Bizou Photography wrote:
Keep saying that I'm the real bad guy it doesn't matter to me.

I know my goals, the models I'm interested know my goals, and I want to project a 'safe' vibe for the models and have decided that my wife will now be part of all the shoots doing touch-ups and adjusting lights. I didn't want to burden her but she'll have to part of the team.

(obviously models involve skin and often implied are the best shots for many models of age. Models are hot and look good and I want to make them as hot as possible via our friends Adobe.. and oh yeah the guys and girls who do nudes try using some ice cubes it supposedly works)

Ok I did see this comment briefly as I was trying to read the whole thread and too much to say without enough time... but I don't want to forget to say that as a model I do not feel safer when out numbered at a shoot.  I feel more vulnerable actually and will probably not feel comfortable doing anything nude.  Bringing a escort to a shoot is a completely different security measure than just not being alone with the photographer.  I wouldn't want to shoot with a photographer who made me feel that uncomfortable for any amount of money.

Melissa Boneau wrote:

We are discussing it because we have the freedom to do so.  Unless, there is a rule I overlooked saying we can't discuss subjects you feel are irrelevant?  I thought that meant to mind your own business and not harass other members for opening a discussion about something they clearly would like to discuss reasonably with everyone else here who is interested and finds it very relevant.  Right and wrong is immaterial.  We need your permission to come aboard?

Why not report it to the authorities? Authorities? I think I covered that earlier.  But it's not like anyone decided to call out anyone here who digs this illegal looking work.  We are merely conversing about it like adults, who do see lots of images of underaged looking women.  We don't want to spend our good time here justifying why we are here or what we are talking about or whether we are right or whether we are wrong.

The very nature of this thread involves "right and wrong", so it can not be immaterial.

The OP asked: "I need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what is not as far as younger models go and nudity. Please define some rules of what is appropriate.

Note: "Please define some rules" and "tell me what is acceptable".

This has been addressed by mulitple posters.  18+ is required for pics on MM.  Others have discussed the legality of nudes under 18 in various districts.  All on topic.

Moral/Ethical issues regarding what should be done if one is aware of a felony regarding a minor have been discussed.  Some of us are REQUIRED by professional ethics and LAW to report any case of suspected child abuse.  My personal belief is everyone is ethically compelled to report child abuse.  This has also been stated.

How to report the potential images to CAM has also been discussed.

Further, we have discussed the impossibility of determining chronological age based on physical appearance.  The Tanner Scale has been discussed, and its limitations.

However, these comments do not seem to satisfy the OP.  It seems, imo, he wants some sort of moral outrage and associated response.

Therefore, I provided the appropriate course of action for anyone concerned that a crime against a child might have been committed.  Contact a CAM if you suspect an image is inappropriate.  Contact Law Enforcement if you believe a felony has been committed.

We can discuss the topic as long as anyone is interested.  But if the actual issue is concern for the "children" involved, the options are very limited.

Dont you agree?

Daeda1us wrote:

The very nature of this thread involves "right and wrong", so it can not be immaterial.

The OP asked: "I need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what is not as far as younger models go and nudity. Please define some rules of what is appropriate.

Note: "Please define some rules" and "tell me what is acceptable".

This has been addressed by mulitple posters.  18+ is required for pics on MM.  Others have discussed the legality of nudes under 18 in various districts.  All on topic.

Moral/Ethical issues regarding what should be done if one is aware of a felony regarding a minor have been discussed.  Some of us are REQUIRED by professional ethics and LAW to report any case of suspected child abuse.  My personal belief is everyone is ethically compelled to report child abuse.  This has also been stated.

How to report the potential images to CAM has also been discussed.

Further, we have discussed the impossibility of determining chronological age based on physical appearance.  The Tanner Scale has been discussed, and its limitations.

However, these comments do not seem to satisfy the OP.  It seems, imo, he wants some sort of moral outrage and associated response.

Therefore, I provided the appropriate course of action for anyone concerned that a crime against a child might have been committed.  Contact a CAM if you suspect an image is inappropriate.  Contact Law Enforcement if you believe a felony has been committed.

We can discuss the topic as long as anyone is interested.  But if the actual issue is concern for the "children" involved, the options are very limited.

Dont you agree?

I can't believe I'm still here but I hate to miss something important on such an important topic.  I agree with the facts you are stating.  It's the tone.  The disenchantment of this topic.  Why is it hard to express this thought and ask for feedback without getting verbally attacked?  I don't get that part.  I was in a hurry this morning when I saw this thread and I clearly have plenty to say about the subject.  I didn't give much scrutiny to the OPs question or character frankly.  I don't see that problem.  I don't expect to work with him anyway.  He doesn't seem to be overly concerned about anyone being exploited in particular and has said its not serious enough to warrant notifying the authorities about.  I've seen images I felt the same way about.  The fact is there is so much drama and not to be funny but mayhem about in our times that who knows what's what anymore in any image.   Nearly everything is Photoshoped nowadays in one way or another.  Composites of images advanced in aging, whose to say they can't reverse this process and morph an older model into her own preteenage looking self again.  On closer scrutiny, the OP registers on my long-handle spoon but does not warrant my 10-ft pole if that makes sense to anyone but me.  Maybe it's just the fact that I was ambushed for asking a simple question about RAW format here last year and reading some of the catty replies to this OP brought back the trauma.

Top Level Studio wrote:
Here's a picture of Aki Hoshino, retired bikini model.  She had breast reduction surgery after retiring from that job.  She's 34, believe it or not:  http://www.japantoday.com/category/ente … -kfc-store

Here's a clip of Aki at work.  It's marked 18+, but I don't know why.
   http://www.metacafe.com/watch/961179/aki_hoshino/

This woman is my new idol. That aside.  I almost daily get told I look 15 or younger.  Which I find funny because when I was that age people thought I was 20+.  I just recently turned 19 and I went to go pick up medical records at a place I had been coming to since I was 12, and when I went to go sign the release sheet, the woman snatched it away from me and said "oh no sweetie your mother has to sign that you're not 18 yet."  Needless to say that was the most angry signature ever. lol

My point, don't judge a book by it's cover, no matter how many times you've seen book covers.

Melissa Boneau wrote:
Maybe it's just the fact that I was ambushed for asking a simple question about RAW format here last year and reading some of the catty replies to this OP brought back the trauma.

No problem. We are all shaped by our prior experiences.

Seems for the most part we agree on this issue, so I will sign off for a while and wish you an excellent evening.

Night!

Bizou Photography wrote:
I think I know a budding young teen when I see one.

Now you're just sounding creepy.

Melissa Boneau wrote:
I agree with you about the jaded, what else is there to do part.  However, let me share a true secret of mine.  ...  "on and on!"

I have never read a longer "Off Topic" post than this one!  Did you read the original post before going on and on about your own personal experience that had nothing to do with this thread?   

What the original post written seems to be about is that he allegedly found a photographer profile that had what he perceived to be under aged (minor ages) girls posing nude on the profile right here on Modelmayhem.  If that is indeed true, then he should use the CAM feature and report it.  https://www.modelmayhem.com/contactamod


Here is a the original post;

Bizou Photography wrote:
I was clicking around and I found a photographers profile who only does TFP work and I noticed he has mostly teenagers in his profiles. Younger teens from the look of it.. and a LOT of them. It's pretty much his whole profile. He also has some nude shots where the girls look to be as young as 13-14. Seriously one of the girls looked like she was 'budding'.

I'm curious as to what is appropriate in the 'model world' as to what is appropriate as far as nudity and age goes because I have to say I'm not a prude or anything.. but there's eventually always a line that determines x from y.

I need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what is not as far as younger models go and nudity. Please define some rules of what is appropriate.

He sure is interested in knowing the rules around here as far as minors and nudity!  Sounds creepy to me!  He could read the terms of use, or CAM the moderator with his questions.  His post smells like a troll.

Maybe I'm wrong about the OP's intentions, but I considered that he could be trolling from the start as I have not found a single nude image of a minor on this website.  It's another waste of forum space on a fabricated drama.

Gee, I didn't realize that my 100 something posts were such a waste of forum space responding with my own personal experience as a teen model about the appropriateness of teen models in adult photoshoots our of context.  I believe he asked for feedback about what the community believes and knows for a fact is right.  I can't remember his exact words.  But considering you have 32,000 something posts, you are a forum expert.  My bad.  Now I'm acting catty.  Ta

VW Photo wrote:
Bizou Photography,

In your profile you seemed to have gone to great lengths to say in several sentences what I have summed up in one sentence on my profile.

"Personal note: I don't do nudes.  Not because I don't like them but for business reasons."

Why go to great lengths to imply anything else? It seems like you are inferring photographers are scum...but not me.  That type of thought process just reflects poorly on the photography industry and reflects your immaturity in working in this industry.

Isn't it obvious?  It's a combination of "the boy who cried wolf" and "the wolf in sheep's clothing".

BMI Studio wrote:

FYI: Brooke Shields was never filmed naked in the Blue Lagoon. Any nude scenes were done by an adult body double.

That might be true, but she for sure had nude/topless pictures when she was under 18.

Bizou Photography wrote:
Facts are, art and fashion is filled with lots of lines that 'shoudnt' be crossed. The more jaded we become, the more blurred the lines get to the point it isn't art or fashion anymore - it's something else for another website.

Fact is, you don't know what "art" is.  Art is creative - and hopefully creating something new, and that involves pushing envelopes and often breaking barriers / laws.

And yes - there has been more than one editorial spread in glossy fashion magazines showing the breasts of models younger than 18.

Melissa Boneau wrote:
Gee, I didn't realize that my 100 something posts were such a waste of forum space responding with my own personal experience as a teen model about the appropriateness of teen models in adult photoshoots our of context.  I believe he asked for feedback about what the community believes and knows for a fact is right.  I can't remember his exact words.  But considering you have 32,000 something posts, you are a forum expert.  My bad.  Now I'm acting catty.  Ta

I did not say that all your posts were wasted space.  I said that your very long post about your teenaged experience years ago has nothing to do with the original post of this topic.  Please read the original post;

Bizou Photography wrote:
I was clicking around and I found a photographers profile who only does TFP work and I noticed he has mostly teenagers in his profiles. Younger teens from the look of it.. and a LOT of them. It's pretty much his whole profile. He also has some nude shots where the girls look to be as young as 13-14. Seriously one of the girls looked like she was 'budding'.

I'm curious as to what is appropriate in the 'model world' as to what is appropriate as far as nudity and age goes because I have to say I'm not a prude or anything.. but there's eventually always a line that determines x from y.

I need someone to tell me what is acceptable and what is not as far as younger models go and nudity. Please define some rules of what is appropriate.

There should be no photographers on this website posting nudes of minors ... and if anyone "clicking around" the site should find any, they need to CAM it.  NOT elude to it here in the forums.  It has nothing to do with laws.  What it has to do with the terms of use of this website.  A photographer making you uncomfortable or whatever your story was about does not seem to fit with the original post either.

SPRINGHEEL wrote:
What in the sweet name of fuck is all this nonsense?

It sure was a train that derailed off the tracks big time!

Angela G wrote:

That might be true, but she for sure had nude/topless pictures when she was under 18.

...and there was absolutely nothing sexual about the image what so ever, parental consent and on set, so what's your point?

Rebel Photo wrote:

...and there was absolutely nothing sexual about the image what so ever, parental consent and on set, so what's your point?

The "point" is that nudity of minors in itself is not illegal, yet that is an entirely different topic.  The topic at hand has to do with a photographer posting nude images of what he (the OP) believes to be minors.  If that is true, it is against the terms of use of this website and he should CAM it.  /thread

Rebel Photo wrote:

...and there was absolutely nothing sexual about the image what so ever, parental consent and on set, so what's your point?

Where did you see that, "Catholic Church Fashion Magazine"?

Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
Has anyone stated what country / territory they're in?

I asked....but no response.

Swank Photography wrote:

I asked....but no response.

Hey, how are ya. Haven't see you around.

Nedah Oyin wrote:
Wouldja look at that..?


Still going..

I'm not sure it can die