Forums > Model Colloquy > How bad is it for newbies (Inappropriate offers)?

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Tony Lawrence

Posts: 19225

Chicago, Illinois, US

Women at clubs and parties often have nasty things said to them and offers that would make a sailor blush.   Most continue to party and club.   A email with a inappropriate offer can be  reported and removed.   Any model who decides to leave after a few silly messages in my mind didn't really want to shoot to begin with.   My feeling is many of the models who join MM do so without giving it much thought.   They may shoot with one or two people and realize there isn't much money to be made or they don't want to nudes.   Which seems to be what most of the paid work consists of.

Predators though, nah and look this isn't wild kingdom where lions are looking to attack and eat prey as one member alluded.   If someone makes you a offer you find disgusting or not your cup of tea do like you do at the club or anywhere else.   Ignore them or tell them to fuc^ off.

Oct 04 12 09:14 pm Link

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Tony KnightHawk Studios

Posts: 1900

Fort Myers Beach, Florida, US

On a more serious note. As long as MM allows "models" with phone camera mirror shots, spread eagle (or close to it) and "photographers" thinking some over exposed badly cropped image is worthy of posting, this problem will not go away. When you lower standards it makes it easier for the lowest common denominators to fall through the cracks. I am willing to bet with the increase in inappropriate offers there must be an increase in inappropriate accepting of offers. Why else would they come to MM to make the offers ?
MM wont do anything about it because bottom line they want mass numbers.
Lastly using the block profile button has helped me weed out people I do not want to work with. Reading a profile may give you a hint about the person.

Oct 04 12 09:22 pm Link

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Tony KnightHawk Studios

Posts: 1900

Fort Myers Beach, Florida, US

Shawn Meadows wrote:
I wouldn't say it was "bad." It was plentiful. I had tons of porn offers within a few days of putting up my profile. Plenty of money offered. All you have to do is say, "no thanks." After it got to be annoying to reject offers every day, putting a simple disclaimer in my bio about not being interested in adult work, it stopped immediately...can't say that about the scams though. They're he bigger problem.

I am just curious..how many of the tons of offers did you report?
If its not worth reporting then its not really that big a problem. Surely something so horrific and inappropriate is worth the click of a button.

Oct 04 12 09:26 pm Link

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RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

I know of - and still work with - two models who pulled accounts within one month of opening them, due to excessive 'inappropriate' offers... mostly offers to shoot porn, but in some cases requests to 'web-cam' with them (you get the idea).

I wonder who these guys are? How do they disguise their accounts to make it look like they're photographers if all they're interested in is perving at young girls...?

Oct 05 12 01:51 am Link

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RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

twoharts wrote:
i think mayhem should make CAM part of the main navigation and also get that in front of newbie models somehow (maybe in an introductory email). models shouldn't have to put up with that here. even CL got rid of the adult section (although i guess that stuff just filtered into the regular part).


Other Forum templates have a 'Report This Post' button built-in - it's only because MM uses a stone-age platform for the Forum that we have to go looking for how to report abuse...

Oct 05 12 01:55 am Link

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Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Tony Lawrence wrote:
Any model who decides to leave after a few silly messages in my mind didn't really want to shoot to begin with.

Couldn't have said that better myself.

Oct 07 12 09:54 pm Link

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Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

1873 Images wrote:
I get that this isn't a scientific poll with a representative sample, and one could not conclude what percentage of the subset of models that participate in the forums have experienced this.

Looks like we've found something to agree on.

Even if you could somehow prove that inappropriate offers are a rampant problem, which would be highly speculative, you could never make the case that they get more on MM than they would get if they actually achieved some degree of success as a model, go dancing with their friends, go to a bar for drinks...or when they walk out of their front door every day, for that matter.

Inappropriate offers only alarm people such as you that view "aspiring" MM models as helpless little fawns that need to be shielded from them at all costs, or they will delete their profiles, and hide under their beds.

Like Tony said above, anyone that would be deterred from pursuing ANY desired goal by something that can be deleted with a click of a mouse isn't worth shooting, anyway.

Oct 07 12 09:57 pm Link

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Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

1873 Images wrote:

If a number of models state it is a regular-ongoing occurence. 

I get that this isn't a scientific poll with a representative sample, and one could not conclude what percentage of the subset of models that participate in the forums have experienced this.   However, it does provide some insight into the issue and answers my curiosity.

What "number" are you looking for?

"Insight"? Hardly...but I'm glad you have somehow had your curiosity answered.

Oct 07 12 09:59 pm Link

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1001001

Posts: 31

ADAK, Alaska, US

Why do new llamas get these sort of offers? Because it works enough times to make it worth the spammer's time. If it didn't work they'd find another avenue to recruit "talent".

Oct 15 12 01:16 pm Link

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Bold Sheep Photography

Posts: 234

Blacksburg, Virginia, US

An IT security guy once told me that the classic Nigerian scams are written in such poor English because that rules out the people smart enough to figure out it is a scam. I bet those model scammers have some sort of window in which they bounce on "new girls" before they decide the newbies have probably either been burned or clued in.

Oct 16 12 02:33 pm Link

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Designit - Edward Olson

Posts: 1637

NORTH HOLLYWOOD, California, US

Ms Jaime-BoldSheepPhoto wrote:
An IT security guy once told me that the classic Nigerian scams are written in such poor English because that rules out the people smart enough to figure out it is a scam. I bet those model scammers have some sort of window in which they bounce on "new girls" before they decide the newbies have probably either been burned or clued in.

There is no need to "rule out" those "smart enough to figure out it is a scam." Having it written in poor English does not increase the number of people who fall for it, it decreases it.

They are poorly written either the writer doesn't have a decent education in English, most likely due to the scammer being from Nigeria or another non-English-speaking country.

Oct 16 12 03:43 pm Link

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The Red Menace

Posts: 26

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Rollo David Snook wrote:
Well I just notice when a model posts a topic like "Do I have to do nude", that people, some of them jaded, can't resist the "yes you do hun, you will never be anything, never make any money unless you do art nude". It comes across as almost desperate in some people, in some people it comes across as the voice of experience. Either way, I think it's obviously too much pressure for some people, who may already be battling with unconvinced boyfriends, families etc.

It's unimaginative and incorrect to ram this down newbies throats and is not backed up by evidence in the real world.

My friend is overweight, has stretch marks, funny teeth, is 5'6" and she is making lots of money modelling and is almost famous these days, but she was trained properly, put herself in a good position and when she was told she could never be a model in the UK, she didn't give up.

Well I must say the above gives me hope smile

To put my two cents in about the original post- I've been on here a total of two days and do nudes and have art nudes in my portfolio and I've been approached by a few nice art nude photographers who have lovely portfolios and I'm in the process of setting up shoots and talking aesthetics so I know that the images will be ones that I'll be proud of.

I've photographed art nudes myself (men and women) and really like it as an art form-

I've also been approached by several photographers whose portfolios I would classify as 'Glamour' i.e.- strong lighting,overtly sexual poses and even had one offer of paid work in 'people' or 'picture' (Australian men's magazines) as a cold call message (unsolicited)

I re-wrote my bio to indicate what sort of nudes I'm interested in doing and responded politely that I wasn't interested to the messages from the glamour requests and that's what I'll continue to do. I've also decided to deny friend requests from photographers who do glamour so as not to muddy the waters.

But I figure I'm not being harmed and the best way to judge a photographer is by their work- all I have to do is say no.

Oct 17 12 05:27 am Link

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Park Avenue Pin-ups

Posts: 476

Waverly, New York, US

The Red Menace wrote:

Well I must say the above gives me hope smile

To put my two cents in about the original post- I've been on here a total of two days and do nudes and have art nudes in my portfolio and I've been approached by a few nice art nude photographers who have lovely portfolios and I'm in the process of setting up shoots and talking aesthetics so I know that the images will be ones that I'll be proud of.

I've photographed art nudes myself (men and women) and really like it as an art form-

I've also been approached by several photographers whose portfolios I would classify as 'Glamour' i.e.- strong lighting,overtly sexual poses and even had one offer of paid work in 'people' or 'picture' (Australian men's magazines) as a cold call message (unsolicited)

I re-wrote my bio to indicate what sort of nudes I'm interested in doing and responded politely that I wasn't interested to the messages from the glamour requests and that's what I'll continue to do. I've also decided to deny friend requests from photographers who do glamour so as not to muddy the waters.

But I figure I'm not being harmed and the best way to judge a photographer is by their work- all I have to do is say no.

Thanks for the response.  I wouldn't consider an offer to glamour when you want to shoot art nudes "inappropriate" and I agree that when you get an offer you aren't interested in you can delete, ignore or say no thanks.

Oct 17 12 05:26 pm Link