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Photographer

Tom deL

Posts: 3715

Lexington, Ohio, US

My portfolio must really sux ... it is 99.999% available light w/no reflectors.

Jul 01 12 07:35 am Link

Photographer

Dan K Photography

Posts: 5466

STATEN ISLAND, New York, US

To be fair, I think there is more terrible "natural light, no reflectors only photographers" then any other kind. IMHO.

Of course there are some amazing natural light togs out there and even some terrible ones luck out with the lighting every now and then and have a good shot.

Jul 01 12 07:40 am Link

Photographer

Rik Williams

Posts: 3491

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

He obviously doesn't wish to work with you.

Jul 01 12 07:55 am Link

Photographer

rachael-emily

Posts: 100

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

Trust your instincts when setting up shoots.  If someone proves to be awkward or difficult or rude in the planning stage, they probably won't be great when you're shooting!

Jul 01 12 10:25 am Link

Model

Venessa Baez

Posts: 616

Tampa, Florida, US

That's not a model, that's a buffoon.

Jul 01 12 11:48 am Link

Photographer

karenjerzykphotography

Posts: 1752

Boston, Massachusetts, US

My entire portfolio must be shit, then, because I always, 110% of the time, use natural light.

Jul 01 12 11:50 am Link

Photographer

karenjerzykphotography

Posts: 1752

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Tom deL wrote:
My portfolio must really sux ... it is 99.999% available light w/no reflectors.

+1

Jul 01 12 11:51 am Link

Photographer

MZ PhotoFilm

Posts: 202

Jacksonville, Florida, US

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
NEXT!




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

+1

Jul 01 12 11:56 am Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 8852

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Education ? ?


What would it have hurt to explain things to the model ?

Education is a cure for the ignorant.

There is no cure for stupid.

Jul 01 12 03:28 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 8852

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

If people can instantly tell if the image was all natural light or artificial light or with reflectors, then you have failed. Unless the intent was to have exotic lighting and to show off the lighting.

If the first thing you notice is the lighting, then you have failed the subject.

We as photographers will often clue-in to the lighting, before we notice the subject, because the lighting is what we live for, but everybody else should notice the subject first and foremost.

Jul 01 12 03:35 pm Link

Photographer

Jeffrey M Fletcher

Posts: 4344

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Yeah, primarily natural here, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be what the model in question would be looking for.

There are many times where I'd hear something inaccurate and attempt to educate and many other times I hear an inaccuracy and send the person on to more appropriate venues. This situation sounds more like the later.

Jul 01 12 03:43 pm Link

Model

M A B

Posts: 6504

Richmond, Virginia, US

lol


Aww, isn't she just precious.

Jul 01 12 03:46 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

So, what I've gathered so far from this thread is that there are some people who feel that "knowledge is power."

And here we thought cliches were primarily relegated to sports interviews.

Edit: More on topic...

I know we love to debate here. But, bottom line, how many  would spend their valuable time debating this with the model in question? And trying to convince them otherwise? I'd venture a guess that those individuals are not busy enough.

Jul 01 12 03:57 pm Link

Photographer

varton

Posts: 2369

New York, New York, US

Lumatic wrote:
Shoulda told him, "Well, the best photographers use no light at all!"

LOL

Jul 01 12 04:07 pm Link

Photographer

Magic Image Photography

Posts: 3606

Temple City, California, US

I had a model once write to me. What kind of Light do you use on your photoshoots. I wrote "It Depends if we are shooting indoors or out doors" She wrote back. I want to shoot at night will you be able to shoot nite pictuers in the dark. I wrote..." I can take photos any time of the day or nite. She wrote on last time. I know I know but I want to make sure i get fantastic quality night images in the dark. I wrote back one last time. In that case Im sorry I do not shoot Vampiers. they never show up on the frames.

Jul 01 12 04:07 pm Link

Photographer

Tom deL

Posts: 3715

Lexington, Ohio, US

Tom deL wrote:
My portfolio must really sux ... it is 99.999% available light w/no reflectors.

karenjerzykphotography wrote:
+1

Thanks for the affirmation!

Oh, wait ...

Jul 01 12 05:48 pm Link

Model

Nikita Rumyantseva

Posts: 343

Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom

https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/? … 091&type=3

100% natural light. No reflector. And I really love the results.

For non-Facebook user, here: http://davidlutwyche.wordpress.com/2012 … umyantsev/

Jul 01 12 06:07 pm Link

Photographer

Erin Dawson Photography

Posts: 334

Olney, Maryland, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

What arrogance! What illiteracy! Now you don't have to waste your skills on someone who thinks sunlight is inadequate, and light has no "h".

Jul 01 12 08:24 pm Link

Model

Zerotia

Posts: 85

South Plainfield, New Jersey, US

varton wrote:

LOL

lol x2

Jul 01 12 09:28 pm Link

Model

Zerotia

Posts: 85

South Plainfield, New Jersey, US

karenjerzykphotography wrote:
My entire portfolio must be shit, then, because I always, 110% of the time, use natural light.

some of the best shit i've seen.

Jul 01 12 09:29 pm Link

Model

V Laroche

Posts: 2746

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Ugh, you still shoot with those old-fashioned film cameras?! Don't you know you can buy a brand new digital camera for $75??? You must not know much about cameras!

Jul 01 12 09:31 pm Link

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Photographer

studio36uk

Posts: 21888

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

Personal Photograph wrote:
No cure for stupid.

Beauty is only skin deep. Stupid goes through and through.

Studio36

Jul 02 12 03:32 am Link

Photographer

SPierce Photography

Posts: 19789

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

Wow, you dodged a bullet on that one- i agree with the others, be happy!

Guess that model wont' be working with me, either!

Jul 02 12 03:38 am Link

Photographer

Photographe

Posts: 2350

Bristol, England, United Kingdom

You know, there's amateur daylight and there's professional daylight, for which you will need a release and to notify the escort 24 hours in advance, should the humidity fall 1 degree below the agreed humidity usage rate.

Jul 02 12 03:40 am Link

Photographer

Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

Maybe she is a master photographer,   and know it all...  Bow down, or leave her behind...

Jul 02 12 03:42 am Link

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Model

Anna Adrielle

Posts: 18763

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
NEXT!




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

exactly smile

one of my favorite local photogaphers uses nothing but natural light
http://paulineg.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/img_6153.jpg


just be glad you dodged the bullet of working with a model who doesn't know anything, but thinks she knows everything.

Jul 02 12 04:33 am Link

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IdontKnowIForgot

Posts: 3827

Louth, England, United Kingdom

Be happy he showed his idiocy before you worked with him,  saved alot of hassle! tongue

All my locational work has been done with just natural light and both the model and I putting in the effort to find the right direction/light for the shot. Saying that If i could afford some portable flash's or anything I'd probably use them aswell. but I do enjoy the sublime use of natural sunlight smile

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110811/14/4e4443516bd6d.jpg
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120622/01/4fe432894dc62.jpg

Jul 02 12 04:48 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Magic Image Photography wrote:
I had a model once write to me. What kind of Light do you use on your photoshoots. I wrote "It Depends if we are shooting indoors or out doors" She wrote back. I want to shoot at night will you be able to shoot nite pictuers in the dark. I wrote..." I can take photos any time of the day or nite. She wrote on last time. I know I know but I want to make sure i get fantastic quality night images in the dark. I wrote back one last time. In that case Im sorry I do not shoot Vampiers. they never show up on the frames.

It's no problem if you use Canon.  smile

Or, if you were a real artist, and used Film.

Jul 02 12 04:55 am Link

Photographer

Mel Jean

Posts: 73

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

My avatar was shot against a wardrobe door in natural light through windows. Must not be a good photo then

Jul 02 12 05:54 am Link

Photographer

KMP

Posts: 4822

Houston, Texas, US

J Jessica  wrote:

I actually prefer natural afternoon/evening light.
hmm
It seems less harsh to me.
Lots of good photos can be obtained from such lighting.

Tell her that you'd like to test shoot and see if she likes the outcome.

It'd be a waste of time. The model is an absolute idiot for saying such a thing.

I'll bet she is basing her opinion on working with a noob photographer who screwed up her photos and may have told her such things..

She's too stupid to realize the truth...

Jul 02 12 06:11 am Link

Photographer

Brooklyn Bridge Images

Posts: 9753

Brooklyn, New York, US

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4qm1VihOMLE/TvZi0K-FJoI/AAAAAAAAAc0/QI15NW3kxHg/s1600/SOUPNAZI.png

Jul 02 12 10:56 am Link

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

Thanks to everyone who has replied, and for sharing your great natural light shots, some really nice stuff in there.

Jul 02 12 12:07 pm Link

Photographer

MerrillMedia

Posts: 8524

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

Her boyfriend/manager/photography expert/sluggo told her that.

Jul 02 12 12:11 pm Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15537

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Him.

For the hard at hearing ' HIM '

Assumptions are the mother of all f...k ups.

Jul 02 12 01:47 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 8852

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Lumatic wrote:

Actually, neither is better.  Light is light.  The only difference is how you influence and capture it.

The image is what matters.

+1

Jul 02 12 04:40 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 8852

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Dan K Photography wrote:
To be fair, I think there is more terrible "natural light, no reflectors only photographers" then any other kind. IMHO.

Of course there are some amazing natural light togs out there and even some terrible ones luck out with the lighting every now and then and have a good shot.

This could be fun.

If you eliminate the P&S snapshot crowd from the Natural Light lineup, then I would dare say that that you have more terrible "studio light" photographers then any other kind.

A couple of Nat.Light hacks. Avedon, HCB, Elliot Porter., David Bailey.

Jul 02 12 04:53 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 8852

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

Rollo David Snook wrote:
You know, there's amateur daylight and there's professional daylight, for which you will need a release and to notify the llama herder 24 hours in advance, should the humidity fall 1 degree below the agreed humidity usage rate.

Not a clue as to what the hell you said, but I love it.

Jul 02 12 04:58 pm Link

Photographer

Herman Surkis

Posts: 8852

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Him.

For the hard at hearing ' HIM '

Assumptions are the mother of all f...k ups.

Hard of reading (this term should exist).

And yes.

Jul 02 12 05:00 pm Link

Model

Jen B

Posts: 3176

Hopkinsville, Kentucky, US

Gennaver wrote:
...I guess you could work with him if you really wanted to...knowing that he doesn't know that indoor light is a weak attempt at imitating natural outdoor light. wink
Jen
p.s. edit to add a picture that was shot outdoors, with only a reflector, as it was February and at dusk http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 2#28415742

Hi,
I'm replying to myself here to add another picture from that same day however, I remember there was a guy to the side holding a reflector but, I don't think he was using it for these, I think he had it just because we were so close to dusk on an otherwise already overcast day. This is in Anchorage in February on a frozen lake. smile
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 2#29005151

Jen

Jul 02 12 05:53 pm Link

Photographer

Raw and the cooked

Posts: 956

London, England, United Kingdom

Anna Adrielle wrote:
exactly smile

one of my favorite local photogaphers uses nothing but natural light
http://paulineg.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/img_6153.jpg


just be glad you dodged the bullet of working with a model who doesn't know anything, but thinks she knows everything.

Of course natural light is a wonderful thing, but anyone who purports to use natural light only, even forsaking the use of reflectors or diffusers, is missing a trick or two. And probably can't use flash at all! The shot above is nicely done, but a tiny bit of fill would put a nice catchlight in the eyes, which are looking a little dead for me!

Jul 03 12 03:15 am Link