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Photographer

The Model Zone

Posts: 74

Chicago, Illinois, US

Hello MMers, I have recently noticed while viewing contests that the vote counts are really down, even for the winners. Is Model Mayhem on a decline in viewers and subscribers?

Oct 05 12 12:42 pm Link

Photographer

MCPHOTO

Posts: 732

Duvall, Washington, US

maybe people don't really think about viewing or voting on the contest's.

Oct 05 12 12:50 pm Link

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Neil Snape

Posts: 9473

Paris, Île-de-France, France

no idea on the number of current and active members but the contests were much more popular before.


All things get tiring after time, I suppose the contests are that.

Oct 05 12 12:52 pm Link

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M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Contests?

Maybe that answers your question.

Oct 05 12 12:56 pm Link

Photographer

The Model Zone

Posts: 74

Chicago, Illinois, US

Neil Snape wrote:
no idea on the number of current and active members but the contests were much more popular before.


All things get tiring after time, I suppose the contests are that.

Contests are always fun and a way to measure your work against others. I don't think MM is pushing it either way?

Oct 05 12 12:57 pm Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 22364

New York, New York, US

Ljs Photography wrote:

Contests are always fun and a way to measure your work against others. I don't think MM is pushing it either way?

Maybe contests are fun... I don't think that I have ever entered one!

I guess I also saw that most contest winners are masters of photoshop and retouching and with that, people used to judge based not so much on the story that the photo tells, but how flawlessly it was edited.

Hence, I personally never saw a chance to measure up and didn't enter.

But... I have my market, I have the people that enjoy what I do and people hire me to do my thing... so, in the course of the years, that's where I get my validation from...

Oct 05 12 01:01 pm Link

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Aperture_Photo

Posts: 478

Chicago, Illinois, US

Shoot or Surf! that is the question

Oct 05 12 01:01 pm Link

Photographer

Moon Pix Photography

Posts: 3892

Syracuse, New York, US

Neil Snape wrote:
no idea on the number of current and active members but the contests were much more popular before.


All things get tiring after time, I suppose the contests are that.

For the most part, MM contests have turned into who has the best T and A with photography skills and creativity being a distant second.. At least that's my take.

Oct 05 12 01:10 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54149

Buena Park, California, US

I'll care more when I start winning.

Oct 05 12 01:48 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54149

Buena Park, California, US

Moon Pix Photography wrote:

For the most part, MM contests have turned into who has the best T and A with photography skills and creativity being a distant second.. At least that's my take.

mix in a little popularity as well.

Oct 05 12 01:48 pm Link

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Aperture_Photo

Posts: 478

Chicago, Illinois, US

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111014/15/4e98b1d814fd6_m.jpg



I always thought this was a winner!

Oct 05 12 01:53 pm Link

Photographer

JBerman Photography

Posts: 1113

New York, New York, US

Aperture_Photo wrote:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111014/15/4e98b1d814fd6_m.jpg



I always thought this was a winner!

the majority would rather discuss if she brought an escort smile

Oct 05 12 01:56 pm Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Oct 05 12 02:16 pm Link

Photographer

Farenell Photography

Posts: 18125

Albany, New York, US

Ljs Photography wrote:
Hello MMers, I have recently noticed while viewing contests that the vote counts are really down, even for the winners. Is Model Mayhem on a decline in viewers and subscribers?

You'd have to define what "decline" means?

If you mean total numbers & activity, probably not.

If you mean keeping older members (however that's defined) engaged & the amount of time they spend on this site, maybe.

MM regardless of what it touts to be is a "social network". People will continue to use it so long as it meets their needs OR until the latest & greatest cuts in on their turf & everyone goes there OR members simply get bored & do something else w/ their time.

Oct 05 12 02:25 pm Link

Photographer

Aperture_Photo

Posts: 478

Chicago, Illinois, US

JBerman Photography wrote:

the majority would rather discuss if she brought an escort smile

LMAO    a MUA in the next room texting the night away!

Oct 05 12 02:30 pm Link

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SugarSharai photography

Posts: 387

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Aperture_Photo wrote:
Shoot or Surf! that is the question

Word.


I vote, SHOOT!!! big_smile

Oct 05 12 02:34 pm Link

Photographer

SugarSharai photography

Posts: 387

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Christopher Hartman wrote:
I'll care more when I start winning.

.... Word... +2!!!

Oct 05 12 02:36 pm Link

Photographer

Sungoddess Studios

Posts: 5169

Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey, US

There are 708,268 members active and inactive. when you are inactive over several months you become in-viewable.

Where were you when I ran the Weekend Assignment Before I killed the thread for non participation.

Oct 05 12 02:40 pm Link

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William Kious

Posts: 8841

Delphos, Ohio, US

The contests became utterly pointless. When you see an absolute crap shot with more votes simply because there's pussy or cock, well, it makes the exercise of having a contest a complete joke.

Oct 05 12 02:41 pm Link

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J Welborn

Posts: 2552

Clarksville, Tennessee, US

William Kious wrote:
The contests became utterly pointless. When you see an absolute crap shot with more votes simply because there's pussy or cock, well, it makes the exercise of having a contest a complete joke.

Exactly ---If the contest were judged by some one who does not even have a profile here it would be different .
Get  a group who know what art and photography really are and let them judge the contest on merit instead of pussy and swinging dicks .

Oct 05 12 02:45 pm Link

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Kent Art Photography

Posts: 2908

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

William Kious wrote:
The contests became utterly pointless. When you see an absolute crap shot with more votes simply because there's pussy or cock, well, it makes the exercise of having a contest a complete joke.

Would you mind going through the 18+ competition winners and pointing out the ones which fill your criteria?

I think you malign the deserving winners of most of the competitions.

Oct 05 12 02:48 pm Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Oct 05 12 02:48 pm Link

Model

Stormee

Posts: 2463

San Antonio, Texas, US

Oct 05 12 02:51 pm Link

Photographer

Jouissance Images

Posts: 744

Bloomington, Minnesota, US

Fewer new faces are posting to the Main page, it seems to me, compared to a couple of years ago.  Every product has a life cycle. MM would be no different.

Oct 05 12 02:58 pm Link

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Kent Art Photography

Posts: 2908

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

J  Welborn wrote:

Exactly ---If the contest were judged by some one who does not even have a profile here it would be different .
Get  a group who know what art and photography really are and let them judge the contest on merit instead of pussy and swinging dicks .

If you had ever taken part in the sort of competitions my local photographic society runs, you would know that bias and bigotry influences even the most (alleged) impartial judges.

If the contest is decided by vote, and you vote, then the most popular choices (not necessarily the best) win.  That's democracy.

If you don't vote in the competitions then you cannot criticize the results.

I did mention to JoJo that sometimes I struggled to find three images to vote for, and I would rather vote for up to three pics.  She replied that the change was being considered.  That would reduce the vote count (which is what this thread is about), but I don't know if it would make the competition any better or fairer.

Oct 05 12 03:01 pm Link

Photographer

J Welborn

Posts: 2552

Clarksville, Tennessee, US

Kelly Anne-Marie wrote:

Awesome idea but that most likely would be very costly.

Agreed and most would not pay to be judged by pros smile

The gallery shows I enter charge a small fee and it makes every one serious about their entry . Most are judged by people who are qualified and unknown by the artists.

It would take an entirely different approach here to make that happen and possibly an entirely different contest that is just for serious models and photographers . The crude images would never make the cut so the problem of content would never come up .

Oct 05 12 03:01 pm Link

Photographer

J Welborn

Posts: 2552

Clarksville, Tennessee, US

Kent Art Photography wrote:

If you had ever taken part in the sort of competitions my local photographic society runs, you would know that bias and bigotry influences even the most (alleged) impartial judges.

If the contest is decided by vote, and you vote, then the most popular choices (not necessarily the best) win.  That's democracy.

If you don't vote in the competitions then you cannot criticize the results.

I did mention to JoJo that sometimes I struggled to find three images to vote for, and I would rather vote for up to three pics.  She replied that the change was being considered.  That would reduce the vote count (which is what this thread is about), but I don't know if it would make the competition any better or fairer.

No debate about some judges being corrupt and I have been on some of the panels to pick the judges for local shows . We always try to get some one who is at least some distance away from the area but it's a small world so it's not perfect . We have a president who was elected by popular vote ---proof the system is flawed 

I don't go tot he contests very often but have recently and I too have a hard time finding one to vote for let alone three .

Oct 05 12 03:07 pm Link

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Dan OMell

Posts: 1335

Ufa, Bashkortostan, Russia

I think the forum structure ergonomically as an web application does not fit very nicely into contests structure at all. MM needs to come up with better solution. not everybody is interested to scroll around too much. it should be more foolproof and simple.
IMHO

Oct 05 12 03:08 pm Link

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Mark Leighton

Posts: 138

Lagos, Algarve, Portugal

I think the main POTD often has interesting images but I broadly agree with the criticisms here of the 18+ contests. I do think this must have an impact on the number of people voting in the contest.

I also think the contests could be more "user friendly" and the administration of the contests a little more agreeable.

Oct 05 12 03:12 pm Link

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Oscar Partida

Posts: 732

Palm Springs, California, US

after 10000   ''i'll rate your portfolio's '' most people come ..check inbox and go

Oct 05 12 03:13 pm Link

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Matt Forma

Posts: 373

Denver, Colorado, US

Seems like everyone in my city uses facebook to network far more than MM now

Oct 05 12 03:30 pm Link

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The Art of Churchwell

Posts: 3171

QUEENS VILLAGE, New York, US

It's not really a contest of how great a image you do. it is a contest of how hard you work spamming people and asking for their vote. The best spammers always win

Oct 05 12 03:46 pm Link

Photographer

J Welborn

Posts: 2552

Clarksville, Tennessee, US

The Art of Churchwell wrote:
It's not really a contest of how great a image you do. it is a contest of how hard you work spamming people and asking for their vote. The best spammers always win

Seems to be the way it works -----

Oct 05 12 04:01 pm Link

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robert b mitchell

Posts: 1454

Surrey, British Columbia, Canada

Really true. Especially if you expose as much as possible and to hell with creativity.

Oct 05 12 04:02 pm Link

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zardoz35

Posts: 117

North Augusta, South Carolina, US

The photoshopping of the images renders them less photography than computer graphic work. Just have the contest named "Best Photoshopped Image of the Day" and let it go at that.

Oct 05 12 04:08 pm Link

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dgold

Posts: 10273

North Smithfield, Rhode Island, US

William Kious wrote:
The contests became utterly pointless. When you see an absolute crap shot with more votes simply because there's pussy or cock, well, it makes the exercise of having a contest a complete joke.

...tune in for a moment or two to the Forum Competitions - they have always been and hopefully will continue to be so, and enjoy top shelf images - both digital and film, Udor.
I agree that in the POD Original contest, many more digitally engineered/manipulated images win the daily vote. Lately I have been enjoying the art and work of most who post and voting on what I consider the best image of the day that pleases my senses.


In the Forum-based competitions, there are no 18+ images allowed other than through link and 18+ identification rather than thruough visiual image for all to view. One has the coice to view, or, not to view.

I have been judged by my MM peers to many a 1st place days over the 6 years here on MM in many of the "subject themed competitions". I am humbled and pleased with votes over the years...one or more of my peers was titilated by my "work".
And, the reason to enter in the Forum is not always with the idea or "hope" of "winning".
The enjoyment is in the viewing of one another's day's work, interpretation of the day's subject matter, creativity and imagination.

I shoot only film.

The MM Contests for 18+ images were, when they were Forum-based , the same as the Forum competitions of today. Everything, for me,  changed when the 18+ competitions changed formatting and catagory.
I no longer enter, nor view, the Contests as they now exist.
It is, after all, a free site and country.

Oct 05 12 04:09 pm Link

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Sungoddess Studios

Posts: 5169

Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey, US

Contests in the real world are judged by 4 or more things;
1 Composition
2 Creativity
3 Quality
4 Uniqueness
  this is my assumption whenever I vote

here is another professional judges opinion

1. How Technically Correct is the Photo? (20)
Are the following the best they can be? Focus, Sharpness, detail, depth of field, colour, brightness, contrast, saturation, usage of light.

2. Subject Matter / Content (20)
How well does it fall within the brief/assignment?
Creativity.

3. Composition (20)
Does the photograph tell a story?
Where is our eye lead to in the photograph?
Is the photograph balanced, if not, is it creating the visual impact it should?

4. Do I like this photograph? (All Else Aside) (40)
Like all art this is dependent on our own tastes, likes, dislikes and the way we see the world and experience it. It has nothing to do with how experienced photographer is. (Unfortunately)





A good thing to read about the lameness of contests.
www.studiolo.org/Photography/Judging/Judging01.htm

Oct 05 12 04:09 pm Link

Photographer

Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

Ljs Photography wrote:
Hello MMers, I have recently noticed while viewing contests that the vote counts are really down, even for the winners. Is Model Mayhem on a decline in viewers and subscribers?

It seems like we have gathered  a lot of beginners..  and some pro-s  that do not like to participatge on that level..

Oct 05 12 04:15 pm Link

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JAE

Posts: 2140

West Chester, Pennsylvania, US

I have noticed a lot less models signing up locally now.  The ones that do don't seem to use the site too much.  It seems like a lot of people just do everything through Facebook now.

Oct 05 12 04:16 pm Link

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Sungoddess Studios

Posts: 5169

Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey, US

Mr. Gold has a good point. A long standing player in Concept Shot of the Day. Anyone can Vote. I play when I am available and have the concept on film or digital. He has many wins because he is damn good. Jump over and take a look last I saw a it is a tie between a sunset and a HD photo of a dude on the rocks.

  www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=860540

It is like Politics. You can't bitch about the winner if you don't participate or vote.

Oct 05 12 04:20 pm Link