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Digital Photo PLUS

Posts: 5503

Lorton, Virginia, US

ThatLook Visual Media wrote:
You're being totally evasive to my points.

What's new? If science contradicts their beliefs they dismiss it, if their own religions condemn something they like they dismiss it too. But you have to be flexible with logic and meaning to be a believer.

The way god knew they have eaten from the tree of knowing good from evil was that they realized that nudity was evil and covered their genitalia.

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; scary so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Jan 05 13 04:55 am Link

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MesmerEyes Photography

Posts: 3034

Tyler, Texas, US

Digital Photo PLUS wrote:

What's new? If science contradicts their beliefs they dismiss it, if their own religions condemn something they like they dismiss it too. But you have to be flexible with logic and meaning to be a believer.

The way god knew they have eaten from the tree of knowing good from evil was that they realized that nudity was evil and covered their genitalia.

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; scary so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

So you are saying that the way God knew they had eaten fruit from the tree of knowledge is because He saw them covering up the nudity that he created. Why wouldn't He have seen them eat it?

Jan 05 13 05:12 am Link

Artist/Painter

DGCasey

Posts: 3006

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

New Kidd Imagery wrote:
I thought you had to post an opinion to post in the Soap Box..

I have no opinion on the matter. Just a question.

Well, just post the opinion that God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.  wink

Jan 05 13 04:16 pm Link

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SensualThemes

Posts: 3042

Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, US

DGCasey wrote:

Well, just post the opinion that God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.  wink

My motto

Jan 05 13 04:24 pm Link

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Lisa Andresen

Posts: 8664

Abingdon, Illinois, US

Christians have different views on this hence some Christians being ok with it and some not.

All I can speak on is my view and belief on it. Nudity itself is not a sin it is the motivations and drive behind it that makes a difference.

For me in my life I pick and choose my work carefully out of respect for my husband and my marriage. I don't do images that are sexual in nature not even with clothes on. I do lifestyle stuff and fashion all the main areas of my body are covered. I am also on leadership for my church so I hold myself to a higher standard I don't shoot anything that I think could look bad on my part. Everyone has their own personal convictions on this these are mine. My nudity is for my husband only no photographer will ever see that.

I don't judge others who do nudity it's just not for me personally. I feel for me it would get in the way of my relationship with my husband and with God.

Jan 05 13 09:08 pm Link

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Jules NYC

Posts: 16248

New York, New York, US

Lisa Andresen wrote:
Christians have different views on this hence some Christians being ok with it and some not.

All I can speak on is my view and belief on it. Nudity itself is not a sin it is the motivations and drive behind it that makes a difference.

For me in my life I pick and choose my work carefully out of respect for my husband and my marriage. I don't do images that are sexual in nature not even with clothes on. I do lifestyle stuff and fashion all the main areas of my body are covered. I am also on leadership for my church so I hold myself to a higher standard I don't shoot anything that I think could look bad on my part. Everyone has their own personal convictions on this these are mine. My nudity is for my husband only no photographer will ever see that.

I don't judge others who do nudity it's just not for me personally. I feel for me it would get in the way of my relationship with my husband and with God.

I appreciate what you wrote here.

Jan 05 13 09:15 pm Link

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Two Pears Studio

Posts: 3400

Wilmington, Delaware, US

It is a sin. What else do you need to know? Does what they consider sinning matter to you?

Frankly what ever excuse they choose is good enough for me....

As Billy would say... I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

Jan 05 13 09:20 pm Link

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hygvhgvkhy

Posts: 2092

Chicago, Illinois, US

New Kidd Imagery wrote:
This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

Totally thought/opinion-

Well, it might depend. The to each their own sin comes in to play. I'm catholic, I don't go to church every Sunday because I don't believe in supporting the Catholic Church. But I do believe in some higher power. And have the intention of glamour/nude modeling when I can.

Everyone sees "sinning" differently. I think I don't usually see things as a sin unless you're harming someone else.

And while we're on the Christian subject, because I'm probably not even going to check back here, most loud preach holy Christians I know don't practice what they preach.

Jesus loves everyone. Saints&sinners.

Jan 05 13 09:49 pm Link

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hygvhgvkhy

Posts: 2092

Chicago, Illinois, US

Jules NYC wrote:

I appreciate what you wrote here.

+1 and that's an oddity..

Jan 05 13 09:50 pm Link

Photographer

DeLaLuz

Posts: 167

Long Beach, California, US

It was all that serpents fault...

Jan 05 13 09:57 pm Link

Model

Jules NYC

Posts: 16248

New York, New York, US

I don't see nudity as a saint or sinner type thing. I see nudity as something of beauty if it is done with class and taste. Unfortunately people are so wrapped up in the sexuality of nudity it dismisses the objectivity of its art.

... and just to say, I appreciate Christians that stand up to their provocations without hypocrisy.

Jan 05 13 09:59 pm Link

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Jules NYC

Posts: 16248

New York, New York, US

Just thought of Marilyn Monroe's nudes... She had some great images, none distasteful and she was one of the most celebrated sex symbols.

I've seen images here on this site that supersede those images and not once did I think of the word 'Sinner'... Then again, I'm not a Christian:)

Jan 05 13 10:09 pm Link

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Scott Sansenbach

Posts: 567

Huntington Beach, California, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
thank god i'm an atheist....

Amen to that!

Jan 05 13 10:37 pm Link

Photographer

chasecaleb

Posts: 154

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Lisa Andresen wrote:
Christians have different views on this hence some Christians being ok with it and some not.

All I can speak on is my view and belief on it. Nudity itself is not a sin it is the motivations and drive behind it that makes a difference.

For me in my life I pick and choose my work carefully out of respect for my husband and my marriage. I don't do images that are sexual in nature not even with clothes on. I do lifestyle stuff and fashion all the main areas of my body are covered. I am also on leadership for my church so I hold myself to a higher standard I don't shoot anything that I think could look bad on my part. Everyone has their own personal convictions on this these are mine. My nudity is for my husband only no photographer will ever see that.

I don't judge others who do nudity it's just not for me personally. I feel for me it would get in the way of my relationship with my husband and with God.

Well said.

To add my own voice as a Christian in response to and along with this, I'm going to recognize the fact that there's a difference between nudity and any form of eroticism. Erotic images have one purpose: lust. Lust (and therefore anything with that purpose) is undeniably a sin according to Jesus' own words in the Gospels, so I'm addressing nudity in other forms, such as for the purpose of an artistic picture. Feel free to argue where the line between non-erotic and erotic nudity is all you want, I'm not addressing touching that with a ten foot stick big_smile

I think it's important to start out with recognizing a distinction between absolute sin and personal liberty sin. By that, I mean that some things are universally sinful -- for instance, murder -- and other things it depends from one person or situation to another. In regards to personal liberty in "gray areas" so to speak, the last half of 1st Corinthians 10 is a good reference.

That passage brings up two main points that I think are relevant to the discussion of nudity. First: many things that aren't necessarily sin aren't beneficial. Second: even if something isn't sin, it may be best to avoid it out of love for others who see it as such. There is of course a line in between avoiding being a stumbling block for someone and being dominated by the judgment of every single person with an opinion. That's a whole other discussion.

I think it's hard to biblically support any statement along the lines that "nudity of any form is sinful," even when assuming that we're only talking about outside of marriage. In other words, nudity isn't an absolute sin in the way that I defined it above.

That leaves non-erotic nudity in the realm of personal liberty, unless I'm mistaken. Essentially, I believe it's a person-by-person/situation-by-situation decision as to whether it's sinful. According to the Bible, believers have the spirit of God living inside each of us so that we can personally hear God. One of the purposes of that is for wisdom in understanding whether something like this is right or wrong.

So as a Christian, it's up to me (or you, or whoever) to use my personal liberty and listen to God in order to determine whether nude modeling, photography, etc. is okay or not. Is it causing you to lust over the sexy model that you're photographing? Within the reality stated above that there's a difference between considering others vs pandering to every opinion, is it causing others to lust? Or perhaps a better way of stating it, is the purpose to cause others to lust? Even if not, is it really something beneficial?

In light of that, I personally don't mind seeing the occasional piece of nude artwork -- but I'm not going to encourage someone who thinks otherwise to go to a nude art exhibit either! I would never be interested in nude modeling because I neither have the desirable female body form for it nor am I of the personality to drop all my clothes in front of strangers. In another life, so to speak, maybe I would.

I don't think I would ever photograph nudes either, for a few reasons: it would likely be too much of a temptation (to 21 year old male me) to lust, I don't want to worry about the potential appearance of sin -- or worse, the misconception that eroticism is okay-- that it could give to other Christians, and most importantly of all is that I would hate how it could impact whoever I eventually marry.

So uh, long wall of text done. Pick it apart all you want, but hopefully my main points came across. I'm getting tired tongue

Jan 05 13 11:00 pm Link

Photographer

R A V E N D R I V E

Posts: 15867

New York, New York, US

New Kidd Imagery wrote:
This is a serious question.
This is not directed at any one model as I have had about 3 or 4 models reply to my inquiries about nude modeling and they reply saying "I don't pose nude because I'm Christian".

But I have photographed quite a few "Christian" models in the nude. So if it is against the Christian belief to pose nude, why are there models that ARE Christian posing nude?

Are they sinning?

utah problems

Jan 06 13 12:12 am Link

Model

Lisa Andresen

Posts: 8664

Abingdon, Illinois, US

chasecaleb wrote:

Well said.

To add my own voice as a Christian in response to and along with this, I'm going to recognize the fact that there's a difference between nudity and any form of eroticism. Erotic images have one purpose: lust. Lust (and therefore anything with that purpose) is undeniably a sin according to Jesus' own words in the Gospels, so I'm addressing nudity in other forms, such as for the purpose of an artistic picture. Feel free to argue where the line between non-erotic and erotic nudity is all you want, I'm not addressing touching that with a ten foot stick big_smile

I think it's important to start out with recognizing a distinction between absolute sin and personal liberty sin. By that, I mean that some things are universally sinful -- for instance, murder -- and other things it depends from one person or situation to another. In regards to personal liberty in "gray areas" so to speak, the last half of 1st Corinthians 10 is a good reference.

That passage brings up two main points that I think are relevant to the discussion of nudity. First: many things that aren't necessarily sin aren't beneficial. Second: even if something isn't sin, it may be best to avoid it out of love for others who see it as such. There is of course a line in between avoiding being a stumbling block for someone and being dominated by the judgment of every single person with an opinion. That's a whole other discussion.

I think it's hard to biblically support any statement along the lines that "nudity of any form is sinful," even when assuming that we're only talking about outside of marriage. In other words, nudity isn't an absolute sin in the way that I defined it above.

That leaves non-erotic nudity in the realm of personal liberty, unless I'm mistaken. Essentially, I believe it's a person-by-person/situation-by-situation decision as to whether it's sinful. According to the Bible, believers have the spirit of God living inside each of us so that we can personally hear God. One of the purposes of that is for wisdom in understanding whether something like this is right or wrong.

So as a Christian, it's up to me (or you, or whoever) to use my personal liberty and listen to God in order to determine whether nude modeling, photography, etc. is okay or not. Is it causing you to lust over the sexy model that you're photographing? Within the reality stated above that there's a difference between considering others vs pandering to every opinion, is it causing others to lust? Or perhaps a better way of stating it, is the purpose to cause others to lust? Even if not, is it really something beneficial?

In light of that, I personally don't mind seeing the occasional piece of nude artwork -- but I'm not going to encourage someone who thinks otherwise to go to a nude art exhibit either! I would never be interested in nude modeling because I neither have the desirable female body form for it nor am I of the personality to drop all my clothes in front of strangers. In another life, so to speak, maybe I would.

I don't think I would ever photograph nudes either, for a few reasons: it would likely be too much of a temptation (to 21 year old male me) to lust, I don't want to worry about the potential appearance of sin -- or worse, the misconception that eroticism is okay-- that it could give to other Christians, and most importantly of all is that I would hate how it could impact whoever I eventually marry.

So uh, long wall of text done. Pick it apart all you want, but hopefully my main points came across. I'm getting tired tongue

I think it when it comes down to it God knows what is in our hearts. He knows why we do what we do. There is nothing that we can keep from him. So I make sure my motivations for modeling are strictly for a fun hobby and nothing else. If a man or women photographer is shooting another person nude they just need to think about the motivations behind it and ask themselves why they are doing it. Only God knows their heart and only God can judge it.

Jan 06 13 07:44 am Link

Model

Russian Katarina II

Posts: 2515

London, England, United Kingdom

If nudity wasn't a sin, I would have never made any money as a nude model. I might actually have to work for a living til 65 in some dreary white collar job. The more puritanic a society, the more they fork over money to consume nudity and sex.

Jan 06 13 07:53 am Link

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Julia Francesca

Posts: 2365

Maumee, Ohio, US

not all christians act the same. just like how not all atheists, wiccans, hindus and buddhists act the same. they are individuals. they aren't drones.

Jan 06 13 08:15 am Link

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- Aina -

Posts: 747

Redlands, California, US

I'm spiritual. While I would primarily call myself Christian, I have a very different mentally than most do. I have a great passion for what I do as a nude model, and it's always been something very special to me. It's part of my acting out my beliefs instead of just preaching about them. It requires me to be honest with myself, confident in my choices, and strong as I draw boundaries and/or relate to people who threaten (and I use the word with NO negativity behind it) what I want to partake/contribute to. Modeling nude is a spiritual practice for me. However, I try to make most of my life a conscious practice of what makes up me.

On the flip side, my family (for the most part) is religious as well - particularly my immediate family. The amount of grief and harassment I have received due to my choices particularly with modeling has been very heavy. My parents are right winged (not a bad thing, but that's where they stand) and manipulative at times(a bad thing). Unfortunately, it has potentially threatened my ability to see one of my brothers. "Potentially" being that if I didn't lie about it and pretend that the topic of anything having to do with nudity/sex/drugs/alcohol was evil, I would not be able to see him. To the parents, I lied. To my brothers, we talk IF it comes up. I make it a point for it to not come up most of the time - simply because, especially with the younger one, it's not incredibly important. But, I do want him to see my point of view as well as my parents and, therefore, let him decide for himself. At first, I was angry about it all. I was told I was a "porn star", I'd be raped, killed, have employers shun me, etc. My supposedly supportive and peaceful parents turned the opposite direction. To them, nudity is sexual in all aspects of the word and is to be avoided as it is tempting. I won't hesitate to agree that some nudity just looks damn good. Female or male, I might think, "Wow... Way to rock it" whether that is the subject's intention or not. How often am I getting off to it? Never. I'm "desensitized" to it though. I can see it being overwhelming for some people - especially if it's treated as taboo. That's not the case for me though.

Where I stand with the concept of "tempting" other people is this:
1. If nude people are turning you on to where you NEED to satisfy any urges you must have and feel ashamed of it, then there is a conflict somewhere in your head about something that's going on in your life. Not my problem, but YOU may want to look at it, and I say that with incredible love and care.
2. If what nude models do really offend you that badly, and it becomes a sole focus to the extent that you're living in that negativity, you really ought to turn your attention to something else - like yourself. Something else is going on. It's not the naked person you're looking at.
3. If you TRULY do not like naked people because you have a distaste for naked bodies, don't look at the naked people with naked bodies.
4. If viewing naked people with naked bodies is causing you to sway from your partner, that's a personal issue you should reflect on.

Wow. Long post.

Jan 06 13 09:41 am Link