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Hello, i've been accepted to llama for Suicide Girls but have heard some rumours. I know they pay the llama and photographer each $500/set. And it seems that they are saying anytime they use a photo of yours thereafter you'll recieve an additional $500, but I could be mistaken. I love the idea of SG and how lighthearted and fun it seems but before I continue anything with them I was wanting your alls opinions on them, their contract, and anything else. I hear they do some shady stuff with the photos since they own the copyright to the photos, does anyone know what those rumours are about. Also does anyone think I'd be better off with another company/agency or even with freelance? Since once you sign with SG you can't llama for any rival companies, which I don't even know would be. Help please! I look forward to read your advice, opinions, and experience. (: Jun 04 12 03:10 pm Link Nancey wrote: Why guess when you can read the contract? Do you not understand the contract nor the FAQ? Jun 04 12 03:16 pm Link This topic actually has popped up quite often in the past. There are a lot of threads you can read through to get information to help you decide if it's worth it or not.  https://www.sendu.me.uk/modelmayhem/?te … rt_order=0 Jun 04 12 03:18 pm Link Rival companies would be places like Gods Girls. I know some Suicide Girl models and they are very happy with it. They also do things like web chat hosting for places like My Free Cams, which I don't think contradicts with the contract since it's a different line of work. You are also able to freelance model for photographers that aren't represented by rival companies (ie Gods Girls etc) Good luck, have fun, be safe Jun 04 12 03:19 pm Link Nancey wrote: once upon a time they stood for something. they were supposed to be the anti-playboy. i wouldn't give them a second glance now. Jun 04 12 04:00 pm Link you get 500/set ONLY if they use your set. You can shoot 200 sets in the next 2 years and never get picked, and never make a dime, all while being told you can't work in other avenues because of your contract. You could make 500 bucks in a week doing nude modelling here (with some experience and the right portfolio, and being in the proper market) and theres no contract keeping you from doing anything else. Experience and a good portfolio is something you're going to want regardless, so it doesn't hurt you at all to get those. Your location will be just as much of a hinderance to getting a SG set shot as it will be in getting paid work. Jun 04 12 04:53 pm Link there are a lot of SG girls on zivity. Jun 04 12 04:56 pm Link I wish you had done some research before joining. *Sigh* Jun 04 12 05:05 pm Link Two words: Gods Girls. More freedom, smaller amount of girls so it's more exclusive, if you become inactive you don't get archived, the list goes on... It's just all around the board a better place to be in the altporn world. Jun 04 12 05:05 pm Link hartcons wrote: SG girls with ACTIVE contracts? Sounds like a bad idea. Zivity is another nude paysite. Jun 04 12 05:23 pm Link They use that "accept" term very loosely up front. Why deny and piss someone off/lose a fan? They string many along on hopes. Of course, it's really best to just avoid them and do your own thing anyway. Jun 04 12 06:33 pm Link Leonard Gee Photography wrote: Some parts are a bit confusing, that is why I'm asking. Jun 04 12 07:28 pm Link Darling Kyttie wrote: Before joining SuicideGirls? I love them regardless. Despite what people say about them not standing for anything anymore and accepting anyone, even girls without tattoos. If anyone would look at the girls who've been with them for years and have 30-50 sets purchased, they would see that even they started with very few tattoos if any. It's beautiful to look through their sets and watch the art grow. Also, I've only ever met nice people on SG. I love to blog there and hear other members feedback. (: I'm just not sure if I want to model for them. Jun 04 12 07:38 pm Link Everyone gets accepted these days. They just want free sets. Jun 04 12 07:40 pm Link Nancey wrote: Thats just it, they don't stand for anything anymore. They are here to make money off hopefuls like you now. In fact the two women who started it have little or nothing to do with the company anymore. Now its just a mess. Sorry but its true. Jun 04 12 08:05 pm Link i got the impression some of them were refugees. i don't know much about SG except that i've never heard anyone say anything good about it, at least from the photographer's point of view. zivity doesn't pay photographers or models directly. instead members (fans, photographers and models) vote on sets and those votes translate into money for model and photographer (model gets more). for my part i've made about $200 on 14 sets (and most of that money was because of two sets with a very popular model). Laura UnBound wrote: Jun 04 12 10:55 pm Link One of my favorite photographers back in the day got into a real nasty expensive litigation with SG, he was a staff photographer at the time. That's when I started to discredit SG, they became this money hungry bully. When you have time google lithium picnic and SG, if I remember correctly it started around 2004-2005, when on after that for a few years. Jun 04 12 11:06 pm Link Laura UnBound wrote: This is so important for girls to read. Jun 04 12 11:54 pm Link Alabaster Crowley wrote: Yup, and I know I would. I believe they pay photographers what, $100 per live set, and we sign copyright over? No way would I do that without being compensated much more. Jun 05 12 12:03 am Link You know I looked at GG and I'm just not liking it.  I find SG to be alot more artistic and tasteful.Jun 05 12 01:31 am Link Alabaster Crowley wrote: Actually it's $60 per set, they still have to approve of it(but if you follow the guidelines they're more than likely accepted). There's a maximum amount of sets you can turn in per month, like 3-5, can't remember. At least when I was active back in the day there. Jun 05 12 01:41 am Link Nancey wrote: GG focuses more on the porn aspect of it. i'm just going to be blunt about the SG, your not going to get very far with them. it's mostly all about favorites and like playboy, the favorites are usually still the most beautiful. yes they accepect anyone but you aren't going to get much work, recognition or popularity or sets or anything unless your the top of the crop, it's like that with any site though i would imagine. Jun 05 12 02:02 am Link Lindsay Ryan wrote: +1000000 Jun 05 12 05:09 am Link Why? So you can be published in a magazine (maybe)? It just seems like you can make a lot more money doing nude modeling on your own and keeping the money for yourself. Just an opinion. Jun 05 12 08:19 am Link zivity is also about favorites but not so much centered on the playboy types (more favoring the alt girls i would say and the quirky, creative ones). what's tough is that you can make a good set and it can get almost no votes. the voting can be very uneven, just depends on what the fans are interested in at the time (photographers/models vote as well but not usually in large blocs). the folks who are making the good money are cranking out several sets a week. but you see posts from once-popular models who complain that they only made $25 for the month. it's not a place i would want to rely on for more than hobby income. although if you can get 500 votes on your set then i think that works out to $300 for the model ($150 for the photographer). Lindsay Ryan wrote: Jun 05 12 09:40 am Link A SG wanted me to sign a contract/release for my photos of her and a DVD of the entire take.. I'm glad she was up front with the paperwork before we ever started shooting. I made a copy of her paperwork bundle and handed it back to her and walked her out the door. Jun 05 12 09:48 am Link Suicide girls is a joke. I wouldnt do it. For all their loophole contracts. Nah. Theres other ways to get money and publications. Jun 05 12 10:18 am Link Actually, I am a SuicideGirl and I don't think it's that bad, from a model point of view. I just had to sign a release where it's staten that I cannot model for competitor sites - which are pay-sites featured with alternative girls, not just any site that pays models and not just any alternative models site (for sample, some SG are famous Front Army models!). It's way more free than before. I guess that working as a non-staff photographer is not as good, as you basically sell the copyright on the pics you take when they buy them from you - and if you're not from the staff*, you don't get 500$ but less. [* photographers become members of the staff after they got 5 set bought] The only thing I can complain about, it's that the spirit of the site has changed a lot in these years: you don't need to be really alternative - actually, some of the most featured girls have a classic and very mainstream beauty (I lost count of the boobjob I've seen on there!). Also, the majority of the set that get the front page lack in creativity... no bueno, I know. Also, the numbers of sets submitted per day, the numbers of SG and Hopeful girls is incredibly high: getting staff to buy your set isn't that easy. So forget to make good money out of it: you'll be lucky enough to make 500$ a year! Again, forget to become "famous": few girls from the site did so, some of them work in the hq in LA or were already well-known alt models, they usually go to tattoo convention and travel a lot. Aside from this, it's a pretty cool community and I enjoy it a lot. I've submitted 3 sets and just 1 got on the front page, so the money wasn't that much, but it helps being noticed in the underground/alternative panorama: you get booked for music video, photoshooting, you got asked for interview about what SG is... I don't think it works this way in the US as well, but here in Italy SG is still something unknown and "different". Jun 05 12 10:48 am Link Broken Doll wrote: i'm going to be brutal and honest here AGAIN (not trying to crush her dreams, just being realistic) Jun 05 12 11:02 am Link just need to hustle. Suicide girls messes up other opportunities for hustling. Lots of people have paid sites anyhow. and some you dont have to even be very erotic. People just like looking at breaststssts. Why ruin the cash flow Jun 05 12 11:05 am Link katlyn lacoste wrote: thats very true too! Jun 05 12 11:08 am Link Nancey wrote: If you are considering signing a binding contract and don't understand parts of it, you should see an attorney and not rely on advice of people on an Internet forum. Jun 05 12 11:56 am Link SG = shite Jun 05 12 03:36 pm Link Broken Doll wrote: BECAUSE YOU ARE IN ITALY - some notes about SG and Europe Jun 05 12 07:51 pm Link I will NEVER shoot anything for SG!! They can take their contract and shove it up their proverbial poop shutes!!! Jun 05 12 08:00 pm Link I have a friend who knows someone who used to date a SG model, and he's friends with a lot of them. This is not the most reliable but really consider this: Apparently most of the models only stay with them for about half a year because after the first 'debut' month, they don't really care about their girls aside from the really famous ones. The thing is that after the initial hype, you're just another SG girl and they won't care about keeping you on because they already own all of the images that you took. Just consider that. Jun 06 12 01:34 am Link Nancey wrote: *Face palm* Jun 06 12 08:32 am Link Darling Kyttie wrote: +10000 Jun 06 12 11:32 am Link SuicideGirls tried to hire me when I was 21 and I turned them down after lots of research... Their system is not fair to models and their contracts are not fair to photographers.. there are other similar sites out there... But personally I've never found one I liked.. So I started my own... If you can't find any you like.. Check out www.sinful-kittens.com It'll be launching in the near future.. Jun 06 12 12:25 pm Link First, it's 500$ per set... and after they have paid, they own the set, so to get paid again, you need to send a new set, and have it approved. Odds are, if your first set hasn't got much appreciation, you won't have one more approved. You will have then signed a non compete contract to them, and would have to pass on other paid shoots for other sites... Also, a not staff photographer is paid 100$ for a 40 to 60 pictures set, along with passing the copyright. And another ridiculous 100$ for retouching 40 to 60 pictures! Crap!!! 200$ and they are also bound by a non compete agreement? If it's a friend you are asking to shoot you for SG, you are doing him no favor unless he understand this very well and isn't concerned at all by this bull. And to answer someone else's claim, even after 5 approved set, there is no warranty that you will be accepted as a staff photographer. They are also looking at model's safety, overall quality of the sets, and probably won't accept a new staff photographer in a city that has already one. Do it if you want, but don't count on it to bring a lot of money. Jun 06 12 02:26 pm Link |
