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Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7307

New York, New York, US

She definitely lost out. She mistakenly has an ulterior motive really to respond the way she did. She must of had some other ideas in mind for your shoot...I am just guessing but it looks that way!...

Jan 30 13 09:24 pm Link

Model

Amadea T

Posts: 3682

Columbus, Ohio, US

Yup, foolish.

This old geezer is one of my favorites, y'all.

Going back for more here shortly.

Jan 30 13 11:11 pm Link

Photographer

Select Models

Posts: 36284

Upland, California, US

Mark Salo wrote:
This thread is nearly as old as the OP.

Nah... I've met the OP several times... Phillip's a waycool dude... borat... AND... he's easily over 70 years older than this thread... lol

Jan 31 13 12:57 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Art of the nude wrote:
Hey, credit me if you quote me.  big_smile

Samantha Emme wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOL hahah yes you did actually say that on our shoot big_smile
Sad part is you aren't the only photographer subjected to the horror of my accidental bewbsss.

smile

I thought about it, and I think I said "your breast is beautiful, but I'm pretty sure you don't want to show it off."  And, of course, you made the adjustments.

Jan 31 13 03:08 am Link

Photographer

Wolfy4u

Posts: 1103

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

When models ask about my age, I simple tell them that it means that I've had more time to learn how to make the female body look better in photos.

Jan 31 13 03:29 am Link

Photographer

Amul La La

Posts: 862

London, England, United Kingdom

You should have said your to young to know what Nudes are my love!

Wow the idiocy of some people, ever so bewildering, are these people really born lol

Jan 31 13 03:37 am Link

Photographer

Amul La La

Posts: 862

London, England, United Kingdom

Phillip Ritchie  wrote:
I just had a message from a MM model that had asked to do a nude erotic shoot with me,
I replied yes, this is her reply 

hey Phillip
OMG I have to cancel my shoot with you as I just read your front page thing wow your as old as my grandpa ,
so it's feels really weird to be naked , I think you do beautiful pics

sorry hope you understand xxxxxxxxxxxx


, I sort of do under stand but dam now I feel really old LOL

does any one else think that maybe you can be become to old to shoot nudes,
my work is more erotic than just nude maybe she thinks I should not still be thinking like that ,

thoughts any one  I have also told her I just put it on the forum maybe she will come in and reply , I am not upset just make s me think

P.s she's not a nude model, shes' not a Model, she's just an arse.

Jan 31 13 03:39 am Link

Photographer

Stephoto Photography

Posts: 19839

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

WHY WHY do people have a compelling need to bump old threads?

Jan 31 13 03:49 am Link

Photographer

Raoul Isidro Images

Posts: 6338

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

"The Model Mayhem Forum decided that at 70 I am not too old to shoot nudes"

---OP's port

.

Jan 31 13 03:52 am Link

Photographer

Drew Smith Photography

Posts: 5210

Nottingham, England, United Kingdom

Phillip - you are a god of art nude, dude!

You're work is that freakin good that even I'd pose nude for you!

Her (huge) loss.

Forget it and move on.

Jan 31 13 03:56 am Link

Photographer

Cal

Posts: 709

Santa Ana, California, US

Maybe she didn't want to be responsibility!!
She must think the world of herself and was afraid that Phillip would see her naked beauty and have a heart attack!

Jan 31 13 04:53 am Link

Photographer

4point0

Posts: 687

Los Angeles, California, US

70 is the new 50.

As for the "model": "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White.

Jan 31 13 07:13 am Link

Model

Jojo West

Posts: 972

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Phillip Ritchie  wrote:
I just had a message from a MM model that had asked to do a nude erotic shoot with me,
I replied yes, this is her reply 

hey Phillip
OMG I have to cancel my shoot with you as I just read your front page thing wow your as old as my grandpa ,
so it's feels really weird to be naked , I think you do beautiful pics

sorry hope you understand xxxxxxxxxxxx


, I sort of do under stand but dam now I feel really old LOL

does any one else think that maybe you can be become to old to shoot nudes,
my work is more erotic than just nude maybe she thinks I should not still be thinking like that ,

thoughts any one  I have also told her I just put it on the forum maybe she will come in and reply , I am not upset just make s me think

Lol sounds like she was too much of a child. Honestly I think I'd be more comfortable shooting with you because you're older *shrug*. There are too many folks out there that have ideas about "age appropriate" things, yeah ok, if i'm 70 maybe I should pass on the mini skirt, but being an older photographer just means you've got all those years of experience under your belt, and in most cases a lot more mature and professional.

So...when are we shooting? Lol

Jan 31 13 10:25 am Link

Model

Aah

Posts: 79

Los Angeles, California, US

IrisSwope wrote:
Maybe it was the actual straddling the model in the shot on your front page that made her uncomfortable, not your actual age?

I have done this many times with photographers, or sitting across from them, knees touching with their lens all up in my grill... but have been in the industry for 15 years. I have never ever not once ever had a photographer make a sexual advance on me, or do anything creepy except ONE time with a MM "no escort" GWC and it wasn't that bad he was just making creepy noises and licking his lips. You need to understand that these are model mayhem girls, not industry pros like yourself. The straddling picture is a model mayhem girl's worst nightmare, and what they are constantly warned about. At the same time, if anything is off about a person or the shoot I will not even set one up because there is a valid safety concern. She wasn't scared of you she just changed her mind about a shoot because she was uncomfortable and didn't think the shoot would produce usable images. No big deal, move on, no need to put her on blast. :-)

Jan 31 13 11:03 am Link

Photographer

Kenfolio

Posts: 113

Burke, Virginia, US

My thoughts:

I'm old enough to know the difference between "you're" and "your."

The cash is real.

If I'm as old as your grandpa, you probably can beat me up if necessary.

When I can't hold up the camera anymore, I can put it on a tripod.

Jan 31 13 11:17 am Link

Model

Sarah Willman

Posts: 42

Dickinson, North Dakota, US

Phillip Ritchie  wrote:
I just had a message from a MM llama that had asked to do a nude erotic shoot with me,
I replied yes, this is her reply 

hey Phillip
OMG I have to cancel my shoot with you as I just read your front page thing wow your as old as my grandpa ,
so it's feels really weird to be naked , I think you do beautiful pics

sorry hope you understand xxxxxxxxxxxx


, I sort of do under stand but dam now I feel really old LOL

does any one else think that maybe you can be become to old to shoot nudes,
my work is more erotic than just nude maybe she thinks I should not still be thinking like that ,

thoughts any one  I have also told her I just put it on the forum maybe she will come in and reply , I am not upset just make s me think

she wont get far in life.. UR not old..i wouldnt even wanna be friends with someone that judgmental and close minded...

Jan 31 13 12:06 pm Link

Photographer

Daeda1us

Posts: 1067

Little Rock, Arkansas, US

Phillip Ritchie  wrote:
I just had a message from a MM model that had asked to do a nude erotic shoot with me,
I replied yes, this is her reply 

hey Phillip
OMG I have to cancel my shoot with you as I just read your front page thing wow your as old as my grandpa ,
so it's feels really weird to be naked , I think you do beautiful pics

sorry hope you understand xxxxxxxxxxxx


, I sort of do under stand but dam now I feel really old LOL

does any one else think that maybe you can be become to old to shoot nudes,
my work is more erotic than just nude maybe she thinks I should not still be thinking like that ,

thoughts any one  I have also told her I just put it on the forum maybe she will come in and reply , I am not upset just make s me think

1) Love your portfolio
2) From a professional standpoint, allow me to emphasize, underscore and highlight... Men (and a lot of women) never 'get too old to think like that'.

When she has a few more decades under her belt, she will understand...
Maybe.

big_smile

My two cents, YMMV
Daeda1us

Jan 31 13 12:46 pm Link

Photographer

Herb Way

Posts: 1495

Black Mountain, North Carolina, US

Demeter Photography wrote:
I once had a model tell me she booked a shoot with a photog and agreed to shoot at her house...  when said photog showed up she peeked through the window and say that he was 50+ yrs old, she pretended like she wasn't home and did not answer the door.  Sadly she was borderline proud of that, and needless to say, when I told her how brutally dumb, shallow, inconsiderate... etc etc she was, well, we haven't talked since.  I did sorta kinda know the photographer in question and he took it a lot better than expected, especially considering his 'old eyes' saw her peek out the window so he knew what was up.

No age is too old to shoot.  If you are able, capabale and willing then go at it.  Silly and ridiculous people exist.

Sadly, the model's behavior is fairly typical of her narcissistic generation.

Feb 01 13 06:51 am Link

Model

Agrigenta

Posts: 24

Madison, New Jersey, US

my reactions to her message to you ..totally rude , immature, and irrational!

  your work is impeccable . id shoot with you in a heart beat if asked.
  Her loss, not yours!

As probably one of the oldest models on MM,  i much rather work with an older and experienced photographer anyday. Age does not factor into a shoot however ..its the quality of what a photographer produces.

be glad u didint do the shoot. she probably would have said she wants to do nudes but didint want to take her clothes off lol- ck out this video it always makes me laugh  i think u need one at this moment 

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/2062671/nude-model

Feb 01 13 07:43 am Link

Photographer

Herb Way

Posts: 1495

Black Mountain, North Carolina, US

Agrigenta wrote:
...As probably one of the oldest models on MM,  i much rather work with an older and experienced photographer anyday. Age does not factor into a shoot however ..its the quality of what a photographer produces...

It's really quite sad how so many people under 40 can't seem to appreciate the fact that many a good tune is played on and "old" piano. smile

Feb 01 13 08:08 am Link

Photographer

sospix

Posts: 21531

Orlando, Florida, US

Ya old fart  .  .  .  wink  Guess she didn't realize that your "artistic eye" is in it's prime, even if the parts around it are gettin' a little vintage  .  .  .  somehow I don't think you'll have a problem finding a willing replacement to model for ya  .  .  .  beautiful work, much continued success!!!!

SOS

Feb 01 13 08:25 am Link

Model

Cwen

Posts: 1691

Washington, District of Columbia, US

What exactly is *her* motivation, wtf. tongue

Feb 01 13 08:30 am Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Sounds like her idea of "erotic nude" was a Gonzo 'Bangbus' video where the photographer is also the "actor."

Feb 01 13 08:33 am Link

Photographer

nyk fury

Posts: 2918

Port Townsend, Washington, US

i don't think it is all that strange. as i grow older, i am beginning to feel silly shooting young things.

on a side note, i recall a model profile here that was rather charming. she laid out her requirements for photographers; age range, looks, etc.

Feb 01 13 08:39 am Link

Photographer

JOEL McDONALD

Posts: 608

Portland, Oregon, US

Well...

At least she didn't say "you're to old to shoot nude"!! That's a good thing, isn't it? ;-)

Feb 01 13 11:02 am Link

Photographer

Don Garrett

Posts: 4507

Escondido, California, US

At 62, I still shoot nudes. I haven't had your experience, YET ! The process seldom has any erotic feelings associated with it for me, but I feel that the nude female body is just more right for my mostly landscape style of work, and can be a beautiful addition to any image. A big fashion statement in the middle of nature would seem incongruous to me. Anyway, just have fun doing what you re doing, and forget about the opinions of others.
-Don
Oh, and your images are gorgeously crafted too, by the way !

Feb 01 13 11:19 am Link

Photographer

Shades Of Gray

Posts: 1054

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Phillip Ritchie  wrote:

I did send her this forum link MKPhoto  I am sure she is reading it

She might look but she would never dare post to it.  It's one thing to be a fool and another altogether to publicly out yourself as one.  She has probably read this and if she has an IQ over 40 (which is in question) she already knows what a BIG BIG mistake she made. She probably would have turned down Ansel Adams because he didn't have much studio work or much of anything colorful in his port.  Well that and he was too old. smile If she has the nerve to come crawling back, you would be a bigger man than I if you were to shoot with her now.  I wouldn't do it- not even with a note from her mommy.

Feb 01 13 07:05 pm Link

Photographer

NC Art Photos

Posts: 570

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

T-D-L wrote:
lol, sounds like she's too immature to be llamaing.

ditto - she probably has a problem talking on the phone also! ;-)

Feb 01 13 07:10 pm Link

Model

Raven-Lily

Posts: 77

Eastbourne, England, United Kingdom

all i can say to that is Cheeky Cow!

the best work comes from the older photographers as they have all those years of experience and hardwork behind them, i would rather take a photographer of your age and caliber than a young newbie.

She clearly thinks modelling is about working with young photographers who get turned on by her, she is sadly mistaken.

Dont take it personally OP, just think of her as a silly girl who clearly is delusional and unexperienced.

Feb 02 13 07:11 am Link

Model

Aaliyah Love

Posts: 113

Los Angeles, California, US

I don't get how the age, sex, race, etc of the photographer should make ANY sort of difference whatsoever to a model. She's the one in front of the camera.. the only thing that matters if your work and level of professionalism.

Feb 03 13 09:46 am Link

Photographer

The F-Stop

Posts: 1531

New York, New York, US

Agrigenta wrote:
my reactions to her message to you ..totally rude , immature, and irrational!

  your work is impeccable . id shoot with you in a heart beat if asked.
  Her loss, not yours!

As probably one of the oldest models on MM,  i much rather work with an older and experienced photographer anyday. Age does not factor into a shoot however ..its the quality of what a photographer produces.

be glad u didint do the shoot. she probably would have said she wants to do nudes but didint want to take her clothes off lol- ck out this video it always makes me laugh  i think u need one at this moment 

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/2062671/nude-model

And as a retired older photographer, I'd rather work with older models that know what the hell they are doing n what they want as a result of our shoot. Many of these younger ladies think it's a one way street... we have to gain from our shoot as a team.. it's not all about you, we share ideas n our years of experiance together.

I'd rather do art these days instead of cutesie cutesie ports anyway.. tierd of the same ole same ole nonsence... got dam kids!

Feb 03 13 10:08 am Link

Photographer

Light Writer

Posts: 18387

Oakland, California, US

T-D-L wrote:
lol, sounds like she's too immature to be modeling.

^^^^^^
I think that's probably accurate.

It's just as easy for a younger person to stereotype as anyone else.

Feb 03 13 11:13 am Link

Retoucher

Kristiana-Retouch

Posts: 289

London, England, United Kingdom

Well... at least she was honest and didn't disappear without letting you know what happened.
But yeah - probably that was not best reason not to shoot with you.
She should think opposite - oh, he is as old as my grandpa, so if he is shooting for million years he probably has huge experience so photos will be amazing smile big_smile

Feb 03 13 11:34 am Link

Photographer

James Ogilvie

Posts: 6643

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Nothing new here.

Every once in a while someone comes along that says or does something that doesn't make sense to the rest of us.  We're not in their shoes, we can't relate.

But we all have these little 'things' that we will or won't do, that seem absurd to everyone else. 

Most models don't care about such things, and had better not care about such things if they want to model a lot.  That's pretty much what it boils down to.

Feb 03 13 11:42 am Link

Photographer

UCPhotog

Posts: 986

Union City, California, US

James Ogilvie wrote:
All this proves is that Forrest had a sister.

Damn! I agree. (and I'm going to use this phrase ;-)

Feb 03 13 11:47 am Link

Photographer

OmnyRa

Posts: 1029

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Your profile was saved in my Favorites long ago because it's bar- one raised so high I need a crane to reach it- but it's inspiration.  I've more often heard that models are uncomfortable with the younger photogs on nude shoots, and the mature gentleman were considered more comfortable to be with due to not expecting to be hit on.

Feb 03 13 11:53 am Link

Photographer

f-stop-Bethelehem

Posts: 1

Singapore, Singapore, Singapore

You have an amazing port man.

And that girl is 2 cumshots shy of being an outright idiot.

I wouldn't work with anyone like that unless a gun was pointed to my face.

Wish you would tell us who the fuck that bitch is

Feb 03 13 12:01 pm Link

Photographer

my_other_profile

Posts: 666

Ankeny, Iowa, US

f-stop-Bethelehem wrote:
You have an amazing port man.

And that girl is 2 cumshots shy of being an outright idiot.

I wouldn't work with anyone like that unless a gun was pointed to my face.

Wish you would tell us who the fuck that bitch is

Nice first post.

Feb 03 13 12:04 pm Link

Artist/Painter

aquarelle

Posts: 1915

Chicago, Illinois, US

If you're too old to shoot nudes, conversely, does that imply a model is too young to pose for them?  If a photographer or artist is "too old," does that mean he's restricted from shooting certain subject matter?

For instance, must an "old" photographer not shoot nudes, or shoot them only with "old" models?  Must young models shoot only with "young" photographers?  Although it works in many cases just like one, Model Mayhem is not a match site.

Feb 03 13 03:20 pm Link

Photographer

Ali Choudhry Photo

Posts: 178

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

The main thing that should be considered when working with a photographer, I think, is the quality of images they produce... And your work is amazing! Her loss, really.

Feb 03 13 03:37 pm Link