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Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

As a female photographer, and one with a lot of friends who are female and photographers, I have never seen the point of the escort debate. Pretty much tell me if you are bringing someone and if the shoot is in a small space and too many people want to bring someone I will let you know that we don't have any more room if the place is full up.

I have never worried about my safety. Maybe because I work with a full crew anytime I shoot. Maybe cause I know that pretty much anyone could overpower me, they don't need an escort to do so; BUT, I can't think of a single female photographer I know or have seen on the forums who is anti-escort.

So models and female photographers feel free to chime in, is the anti-escort thing a male/female thing, or have I just not met the right female photographer who doesn't allow escorts.

I don't know if it is gender, or type of photography done (I can't think of a single female "glamour" photographer and escorts seem to come up in glamour photography more than anything else.)

So are there female photographers who are anti-escort or is it strictly a male thing?

POINT OF ORDER- this is not a pro-con thread on escorts. Please do not turn it into one. this is simply about gender dynamics when it comes to allowing models to bring someone with them to set.

Apr 01 12 09:25 am Link

Photographer

A-M-P

Posts: 18265

Orlando, Florida, US

Well my sets usually have tons of people so I don't care if the model brings someone extra.

Apr 01 12 09:34 am Link

Photographer

Robert Lynch

Posts: 2485

Bowie, Maryland, US

Star wrote:
I don't know if it is gender, or type of photography done (I can't think of a single female "glamour" photographer and escorts seem to come up in glamour photography more than anything else.)

Both Suze and Holly Randall.  I have no idea what their respective policies are.

Apr 01 12 09:38 am Link

Photographer

Erlinda

Posts: 7286

London, England, United Kingdom

I'm female and anti-escorts, does that make me a bitch? yikes lol

Apr 01 12 09:41 am Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 39088

Portland, Oregon, US

Erlinda wrote:
I'm female and anti-escorts, does that make me a bitch? yikes lol

No, I think there are other explanations for that!!  tongue















(Mods: April Fools...  I don't think she's a B)

I also think an anti-escort position is reasonable for photographers of either gender, those who are happy to allow them, more power to ya. 

Those to try to use allowing them as a demonstration of how safe they are, shame on you, that's rather creepy over-compensation. 

I tend to agree with the thought that photographers have far more to be concerned about with someone bringing unknown persons to a shoot.  For female photographers (working without teams) this could be an even more legitimate reason for wanting to *not* allow escorts.

As a gender issue, it is probably one based more on personal experiences.  Men and women often see things differently, why should this be any different?

Apr 01 12 09:47 am Link

Photographer

K I S S P H O T O

Posts: 596

Swansea, Wales, United Kingdom

Im female
If they're paying, they can bring the family
If it's tf then i prefer just me & them or any team we use,
I've never thought about MY safety..fuck
aha

Apr 01 12 09:49 am Link

Photographer

A R P - Modelographer

Posts: 63

New York, New York, US

As a model I don't travel with an escort so I cannot respond in that regard. To each his/her own, I suppose.

As a female photographer, I enjoy when the model brings along somebody, especially when on location, because it's an extra set of hands to hold reflectors, etc. I'm not a commercial or established photographer, so I don't have the luxury of assistants. Luckily, I've never dealt with any "divas", even when being paid to shoot, so the "escorts" (that word is so presumptuous) I've dealt with have been helpful, polite, and unintrusive.

No, I've never been concerned about my own safety when dealing with models who bring along somebody else.

Thank goodness for this gal's boyfriend and his help with holding the reflector, or else this photo would have been difficult to get

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110726/21/4e2f97d82462e.jpg

Apr 01 12 09:54 am Link

Photographer

Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

I don't care about gender.

Your escort isn't covered by my insurance. End of discussion.

Apr 01 12 09:55 am Link

Photographer

SME

Posts: 21502

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

I've never had an issue with it.  But then again, I don't think I've ever been treated with the kind of you-might-be-a-rapist-or-a-murderer suspicion that a lot of male photographers are, just on account of the fact that they're male.  I suspect I'd get sensitive to that if it happened to me a lot, too.

Apr 01 12 09:58 am Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

Sophistocles wrote:
I don't care about gender.

Your escort isn't covered by my insurance. End of discussion.

your post has nothing to do with the OP.

Apr 01 12 10:02 am Link

Photographer

Erlinda

Posts: 7286

London, England, United Kingdom

DougBPhoto wrote:

No, I think there are other explanations for that!!  tongue















(Mods: April Fools...  I don't think she's a B)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA lol

Apr 01 12 10:05 am Link

Photographer

BeautybyGod

Posts: 3073

Los Angeles, California, US

Robert Lynch wrote:

Both Suze and Holly Randall.  I have no idea what their respective policies are.

Holly literally has a small army of help at her shoots. smile

Apr 01 12 10:19 am Link

Photographer

Lance DuLac

Posts: 59

Colchester, England, United Kingdom

Why would a woman need an escort when being in the company of another woman? That is the natural state of affairs.

It is only when women are in the company of base and unscrupulous men that an escort becomes necessary.

Apr 01 12 10:28 am Link

Photographer

Through Elizabeths Eyes

Posts: 4916

Yelm, Washington, US

I'm not a huge fan of people bringing escorts, but it's not that big of a deal if they do, as long as they tell me ahead of time.

I've never been overly concerned about my safety either as a model or a photographer, probably because I use common sense and don't shoot with people who I feel I'd need protection around.

And honestly, I'm perfectly capable of protecting myself anyway.

Apr 01 12 10:45 am Link

Model

F Escort

Posts: 20

Detroit, Michigan, US

Lance DuLac wrote:
Why would a woman need an llama herder when being in the company of another woman? That is the natural state of affairs.

It is only when women are in the company of base and unscrupulous men that an llama herder becomes necessary.

exactly.

but ive seen an unscrupulous woman.  Shes got a rack like you wouldnt believe!!

she mine tho...so stay away from my koolaid!

Apr 01 12 10:51 am Link

Photographer

JenniferMaria

Posts: 1773

Miami Beach, Florida, US

If we're shooting outside, I'm fine with the model bringing someone who will help with the shoot.
If we're shooting indoors, the less extra people onset, the better.
I prefer closed sets.

Apr 01 12 10:52 am Link

Photographer

Vlan Photo

Posts: 378

Tucson, Arizona, US

Lance DuLac wrote:
Why would a woman need an escort when being in the company of another woman? That is the natural state of affairs.

It is only when women are in the company of base and unscrupulous men that an escort becomes necessary.

This has been proven true for me. Too many times has a model told me they feel much better with a female photographer. Not saying all male photogs are bad. There is just enough bad ones to make the good ones' job more difficult.

Regarding escorts, I don't care if a model brings one. That hasn't really happened though, I can't recall the last time a model wanted to bring one.

Apr 01 12 11:28 am Link

Photographer

Flex Photography

Posts: 5496

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

Lance DuLac wrote:
Why would a woman need an escort when being in the company of another woman? That is the natural state of affairs.

It is only when women are in the company of base and unscrupulous men that an escort becomes necessary.

Why do you assume her models are female?

Apr 01 12 11:31 am Link

Photographer

Through Elizabeths Eyes

Posts: 4916

Yelm, Washington, US

Lance DuLac wrote:
Why would a woman need an llama herder when being in the company of another woman? That is the natural state of affairs.

It is only when women are in the company of base and unscrupulous men that an llama herder becomes necessary.

Flex Photography wrote:
Why do you assume her models are female?

Why assume females can't be predatory as well as men?

Apr 01 12 11:39 am Link

Photographer

ChanStudio - OtherSide

Posts: 5363

Alpharetta, Georgia, US

Female and their escorts..  I am sure plenty of female out there that do not need escort for any reason.

Apr 01 12 11:40 am Link

Photographer

Robert Lynch

Posts: 2485

Bowie, Maryland, US

Robert Lynch wrote:
Both Suze and Holly Randall.  I have no idea what their respective policies are.

BeautybyGod wrote:
Holly literally has a small army of help at her shoots. smile

I know she does, we have at least one model in common (my other portfolio), but that doesn't necessarily predict one way or the other about how she feels about model escorts.  I know which way I would place a bet on it, but speculation about it would be off-topic.  I only mentioned the Randalls since Star said she didn't know any female glamour photographers, though I think that they both would prefer the term erotica.  I thought perhaps she might want to get in touch with another local, female professional photographer from another genre to get her position on the topic.

Apr 01 12 11:53 am Link

Photographer

Doobie the destroyer

Posts: 418

Kailua, Hawaii, US

More experienced photographers don't want escorts normally because an escort is the models boyfriend. In most cases they emotionally feed off of each other and it normally becomes a huge distraction, usually because the model starts focusing more on her boyfriend than the shoot.

Look at a shoot like a job. Most companies don't want their employee's boyfriend hanging around either.

Personally, I don't want anyone on set that doesn't have a specific job to do.

It's not unreasonable at all for a photographer to not want an escort.

Apr 01 12 12:03 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

Lance DuLac wrote:
Why would a woman need an escort when being in the company of another woman? That is the natural state of affairs.

It is only when women are in the company of base and unscrupulous men that an escort becomes necessary.

the general forums are not the place for your april fools day joke, please dont post inhere again

Apr 01 12 12:04 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

Doobie the destroyer wrote:
More experienced photographers don't want escorts normally because an escourt is the models boyfriend. In most cases they emotionally feed off of each other and it normally becomes a huge distraction, usually because the model starts focusing more on her boyfriend than the shoot.

Look at a shoot like a job. Most companies don't want their employee's boyfriend hanging around either.

Personally, I don't want anyone on set that doesn't have a specific job to do.

It's not unreasonable at all for a photographer to not want an escourt.

are you a woman?

Apr 01 12 12:04 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

ChanStudio - OtherSide wrote:
Female and their escorts..  I am sure plenty of female out there that do not need escort for any reason.

again, what does your post have to do with the OP. Please stop threadjacking

Apr 01 12 12:05 pm Link

Photographer

Doobie the destroyer

Posts: 418

Kailua, Hawaii, US

Star wrote:

are you a woman?

I'm dude.

Apr 01 12 12:07 pm Link

Photographer

Jules K Photography

Posts: 114

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I am writing this from a perspective of a female photographer that shoots mostly male models. Yes, I have had problems with escorts, so I don't allow them anymore. A male model brought his girlfriend along for an early morning shoot, and in the car on the way to my house, decided to tell his gf that "oh, by the way, I'm doing a nude outdoor shoot today." She was livid.

Needless to say, I cancelled the shoot. If looks could kill, I would have been dead on my front porch. The both of them were upset, and I decided not to take the chance of hiking to a remote area and having her throw rocks at me or push me off a cliff.

I believe that a guy having his gf at a shoot would be too distracting, and would take away too much energy from the shoot. He needs to be looking at me and concentrating on me, not the gf. Especially if we are doing implied or nude.

Apr 01 12 12:21 pm Link

Photographer

Erlinda

Posts: 7286

London, England, United Kingdom

Doobie the destroyer wrote:
More experienced photographers don't want escorts normally because an escort is the models boyfriend. In most cases they emotionally feed off of each other and it normally becomes a huge distraction, usually because the model starts focusing more on her boyfriend than the shoot.

Look at a shoot like a job. Most companies don't want their employee's boyfriend hanging around either.

Personally, I don't want anyone on set that doesn't have a specific job to do.

It's not unreasonable at all for a photographer to not want an escort.

This is baloney! roll

Unless you had a sex change and became a women your opinion is pointless here and not needed since Star is asking this question to FEMALE photographers wink

Apr 01 12 12:23 pm Link

Photographer

Doobie the destroyer

Posts: 418

Kailua, Hawaii, US

Jules K Photography wrote:
I am writing this from a perspective of a female photographer that shoots mostly male models. Yes, I have had problems with escorts, so I don't allow them anymore. A male model brought his girlfriend along for an early morning shoot, and in the car on the way to my house, decided to tell his gf that "oh, by the way, I'm doing a nude outdoor shoot today." She was livid.

Needless to say, I cancelled the shoot. If looks could kill, I would have been dead on my front porch. The both of them were upset, and I decided not to take the chance of hiking to a remote area and having her throw rocks at me or push me off a cliff.

I believe that a guy having his gf at a shoot would be too distracting, and would take away too much energy from the shoot. He needs to be looking at me and concentrating on me, not the gf. Especially if we are doing implied or nude.

It would be. The majority of the time I had problems with couples. I had someone say, "Why don't you give me that look?!" Then the fighting started.

There are a few models I work with that I allow to bring their boyfriends to shoots, but I personally know the guys, and put them to work on the shoot...then we drink beer after.

Apr 01 12 12:29 pm Link

Photographer

Doobie the destroyer

Posts: 418

Kailua, Hawaii, US

Erlinda wrote:

This is baloney! roll

Unless you had a sex change and became a women your opinion is pointless here and not needed since Star is asking this question to FEMALE photographers wink

No sex change needed. I can tuck it, wear bra, and put on an absurd amount of make up.

Hell, if I do it right she'll be asking me to teach her how to work the cat walk....

Apr 01 12 12:33 pm Link

Photographer

DANACOLE

Posts: 10172

Oslo, Oslo, Norway

I'm a female photographer and I don't allow escorts for model shoots.
So its just not a guy thing smile


For my family and kid work however, ofcourse.

Apr 01 12 12:35 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11921

Olivet, Michigan, US

Star wrote:
As a female photographer, and one with a lot of friends who are female and photographers, I have never seen the point of the escort debate. Pretty much tell me if you are bringing someone and if the shoot is in a small space and too many people want to bring someone I will let you know that we don't have any more room if the place is full up.

I have never worried about my safety. Maybe because I work with a full crew anytime I shoot. Maybe cause I know that pretty much anyone could overpower me, they don't need an escort to do so; BUT, I can't think of a single female photographer I know or have seen on the forums who is anti-escort.

So models and female photographers feel free to chime in, is the anti-escort thing a male/female thing, or have I just not met the right female photographer who doesn't allow escorts.

I don't know if it is gender, or type of photography done (I can't think of a single female "glamour" photographer and escorts seem to come up in glamour photography more than anything else.)

So are there female photographers who are anti-escort or is it strictly a male thing?

POINT OF ORDER- this is not a pro-con thread on escorts. Please do not turn it into one. this is simply about gender dynamics when it comes to allowing models to bring someone with them to set.

I know of female photographers who don't allow, and even mock the idea of, escorts.

The part I have never understood is model / photographers who demand an escort when modeling with a photographer who they CAN check up on, but who, as a photographer, allow models to bring an escort who they know nothing about.

Apr 01 12 12:43 pm Link

Model

F Escort

Posts: 20

Detroit, Michigan, US

Erlinda wrote:
I'm female and anti-escorts, does that make me a bitch? yikes lol

You HAVE to allow escorts.  Its just....its....YOU HAVE TO!!!

Apr 01 12 04:11 pm Link

Model

BuxomBeauty

Posts: 68

Tampa, Florida, US

I haven't been on here long, but I have been active on other modeling websites and such. I would say that in my experience, zero of the female photographers I've worked with had an issue with me bringing an escort. And all but one male photographer was opposed to the idea of me bringing an escort.

*shrugs*

To each their own, I suppose.

Apr 01 12 04:22 pm Link

Photographer

afplcc

Posts: 6016

Fairfax, Virginia, US

I'm male.  I'm fine with escorts (most of the time).

I've mentored two female photographers.  Both had problems with the "escort issue."  In one case, the photographer was being hit on by the male model (so she felt compelled to bring an "assistant"--another male--b/c she was getting weird vibes from the model).  In the case of the second photographer, she'd been robbed once so didn't like being outnumbered in a shoot...she was anti-escort.  If the model insisted on bringing one than she'd find someone to bring on her side.

Ed

Apr 01 12 07:00 pm Link

Model

Laura UnBound

Posts: 27563

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Im female, I take pictures, I dont allow escorts.

Apr 01 12 09:02 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23027

Salem, Oregon, US

we allow escorts and haven't had any major problems. but i do shoot with the wife so there is estrogen onboard.

Apr 01 12 09:22 pm Link

Photographer

Swank Photography

Posts: 19019

Big Pine Key, Florida, US

Star wrote:
As a female photographer, and one with a lot of friends who are female and photographers, I have never seen the point of the escort debate. Pretty much tell me if you are bringing someone and if the shoot is in a small space and too many people want to bring someone I will let you know that we don't have any more room if the place is full up.

I have never worried about my safety. Maybe because I work with a full crew anytime I shoot. Maybe cause I know that pretty much anyone could overpower me, they don't need an escort to do so; BUT, I can't think of a single female photographer I know or have seen on the forums who is anti-escort.

So models and female photographers feel free to chime in, is the anti-escort thing a male/female thing, or have I just not met the right female photographer who doesn't allow escorts.

I don't know if it is gender, or type of photography done (I can't think of a single female "glamour" photographer and escorts seem to come up in glamour photography more than anything else.)

So are there female photographers who are anti-escort or is it strictly a male thing?

POINT OF ORDER- this is not a pro-con thread on escorts. Please do not turn it into one. this is simply about gender dynamics when it comes to allowing models to bring someone with them to set.

I'm a woman photographer (and I often work alone) and quite frankly don't give a rats ass if someone brings an escort to the shoot.

As long as they don't interefere with my damn set, who cares?

Apr 01 12 09:44 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 43372

Salinas, California, US

Through Elizabeths Eyes wrote:
I'm not a huge fan of people bringing llama herders, but it's not that big of a deal if they do, as long as they tell me ahead of time.

I've never been overly concerned about my safety either as a model or a photographer, probably because I use common sense and don't shoot with people who I feel I'd need protection around.

And honestly, I'm perfectly capable of protecting myself anyway.

also ...
Why assume females can't be predatory as well as men?

So ok, I am a male photographer, but I'm of the same mind set as you are on this subject.  As long as people communicate with me in advance about wanting to bring someone, I'm fine with it.  I've never had any problems with people being at a photo shoot with the exception of one time when the boyfriend of one of the models showed up uninvited.   I asked him to leave, and he did so although reluctantly. 

As for females being predatory, that has happened to me when I was in my early 20's and not using common sense.  You might have already read this since I've posted about being basically kidnapped by two females right after the photo shoot.  I met these two Germany women at a nightclub.  One was just so drop dead gorgeous that I wanted to shoot with her.  She said that she modeled in East Germany and would like to come to my studio that night to shoot. 

The session went well as I shot 2 rolls of black and white film on her.  Then just as I ended the session, she demanded that I process the film, make proof sheets, and give her the negatives plus proof sheets right away!   That if I did not cooperate, there was two of them against one of me.  They would scream rape, or perhaps just "beat my ass right there" claiming self defense.  They even had the nerve to tell me that this was how they build their portfolios in their home land of Germany! 

I argued with them all the way, but these two women knew that I could process the black and white film, but needed to drive to my darkroom, so they took me in their car.  Once I processed the film, and printed the proof sheets.  They then claimed that they had false ID's to get in the club, and I would never be able to find them.  So they took the proofs

Apr 01 12 11:28 pm Link

Photographer

Erlinda

Posts: 7286

London, England, United Kingdom

CurvesGalore wrote:
I haven't been on here long, but I have been active on other modeling websites and such. I would say that in my experience, zero of the female photographers I've worked with had an issue with me bringing an escort. And all but one male photographer was opposed to the idea of me bringing an escort.

*shrugs*

To each their own, I suppose.

I see it this way, if a 14,15,16and 17 year olds can come shoot with me without an escort then so can a 20 year old female.

I was a model before I started photographer. I understand being safe and all. So why not have your escort drop you off meet the photographer quickly and then pick you up at the end of the shoot? That's what I did.... Some times my escort never even met the photographer.

Do you have an escort along with you when you go to a job interview or just go to work? Doubt it.

Not to mention it's bad enough I am meeting you for the first time but then you also bring another random person I have to be aware of during the shoot? My attention span is not that great LOL tongue

Apr 02 12 12:25 am Link