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CraigVoisin Photography

Posts: 129

Whitesboro, Texas, US

I've done the "meetup" thing and had bad results more than good ones on networking with the models and had disastrous results on securing model releases from the organizers . I've worked side by side with a few other photographers on projects with mixed results as well .
   While i tried to go out of my way to refer a few models to fellow photographers because i knew thier style and the model would work well for them i have gotten the cold shoulder when inquiring about models they have worked with . It seems some photographers will not pass out the name or tag them in the photos until they are bored with shooting them and concider them yesterday's news . 
    A couple of photographers myself included are complete opposites , we want  the model to get work and will pass out her info and tag her in our photos when she allows it . I just don't see the point in controlling the model's networking , she needs to make a living .

Oct 05 12 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

Images by MR

Posts: 7776

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

CraigVoisin Photography wrote:
I've done the "meetup" thing and had bad results more than good ones on networking with the models and had disastrous results on securing model releases from the organizers . I've worked side by side with a few other photographers on projects with mixed results as well .
   While i tried to go out of my way to refer a few models to fellow photographers because i knew thier style and the model would work well for them i have gotten the cold shoulder when inquiring about models they have worked with . It seems some photographers will not pass out the name or tag them in the photos until they are bored with shooting them and concider them yesterday's news . 
    A couple of photographers myself included are complete opposites , we want  the model to get work and will pass out her info and tag her in our photos when she allows it . I just don't see the point in controlling the model's networking , she needs to make a living .

I would never give out a models info unless I have her okay.. maybe that's the same as the other photographers ?

Oct 05 12 05:51 pm Link

Model

Julia Francesca

Posts: 2365

Maumee, Ohio, US

oh wow, a lot of people have recommended me to others after they've shot with me, i thought that was a good thing but maybe it's not!! complex happening.

Oct 05 12 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

Catnapping

Posts: 3774

Lakeville, Massachusetts, US

I don't usually pass along a model's info to other unknown-to-me photographers, because that puts me in an awkward situation. If, for example, a model doesn't want to shoot/is retired/ doesn't want to be known, that's the model's business. Also, how do I know a random photographer contacting me is safe, reputable, etc? I credit any model that is on MM so that anyone interested in working with them can contact them directly; anyone left uncredited is for a reason.

Also, as a photographer, I'd rather browse models who actively market themselves in my area. That demonstrates that they are actively looking to shoot. I do still bookmark images in photographers' portfolios of interesting models for me to dissect why later.

Just a different perspective.

Oct 05 12 05:57 pm Link

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Ben Beksel Photography

Posts: 271

Shell Lake, Wisconsin, US

I always credit the model and if someone asks,  I pass the photographer information on to her and leave it up to her to contact the photographer or not if she's interested.

Oct 05 12 06:01 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6319

New York, New York, US

Unless she requests anonymity (Not all that unusual when shooting nudes) I always credit the model.

Giving out contact information is a horse of another color.  In the very few instances where I've been asked (Non-MM model for example) I've forwarded the requestor's contact information to the model together with anything I know about him.  She's then free to follow up or not as she sees fit.

Oct 05 12 06:21 pm Link

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imcFOTO

Posts: 579

Bothell, Washington, US

I would happily recommend a model to a fellow photographer if they asked me. But if she's not on MM I'm not about to pass on personal info. I usually contact the model and pass on the info - and I'll return her info to the photographer is she says it's ok. I've always made a point of crediting all models (MM or not) and if it's a non-model, I'll even ask if I can use their (first) name or whether they want an alias or just no name. I think the networking thing is what we're for and its often a quid pro quo thing.

Oct 06 12 01:38 am Link

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Kent Art Photography

Posts: 2925

Ashford, England, United Kingdom

To the person expressing an interest:-  "Yeah, sure, give me your card and I'll pass it on."

And I have done, too.

Oct 06 12 02:20 am Link

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Darren Brade

Posts: 2833

London, England, United Kingdom

CraigVoisin Photography wrote:
I've done the "meetup" thing and had bad results more than good ones on networking with the models and had disastrous results on securing model releases from the organizers . I've worked side by side with a few other photographers on projects with mixed results as well .
   While i tried to go out of my way to refer a few models to fellow photographers because i knew thier style and the model would work well for them i have gotten the cold shoulder when inquiring about models they have worked with . It seems some photographers will not pass out the name or tag them in the photos until they are bored with shooting them and concider them yesterday's news . 
    A couple of photographers myself included are complete opposites , we want  the model to get work and will pass out her info and tag her in our photos when she allows it . I just don't see the point in controlling the model's networking , she needs to make a living .

Sounds like your just frustrated which is understandable.

However networking isn't just about sharing contact details, it's also about using the information responsibly.

I credit where possible but only when the people involve agree to it. If I'm working with agency models then I am less likely to publish a credit. If you want their details I will forward them yours, I'm not an agent.

Just because there is no credit on MM it doesn't mean the photographer is not sharing details, just not with any Tom, Dick, or Harriet

Oct 06 12 03:17 am Link

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Darren Brade

Posts: 2833

London, England, United Kingdom

Caustic Disco wrote:
oh wow, a lot of people have recommended me to others after they've shot with me, i thought that was a good thing but maybe it's not!! complex happening.

Yes that's always a good thing, you can't beat word of mouth recommendations, they trump MM credit links any day.

Oct 06 12 03:19 am Link

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Darren Brade

Posts: 2833

London, England, United Kingdom

I've had a few surprising requests for models details, some people are just weird.

Oct 06 12 03:21 am Link

Photographer

In Balance Photography

Posts: 3372

Boston, Massachusetts, US

CraigVoisin Photography wrote:
...I just don't see the point in controlling the model's networking , she needs to make a living .

This assumes that everyone is on a level playing field.

We're not, and I think you are misinterpreting the actions of the photographer as a desire to control the model's networking.

More than likely it's the desire of the photographer to control their own reputation.

When I am asked for a warm introduction by person A to person B, I would only make that introduction if I thought that "B" would value the introduction. If I didn't use that good sense, then I'd be remembered as "that's the guy that sent me that complete waste of time lead".

Oct 06 12 03:59 am Link

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MesmerEyes Photography

Posts: 3033

Tyler, Texas, US

CraigVoisin Photography wrote:
I've done the "meetup" thing and had bad results more than good ones on networking with the models and had disastrous results on securing model releases from the organizers . I've worked side by side with a few other photographers on projects with mixed results as well .
   While i tried to go out of my way to refer a few models to fellow photographers because i knew thier style and the model would work well for them i have gotten the cold shoulder when inquiring about models they have worked with . It seems some photographers will not pass out the name or tag them in the photos until they are bored with shooting them and concider them yesterday's news . 
    A couple of photographers myself included are complete opposites , we want  the model to get work and will pass out her info and tag her in our photos when she allows it . I just don't see the point in controlling the model's networking , she needs to make a living .

When going to meetup's you should bring your own model release for the model(s) to sign. That is pretty much your responsibility. As far as going out of your way to refer models to photographers, if the photographer is just a hobbist then they might not have time or resources available. If they consider themselves an accomplished photographer and have plenty of models coming to them why would they need  take you up on it. Also, lots of other good reasons have been stated above. And some people are just a**holes.

As for giving out info to you about other models it is mostly a reputation thing. I would forward your info to the model and let them decide if they want to work with you are not, especially if I don't know you that well or what kind of work you would produce.

Just some food for thought.

Oct 06 12 05:41 am Link

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CraigVoisin Photography

Posts: 129

Whitesboro, Texas, US

i never ask for her address or SS # its not that info i care about .. just a name i can search on here or other networks to be able to initiate a first contact . I've had one person say , and i'll quote his words : "when i use her and she's yesterday's news everyone else can shoot her if they like" . I was shocked by that statement . No model should be refered to as "yesterday's news"
As for the model release thing i was told on more than one meetup event we were not allowed to bring our own releases , yet still no one that attended got any from the organizers .

for those that didnt read my 1st post . i said i pass out her info "when she allows it".  that means her full contact info ... but i at least give her MM # if they are on here .

Oct 07 12 07:29 pm Link

Model

_Rei_

Posts: 124

Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia

I guess I'm not aware of how often photographers pass on my details to other interested photographers - if they didn't, I'd be none the wiser.

Everyone I've worked with on MM has at least credited me on their images. And every now and again a photographer I know will send me contact details for another photographer who has expressed interest to them. I appreciate them doing it this way - I can decide for myself if I'd like to follow up.
I've also had photographers help me out finding paid work in their area when I travel - it increases the chances I'll visit, stay for longer, and come back again. Everyone wins :-)

I guess it's just like models recommending good photographers to other models. I do this whenever I can, and I've never found it decreases the amount of work I get (in fact, other models return the favour). But I've heard that some don't do this for fear of decreasing their own stock of good, paid work. It seems to me that you get what you give, in terms of networking.

Oct 07 12 11:01 pm Link