Forums > General Industry > Barter! Alternatives to TFP

Photographer

Fotographia Fantastique

Posts: 17326

Lebanon, New Hampshire, US

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EDIT: I know TFP is a form of barter - that's not the focus of this thread.
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This thread will not apply to all photographers/models. If it doesn't apply to you, instead of flaming me, please move on to the next thread. In another thread someone mentioned bartering - so as not to hijack that thread, I'm starting a seperate one here.

I would love to pay everyone I want to work with, and be paid by everyone who wants to work with me, but sometimes that's not always possible. I just can't financially afford TFP with everyone who wants it, and many models can't afford to pay cash.

But what works out great is payment in the form of services! Most people I've come across (since I don't live in NY or LA) seem to have a day job, and so trading goods/services that one would otherwise have to spend money on is one possible alternative to cash.

Some of the ways I've compensated models and MUAs aside from cash:

custom Business/comp cards
Clothes
Collectible Toys
Day spa services
Gauranteed gallery exposure
Guaranteed tear sheets
Getting them paid gigs with someone else
Headshots
Photo Retouching services
Prepaid gas cards
prepaid phone cards
Resume preparation/formatting
Restaurant Gift cards

Some of the ways I've been compensated:

Access to locations
Beer
Chiropractic/massage work
Free film processing
Free photocopy and/or printing services
Free Hotel stays
Frequent flier miles
MUA services on other shoots
Prepaid gas cards
prepaid phone cards
Restaraunt gift cards
Website services

(sticky post please?)

Jul 22 06 02:32 pm Link

Photographer

oldguysrule

Posts: 6129

just to clarify, TFP is a form of barter.
this thread may still be handy to explore the possibiities.
be as creative in your dealmaking as you are in your work.

Jul 22 06 02:39 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 21947

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

oldguysrule wrote:
just to clarify, TFP is a form of barter.

Not to derail the conversation, but I wish more people understood that.  All too often it is thought to be a matter of "free" modeling for "free" prints.

Jul 22 06 02:41 pm Link

Photographer

Fotographia Fantastique

Posts: 17326

Lebanon, New Hampshire, US

oldguysrule wrote:
just to clarify, TFP is a form of barter.
this thread may still be handy to explore the possibiities.
be as creative in your dealmaking as you are in your work.

Yes, it is. My intention was not to deny the value of TFP, just to suggest that there are other forms of barter often overlooked.

With your years of experience, this thread may not be so valuable to you, but thanks for the comment.

Jul 22 06 02:43 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Atlanta, Georgia, US

oldguysrule wrote:
just to clarify, TFP is a form of barter.

TXPhotog wrote:
Not to derail the conversation, but I wish more people understood that.  All too often it is thought to be a matter of "free" modeling for "free" prints.

I was beginning the think I was the only one who thought that.


This is an excellent thread, though.  Perhaps this will facilitate ideas and keep people from feeling like they get the shaft in trade scenarios.  I've always maintained that the question isn't whether or not people are paid for their work, rather whether or not the payment is worth it. 

Hopefully this thread can get people thinking about the options available for compensation.

Jul 22 06 03:10 pm Link

Photographer

Boho Hobo

Posts: 25351

Portland, Oregon, US

The way in which I make most of my money now is through ceramics.  Sculpture and vessels and stuff.

It might be the nature of the clay tradition combined with my proximity to alternative communities and people, but barter is pretty common.  For instance, when I was doing a series of full sized torsos, and needed models, we traded for  either a finished piece,  an extra mold (for them to play with), 6 hand thrown mugs, food, a couple bowls (the ceramic kind), a couple bowls (the smokeable kind) etc.

I'm actually needing to find some figure models soon, to get castings from and plan to offer TFFP  or TFM  or open-ended barters.


I'm not adverse to doing the same with photography.  I've done it before and it tends to work well with models who view their modeling as having an artistic purpose rather than just a purely financial one.

Jul 22 06 03:23 pm Link

Model

Bailee Martini

Posts: 648

Jacksonville, Alabama, US

i would consider paying someone in food and beer for photos. im an excellent cook, and my husband is a beer connessieur in the making! (dont think i spelled that right...)

Jul 22 06 03:30 pm Link

Photographer

Tim Little Photography

Posts: 11602

Wilmington, Delaware, US

baelie wrote:
i would consider paying someone in food and beer for photos. im an excellent cook, and my husband is a beer connessieur in the making! (dont think i spelled that right...)

I would shoot for food and beer. A nice home cooked meal on a real plate with a real fork, yea that would be a good deal. Can we have Catfish and Hushpuppies???

Jul 22 06 03:38 pm Link

Photographer

Fotographia Fantastique

Posts: 17326

Lebanon, New Hampshire, US

baelie wrote:
i would consider paying someone in food and beer for photos. im an excellent cook, and my husband is a beer connessieur in the making! (dont think i spelled that right...)

Yum! Next time I'm in FL, I'll hit you up!

Jul 22 06 03:42 pm Link

Photographer

rp_photo

Posts: 42495

Houston, Texas, US

oldguysrule wrote:
just to clarify, TFP is a form of barter.
this thread may still be handy to explore the possibiities.
be as creative in your dealmaking as you are in your work.

TFP is intra-industry barter, i.e., between photographers, models, and MUA's.

It is more properly called barter if it involves anyone outside of the industry, for example, giving a classic car owner prints in exchance for using the car as a prop.

I agree barter can be a good thing when those with skills and needs can match up.

Jul 22 06 03:45 pm Link

Photographer

dissolvegirl

Posts: 297

Northampton, Massachusetts, US

I've done shoots where I provided the outfits the models wore, and gave them the clothing as payment for the shoot.

I'd be more than willing to shoot for barter, especially in exchange for trustworthy, reliable babysitting. Sweet Jesus above, I haven't seen a movie in the theatre since I don't know when.

Jul 22 06 04:10 pm Link

Photographer

dave wright phx

Posts: 13509

Phoenix, Arizona, US

A certain bay-area model listed some ways that she's been compensated for her modeling time - one of which was "spankings."

Jul 23 06 04:40 am Link

Photographer

Stuart Photography

Posts: 5938

Tampa, Florida, US

back in 98, i designed a website for a dive shop in trade for free diving. part of that at the time was including some pictures of the island and some UW pictures.

well, i still have my free diving today (and hotel), and since, it has landed me steady annual work with the island's Tourist Board, and more recently, a 2nd tourist board on a completely separate island. 

just goes to show ya....you never know!

Jul 23 06 07:35 am Link

Photographer

DarioImpiniPhotography

Posts: 8734

Everett, Washington, US

Just remember to make sure the government gets its share.  When you barter, dont be an IRS martyr.  Send the IRS a couple of nude prints with your 1040.  LOL.

Jul 23 06 08:11 am Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Atlanta, Georgia, US

:::sigh:::

There's a discussion about a 5 foot 6 inch fashion llama that has forty-something posts.  And this one only has 14 (including this one).  So I suppose the other is more relevant to our day-to-day concerns...




This is a dance I like to call the bump.

Jul 23 06 05:04 pm Link

Model

Iona Lynn

Posts: 11176

Oakland, California, US

You rang???


How I have been paid as a model:

Cash
Prints
Room
Board
Plane tickets
Movie tickets
Sushi
Hair cuts, color, styles,
Ramen
Fresh lemons
Fresh catnip
Wine
Clothing
Free night club entrance
Free drinks
Books
Movies dvd’s
CD’s
Free trips vacations
Spankings
Tattoos
All the hot wings I can eat
All the wonderful beautiful new places I have traveled to and seen.
All the wonderful beautiful people I have met and learned from.
The chance to be immortalized in art

Jul 23 06 05:07 pm Link

Photographer

Nyx Valentine Photo

Posts: 216

Aliso Viejo, California, US

I've been paid in gold fish smile  (the crackers, not actual fish.)  Cigarettes.  Money.  Prints.  Cds.  No clothes yet, gotta work on that smile.  Barbed wire... (modeling, not photographing.)  Strange things.  The gold fish were the best payment though.

Jul 24 06 02:10 am Link

Photographer

Mark Reese Photography

Posts: 21622

Brandon, Florida, US

Megan_G wrote:
I've been paid in gold fish smile  (the crackers, not actual fish.)  Cigarettes.  Money.  Prints.  Cds.  No clothes yet, gotta work on that smile.  Barbed wire... (modeling, not photographing.)  Strange things.  The gold fish were the best payment though.

Paid in crackers, now THAT'S original.

Jul 24 06 02:14 am Link

Photographer

Julia Gerace

Posts: 1889

Monroe, Connecticut, US

I just bartered with a lawyer - he reviewed and made changes in my lease and will do our wills for headshots....

Jul 24 06 02:06 pm Link

Photographer

DigitalKloc Photography

Posts: 659

Los Angeles, California, US

I bartered with a cement contractor, photos of his wife's pottery for pouring a baketball court. He poured a basketball court for me and his wife never called.

Jul 24 06 02:17 pm Link

Photographer

UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

Iona Lynn wrote:
You rang???


How I have been paid as a model:


Sushi,, I just learned to like Iona
Hair cuts, color, styles,


Ramen  ..... I just learned to love Iona
Fresh lemons
Fresh catnip
Wine
Clothing
Free night club entrance
Free drinks
Books
Movies dvd’s
CD’s
Free trips vacations
Spankings
Tattoos
All the hot wings I can eat
All the wonderful beautiful new places I have traveled to and seen.
All the wonderful beautiful people I have met and learned from.
The chance to be immortalized in art

So for one fine dining experience you will pose for me all weekend?

Jul 24 06 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

we are NOT millionaires here! we know about not having money.
But people try to put shit over on you.

eg..have no money for the shoot..but shows up in a brand new car..
eg.. have no money for the shoot...but tells me she just paid $500 to the vet for the rat dog
eg.have no money for the shoot...but is leaving for a three week trip to Jamaica.

thats why , we turn hard asses

Jul 24 06 02:43 pm Link

Photographer

Michael J

Posts: 474

Rustburg, Virginia, US

Have shot finished cars from a customizing shop for their website,in exchange for a paint job on my girlfriends car.
Have shot remodeling before and after photos, as well as decks and such, for a wood floor in my living room.

I love to trade . . .

Jul 24 06 02:54 pm Link

Model

_Cinnamon_

Posts: 1697

San Francisco, California, US

Julia Gerace wrote:
I just bartered with a lawyer - he reviewed and made changes in my lease and will do our wills for headshots....

Good one!

Jul 24 06 02:56 pm Link

Model

_Cinnamon_

Posts: 1697

San Francisco, California, US

UnoMundo Photography wrote:
we are NOT millionaires here! we know about not having money.
But people try to put shit over on you.

eg..have no money for the shoot..but shows up in a brand new car..
eg.. have no money for the shoot...but tells me she just paid $500 to the vet for the rat dog
eg.have no money for the shoot...but is leaving for a three week trip to Jamaica.

thats why , we turn hard asses

Aww. Why so grouchy Uno?

Jul 24 06 02:57 pm Link

Photographer

UnoMundo

Posts: 47532

Olympia, Washington, US

On the other hand we can sell ourselves... to all bidders


http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ers/179232722.html
or beter yet, just be a freak in exchange!


PHOTOGRAPHER FOR YOUR NEEDS - m4w
Reply to: pers-179406454@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-07-07, 11:10AM PDT


I'm good looking male who is looking help you make a web page or an ad and all I want is to watch.
Or I want a woman or women to masturbate in front of me.

    * this is in or around Las Vegas/Henderson
    * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

   
   

179406454

Jul 24 06 03:02 pm Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8612

Berkeley, California, US

I usually do paid work.

In addition to pay, I have gotten:
A $48 BART [kind of like the subway] card
Clothes
Lots of food!
Movies
Great photos

Without pay, I have gotten:
Clothes
A tattoo
Great photos

While working my other job, as a street vendor, I have made friends with other street vendors.  There are these chain-maille guys.  They're the geekiest vendors on Telegraph, so I tend to be interested in them.  Last week, one of the guys asked me if I would be interested in modeling some "shiny metal underwear" for him.  He's going to give me what he makes for me to model or anything else I want in return.  Fuck yeah!  I'm excited.

Jul 24 06 03:04 pm Link

Photographer

Michael J

Posts: 474

Rustburg, Virginia, US

UnoMundo Photography wrote:
On the other hand we can sell ourselves... to all bidders


http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/ers/179232722.html
or beter yet, just be a freak in exchange!


PHOTOGRAPHER FOR YOUR NEEDS - m4w
Reply to: pers-179406454@craigslist.org
Date: 2006-07-07, 11:10AM PDT


I'm good looking male who is looking help you make a web page or an ad and all I want is to watch.
Or I want a woman or women to masturbate in front of me.

    * this is in or around Las Vegas/Henderson
    * no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

   
   

179406454

OK. . .  How do people find these sites?  LOL

Jul 24 06 03:09 pm Link

Photographer

Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Atlanta, Georgia, US

This is worth a bump.



Especially here in ModelMayhem...

Feb 02 07 03:02 pm Link

Photographer

CW Sr

Posts: 970

Columbus, Ohio, US

I'm a barting junkie on craigslist and I see photogs all the time trying to barter for photoshoots. I think it's pathetic. They can't get even tfp/tfcd gigs while talking to models so they have to try and barter their GWC work with people that don't know any better lol

Feb 02 07 03:07 pm Link

Photographer

CYDEXIA

Posts: 232

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

I'd shoot you in return for a copy of 'Conan the Barbarian'  any day. Hmm.

Feb 02 07 04:30 pm Link

Model

Vera van Munster

Posts: 4095

Belmont, North Carolina, US

I provide retro wardrobe and hair styling for shoots, in exchange for stuff to put in my online port.I have fun either way. wink

Feb 02 07 04:35 pm Link

Photographer

bman

Posts: 1126

Hollywood, Alabama, US

no comment

Feb 02 07 04:38 pm Link

Photographer

Craig Thomson

Posts: 13462

Tacoma, Washington, US

Jay Bowman wrote:
This is worth a bump.



Especially here in ModelMayhem...

Crap, I get yelled at for bumping a thread less then a month old, watch your back man.

Trade for stuff here.

Feb 02 07 04:41 pm Link

Photographer

Posts: 5199

New York, New York, US

Jay Bowman wrote:
This is worth a bump.



Especially here in ModelMayhem...

Good one.
(bangs head on desk)

Feb 02 07 04:42 pm Link

Model

Ann M

Posts: 401

Memphis, Tennessee, US

dissolvegirl wrote:
I'd be more than willing to shoot for barter, especially in exchange for trustworthy, reliable babysitting.  .

AMEN to that!  I'm a stay-at-home mom smile  I'd babysit for you but you're too far away! smile

Feb 02 07 04:42 pm Link

Photographer

erik jensen

Posts: 376

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

i'll trade my best layin' hen for a nude model.

Feb 02 07 04:46 pm Link

Model

Ann M

Posts: 401

Memphis, Tennessee, US

Eric Tragedy wrote:

Yum! Next time I'm in FL, I'll hit you up!

can I entice you with Asian food?  or Italian? smile

Feb 02 07 04:48 pm Link

Model

Amber Dawn - Colorado

Posts: 6250

Castle Rock, Colorado, US

oldguysrule wrote:
just to clarify, TFP is a form of barter.
this thread may still be handy to explore the possibiities.
be as creative in your dealmaking as you are in your work.

Right! TFP/TFCD is barter it's not very expensive to buy a big thing of CD's and or paprer to do prints. lol

Like that's the whole point is to get either a CD or prints not clothes or beer lol I cant use that stuff for my portfolio.

Feb 02 07 04:53 pm Link

Model

Vera van Munster

Posts: 4095

Belmont, North Carolina, US

CO Model Amber wrote:

Right! TFP/TFCD is barter it's not very expensive to buy a big thing of CD's and or paprer to do prints. lol

Exactly! I think if you buy in bulk, a cd is about 15cents.

Feb 02 07 04:55 pm Link