughts - and hopefully people find it useful.

Cheers,

Derek Cooper Photography
www.derekcooper.com

Sep 06 10 06:24 am Link

Photographer

Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8036

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

Thanks for posting this Derek, it was a great watch - exceptional production quality from the Vimeo stream.

OOC, does the full video series go through the rest of the work she did on that image, or is this the extent to which she shows her work on it?

Thanks again!

Sep 06 10 07:05 am Link

Photographer

Tog

Posts: 55204

Birmingham, Alabama, US

SRB Photo wrote:
Thanks for posting this Derek, it was a great watch - exceptional production quality from the Vimeo stream.

OOC, does the full video series go through the rest of the work she did on that image, or is this the extent to which she shows her work on it?

Thanks again!

+1 on this. 

Why is it every time someone goes through the effort to put up an instructional video (and kudos to those who do), it always starts with, "I did some work ahead of time that we won't talk about" that always contains the bits I'm interested in....?

Sep 06 10 07:09 am Link

Photographer

Rik Austin

Posts: 11377

Austin, Texas, US

Excellent video.  I was just going to start working on puppet warp today.  Thanks.

Sep 06 10 07:12 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

SRB Photo wrote:
Thanks for posting this Derek, it was a great watch - exceptional production quality from the Vimeo stream.

Gry does a wonderful - and the video is exceptional for sure.

SRB Photo wrote:
OOC, does the full video series go through the rest of the work she did on that image, or is this the extent to which she shows her work on it?

I'm not sure, actually. I'll ask Gry and report back.

Sep 06 10 07:18 am Link

Photographer

Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8036

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

Derek Cooper wrote:
Gry does a wonderful - and the video is exceptional for sure.

Source material didn't hurt any, either.

Derek Cooper wrote:
I'm not sure, actually. I'll ask Gry and report back.

Looking forward to it!

Sep 06 10 07:20 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Tog  wrote:
+1 on this.

Excellent! I like pluses.

Tog  wrote:
Why is it every time someone goes through the effort to put up an instructional video (and kudos to those who do), it always starts with, "I did some work ahead of time that we won't talk about" that always contains the bits I'm interested in....?

Well, you can't learn every secret from someone else??!!  smile

Sep 06 10 07:22 am Link

Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18211

Orlando, Florida, US

Derek Cooper wrote:

Tog  wrote:
+1 on this.

Excellent! I like pluses.


Well, you can't learn every secret from someone else??!!  smile

This is were you are wrong there are no secrets.

Sep 06 10 07:26 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

SRB Photo wrote:

Derek Cooper wrote:
Gry does a wonderful - and the video is exceptional for sure.

Source material didn't hurt any, either.

Looking forward to it!

Unfortunately, that's it for this shot on the DVD. Sorry 'bout that!

Sep 06 10 07:28 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Angela Michelle Perez wrote:
This is were you are wrong there are no secrets.

Hehehe... apparently not.

Sep 06 10 07:29 am Link

Photographer

Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8036

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

Derek Cooper wrote:

Unfortunately, that's it for this shot on the DVD. Sorry 'bout that!

Hey, you checked and let us know - there's no sense complaining about honest (and free) information!

Thank you again.

Sep 06 10 07:36 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

SRB Photo wrote:
Hey, you checked and let us know - there's no sense complaining about honest (and free) information!

I'm Canadian - we tend to be apologetic!!!! LOL

Sep 06 10 07:40 am Link

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Jerry Bennett

Posts: 2222

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Nice! Thank you! I've been using the Liquefy tool, but I'll be using Warp a lot more in the near future.

Sep 06 10 09:24 am Link

Photographer

Sean Baker Photo

Posts: 8036

Silver Spring, Maryland, US

Jerry Bennett wrote:
Nice! Thank you! I've been using the Liquefy tool, but I'll be using Warp a lot more in the near future.

FWIW, Liquify, Warp, and Puppet Warp all do basically the same thing.  Liquify just gives you the finest level of control, consequently allowing you to screw up detail the worst smile.  Working on a smaller copy of the image, saving the mesh, and applying it to the full-size is probably the best way of getting its interface without risking detail destruction.

Or just use the other tools smile.

Sep 06 10 10:14 am Link

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Wilde One

Posts: 2359

Santa Monica, California, US

Derek, when will Gry's e-book on retouching, version Photoshop CS5, come out?

Sep 06 10 04:10 pm Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Wilde One wrote:
Derek, when will Gry's e-book on retouching, version Photoshop CS5, come out?

Not sure actually - she didn't mention it to me. Sorry!

Sep 06 10 06:27 pm Link

Photographer

Charles Farrah Images

Posts: 8

Yonkers, New York, US

Great video and shot!

Sep 12 10 04:48 pm Link

Retoucher

DB Design

Posts: 38

Southampton, England, United Kingdom

Thats one way to go about it I suppose. Odd really there is no set way to use photoshop of the final product is the same, but I wouldn't have gone about it the same way she did.

Sep 13 10 12:41 pm Link

Digital Artist

Michael C Pearson

Posts: 1343

Agoura Hills, California, US

SRB Photo wrote:
FWIW, Liquify, Warp, and Puppet Warp all do basically the same thing.  Liquify just gives you the finest level of control, consequently allowing you to screw up detail the worst smile.

Yeah, that's what she must have meant. While I was watching the video, I had wished she'd gone into more detail about the different way that liquify handles the "pushing" of pixels over the other tools, but you must be right; she doesn't like how it's easier to mess up the detail.

Great video, thanks for sharing Derek.

Sep 19 10 12:45 am Link

Photographer

SMT-Photos

Posts: 19

Northampton, England, United Kingdom

"Gunna this... gunna that..."
What a complete waste of your life.  If the picture wasn't "taken correctly" in the first place, let it be!  I'm all for retouching but this is absurd.

Sep 19 10 02:40 am Link

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Ruben Vasquez

Posts: 3115

Puyallup, Washington, US

SMT-Photos wrote:
"Gunna this... gunna that..."
What a complete waste of your life.  If the picture wasn't "taken correctly" in the first place, let it be!  I'm all for retouching but this is absurd.

No matter how well an image is photographed, they can all be enhanced and improved. Even the finest diamonds need to be polished.

Sep 19 10 07:24 am Link

Photographer

dklee studio photo

Posts: 2587

Richmond, Virginia, US

damn... time for me to upgrade from cs3 to cs5

Sep 21 10 02:09 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Ruben Vasquez wrote:

No matter how well an image is photographed, they can all be enhanced and improved. Even the finest diamonds need to be polished.

Totally agree Ruben!

Glad people are enjoying the video - I watched it and was amazed to see how much effort goes into the post work on our shoots. It's amazing - and lovely.

Oct 15 10 07:28 am Link

Retoucher

Vearts

Posts: 129

Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

I saw this short tutorial on Her website http://www.grygarness.com/dvds/beauty-r … ng-dvd.htm She is very good with Photoshop kinda my style technical. And I think that Her  DVD is affordable for everyone.

Oct 15 10 09:35 am Link

Retoucher

Krunoslav Stifter

Posts: 3883

Santa Cruz, California, US

Thanks for the video. smile

Oct 15 10 09:41 am Link

Photographer

Dreamscape Creative

Posts: 478

Charleston, South Carolina, US

Nice real-world demonstration of the new tools in CS5.  Adobe demonstrates with images specifically meant to showcase a feature working perfectly.  But there's honesty in an example such as this, however.

Altogether, well done.

Oct 15 10 10:25 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

I haven't watched the DVDs as of yet, but I will. I've long been a fan of Gry's work (obviously) and using real-world examples is excellent.

At what point do people think the artistry of photography ends and the artistry of retouching begins? Of course, post can't make a terrible shot look great, but the balance is intriguing.

Oct 16 10 07:28 am Link

Photographer

Page Photography inc

Posts: 437

Sherman, Texas, US

Tog  wrote:

+1 on this. 

Why is it every time someone goes through the effort to put up an instructional video (and kudos to those who do), it always starts with, "I did some work ahead of time that we won't talk about" that always contains the bits I'm interested in....?

I totally Agree..Thats why i stopped watching after she said here is what i did ahead of time. And it was never discussed..So its left out alot of important stuff. So why post a How-To Video if you cant discuss the whole thing.

Oct 16 10 07:42 am Link

Retoucher

Krunoslav Stifter

Posts: 3883

Santa Cruz, California, US

Page Photography inc wrote:
I totally Agree..Thats why i stopped watching after she said here is what i did ahead of time. And it was never discussed..So its left out alot of important stuff. So why post a How-To Video if you cant discuss the whole thing.

Beginner
Intermediate
Advance

...take your pick. If someone wanted to explain every little detail, the video would be 3+ hours long. Lucky there are more video tutorials on the market, than it ever was in the past. And that number is growing. Dose that answers your question?

Oct 16 10 07:51 am Link

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Dan OMell

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Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

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Oct 16 10 08:22 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Page Photography inc wrote:

I totally Agree..Thats why i stopped watching after she said here is what i did ahead of time. And it was never discussed..So its left out alot of important stuff. So why post a How-To Video if you cant discuss the whole thing.

What stuff ahead of time would be of interest to you Page?

Really all we did was some toning work - colour tones, not body toning. Pretty basic hue / sat moves. Nothing terribly exciting.

Does that help?

Oct 16 10 08:40 am Link

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Joan Morgades

Posts: 311

Reus, Catalonia, Spain

Thanks for the video, amazing picture.

Oct 16 10 08:54 am Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

The Factory Fotografia wrote:
Thanks for the video, amazing picture.

My pleasure - glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the kudos on the pic.

Oct 16 10 02:13 pm Link

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Ruben Vasquez

Posts: 3115

Puyallup, Washington, US

I just got Gry's dvd's in the mail a couple days ago. I'm still working through Natalia's dvd's but have a watched a few of the tutorials. I'm really looking forward to studying them in depth. smile

Oct 16 10 08:07 pm Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Ruben Vasquez wrote:
I just got Gry's dvd's in the mail a couple days ago. I'm still working through Natalia's dvd's but have a watched a few of the tutorials. I'm really looking forward to studying them in depth. smile

Let us know what you think of the DVDs Ruben once you get a chance to watch them. I think there is something like 14 hours of content!!! Unreal.

Oct 17 10 09:48 am Link

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Ruben Vasquez

Posts: 3115

Puyallup, Washington, US

Derek Cooper wrote:
Let us know what you think of the DVDs Ruben once you get a chance to watch them. I think there is something like 14 hours of content!!! Unreal.

You aint kidding! Both Natalia's and Gry's are quite in depth but go over the various material in very different ways. Besides simply watching the dvd's, I plan on retouching the image prior to the tutorial, while watching the tutorial and then once more after to see just how well I was able to absorb the material. Not too sure if any one really cares but I can do a write up on the experiance if you like.

Oct 17 10 01:25 pm Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Ruben Vasquez wrote:

You aint kidding! Both Natalia's and Gry's are quite in depth but go over the various material in very different ways. Besides simply watching the dvd's, I plan on retouching the image prior to the tutorial, while watching the tutorial and then once more after to see just how well I was able to absorb the material. Not too sure if any one really cares but I can do a write up on the experiance if you like.

Sounds cool - go for it and let us see when you're ready!

Oct 17 10 02:13 pm Link

Photographer

Derek Cooper

Posts: 106

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

How did it go Ruben?

Dec 23 10 05:27 pm Link

Photographer

Jon LiIIey

Posts: 948

London, England, United Kingdom

dklee studio photo wrote:
damn... time for me to upgrade from cs3 to cs5

Not really. The important thing is the workflow and attention to the detail. You could do all that without puppet warp and using imagedoctor plug-ins.

Great video though. Always useful to watch excellent people at work.

Dec 23 10 06:15 pm Link

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Jerry Bennett

Posts: 2222

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

SRB Photo wrote:

FWIW, Liquify, Warp, and Puppet Warp all do basically the same thing.  Liquify just gives you the finest level of control, consequently allowing you to screw up detail the worst smile.  Working on a smaller copy of the image, saving the mesh, and applying it to the full-size is probably the best way of getting its interface without risking detail destruction.

Or just use the other tools smile.

Yeah, there's something about liquify that just works well with the body. Maybe 'cause it's round?

Dec 23 10 10:47 pm Link