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What you decide to do is up to you, but I think you should read up on the matter. I refuse to have anything to do with SG, simply because I think their business practices stink. IMO opinion, they are not nice people and I won't shoot anything that will end up on their site. Jun 06 12 02:37 pm Link If you are looking for an alternative, Zivity is a good place to look. I have no part in SG and assume I would not go over very well there. Plus, the contracts have always turned me off. I am going to give you some advice and insight on Zivity assuming you can shoot for them. To my knowledge there are a few SG's on Zivity and some of them seem fairly well known so I would guess that SG knows about it most likely. I also do not think they are direct competitors. As a model (called an artist) on Zivity, you pose for photographers (also artists) who are also members of the site. Some models, like myself, also shoot self shot sets. Sets usually consist of 10 to 30 photos (approx) though I have seen some lower and some much higher. I usually shoot around 15 to 20 myself. Most sets start with the model somewhat dressed, and end with her topless or nude. However, there are models who do not pose nude or show nipple (though they do tend to be topless, but covering). I do full nudes. Zivity tends to stay away from the full on open leg and crotch shots for the sake of crotch shots. They also do not allow blood (fake or otherwise), penetration, masturbation, etc. Anyway, subscribers (also called fans) as well as the artists are able to view the sets. If they like the set they can cast dollar-backed votes on the set. For each vote cast (as of my last check) the model gets 55 cents, the photographer gets 30 cents, and Zivity gets the rest. Self shot models get 55 cents per vote. The real point to success on the site is the model being active and interacting with the fans. This means replying to messages, updating your status, and having new sets at least a couple times a month. To give you an idea, the last quarter I was paid for (Jan thru Mar), I published about a set a week (mine were all self shot) and got around 990 votes, my check was just over $550. This quarter I have already passed that and we're only a bit more than a month in. I spend at least a couple hours a day messaging fans, promoting my sets, etc. I would say I am probably in the lower end of the higher range because I have built up a bit of a fan base and I know what they like to see. There are other models who do a lot better than me, but they are shooting with professional photographers with very stylized sets and some of them shoot a bit more explicit or overt content than I do. The thing that attracted me, and keeps me there, is the community and the way the artists (models and photographers) are highlighted. I like the fact that there is a community feel to it and for the most part things stay pretty clean. I have had some things said in private messages that were not, but in general the fans (or at least my fans) respect the photos as beautiful and artistic in many cases. It is very classy and respectful. Again, I know next to nothing about SG or GG so maybe they are like this too. From what I have heard they are not, but I have no first hand experience. Oh and some other differences to a couple other sites I looked into: You do retain copyrights to your photos on Zivity. I believe the way they word it that they get a usage license? Anyway, the photos are still copyrighted to the photographer. You are free to use the images elsewhere. PS: I am an ambassador for the site and it would look awfully good on me to bring in a few new artists, so if any body is interested, let me know so I can get you started with an invite and stuff ^_~ Jun 07 12 09:04 am Link those may be the rules but i've been surprised at the amount of hooha i've seen on zivity not to mention implied masturbation. i was told that the rules came about because of their association with paypal. still, they don't allow stuff like multiple people (although you can get around that by having the 2nd person not be identifiable) or use of toys so it's cleaner than some places. and many sets are on the tamer side, especially when the model is new. but i wouldn't want to see it get any more porny. to me a possible downside of zivity lies in the incentives. people go nuts trying to get votes and offer up all sorts of crazy stuff for voting (5 votes gets you extra hot pics). incentives are supposed to follow the site rules but i've certainly seen ones that i feel didn't. and i remember one stripper saying "i'll basically do whatever in exchange for votes" hmmm there are plenty of strippers and webcam girls plus some pornstars on zivity. lately a lot of models have been becoming photographers and also doing self-shot sets. if that trend continues maybe there will be less need for non-model photographers. and there can be a lot of drama, especially amongst the top models fighting for votes. several top models and photographers recently left after such a skirmish. and then there was the guy suspected of getting a bit too hands-on. i guess zivity is like any other community. always plenty of stuff going down. but overall i think the work is excellent. Dekilah wrote: Jun 07 12 09:17 am Link hartcons wrote: They have recently started getting a bit more selective about the whole "crotch shot" thing. I know when I first started there was a lot more than there is now. Yes, you will see labia with some girls, but not the legs spread apart stuff as much (in newer stuff, obviously the old sets are still there). As for the implied masturbation, again, not in the newer stuff. And if it gets reported they will remove anything they missed. to me a possible downside of zivity lies in the incentives. people go nuts trying to get votes and offer up all sorts of crazy stuff for voting (5 votes gets you extra hot pics). incentives are supposed to follow the site rules but i've certainly seen ones that i feel didn't. and i remember one stripper saying "i'll basically do whatever in exchange for votes" hmmm Again, that is changing. Last I heard they were working on a way to incorporate the incentives into the site so they can watch them a bit better. And regardless of what people are doing, I do not do those things and I do pretty well. I do give extras, usually just about 10 more shots from the same session, but lately I have not been doing those until later on after the set goes live and I am still getting about the same number of votes. there are plenty of strippers and webcam girls plus some pornstars on zivity. I am sure there are. But Zivity is a fairly open community. As long as you follow the rules, they take anybody. Or at least that has been what I have seen. lately a lot of models have been becoming photographers and also doing self-shot sets. if that trend continues maybe there will be less need for non-model photographers. I seriously doubt we will see that. I think models get much more out of sets shot be very talented photographers than with self shot sets in most cases. And some of the self shot models are actually photographers who also decided to model, so they still have photographer accounts as well. You see very few models who are exclusively self shot. I am an exception and I would be shooting more sets with photographers if I could find any in my area and work it around my schedule. and there can be a lot of drama, especially amongst the top models fighting for votes. several top models and photographers recently left after such a skirmish. and then there was the guy suspected of getting a bit too hands-on. I think any time you have a bunch of people in competition, especially women in regards being attractive, you are going to have issues. And with models and photographers you will always have guys who cannot keep their hands to themselves. I caught the tail end of that skirmish, though I never really got what it was about. One of the things myself and a few of the other ambassadors are working on is trying to push out the negativity and bring in even more support and such, especially between models. Jun 07 12 09:55 am Link I once shot a set for SG, but then started to see the pattern, its a company run by peers, if they like you , or know you ,Your set gets bought, that simple. Self promotion at its most corrupt level Aug 15 14 07:18 am Link Nancey wrote: Honestly, I wouldn't take things further than what you have done by asking questions here. As a photographer, because of their contract and they way they treat photographers there, I'd just work with the next model. It wouldn't be anything against the model herself, except the set is for SG, and I don't want anything to do with them, but that's me. Good luck, and I hope what I've said along with what others have said helps you with your decision. Aug 15 14 01:34 pm Link I am a Suicide Girl since 2011 and I'm pretty happy with it. No, you won't get rich by becoming a SG: competition is tough, tons of girls submit tons of photosets every month so the chance to be chosen are very little. I've been modeling for the site for four years, I've submitted 6 sets and just 3 of them made it to the front page (500$ x 3 = 1500$ in 3 years). No, being a SG won't make you famous or popular nor will improve your modeling career: I know a lot of tattooed non-SG models who work full time, and I know SG ladies who don't give a care about starting modeling - and all the in-betweens. Yes, you'll have fun if you take the whole SG thing as it should be taken - which means a way to meet interesting people from around the world, enjoy an online community and take pictures for the fun of it. Yes, getting in touch with photographers and other models could give you more contacts (clothes shops, magazines, etc.) but it really depends on you as a model - not as a SG! : [oops this is so old and I already answered!] Aug 17 14 03:08 am Link Why resurrect a 2 year old thread? Aug 17 14 03:22 am Link aspergianLens wrote: Suicide Ducks need moar internetz? Aug 17 14 03:38 am Link Red Light Imagery wrote: I shot a model once! Aug 17 14 04:11 am Link Maybe SG have changed their policy. I believe it's important have freedom of choice. if you like genres such: Latex fashion, Fetish, Glamour, Pin up, Burlesque, Art, Lingerie... you may have a look to ShinyQueens . com it’s for both photographers and models. 70%-97% revenues are shared with Artits Mar 18 15 10:14 am Link An exclusive contract with no guarantee of anything good is never a good thing. Mar 18 15 10:22 am Link Eye of the World wrote: This. Mar 18 15 12:50 pm Link  Moderator Note!aspergianLens wrote: So we are all on the same page, this thread is more than two years old. I am not sure why it was awoken now, but the OP is no longer on the site. Responding to her two your old questions makes no sense. Mar 18 15 01:07 pm Link ontherocks wrote: Likewise, I have never heard any model, (save the OP,)say anything good about them. Mar 19 15 03:09 am Link |
