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Model

Yoshimi Robot Battle

Posts: 35

Sunderland, England, United Kingdom

I'm fairly new to modelling and so far I've been lucky in that every photographer I've worked with has been friendly and reliable, except one who flaked on me.

So let's hear the story of the worst model or tog you've ever had to work with, so I know what to avoid/how to avoid being "that model" tongue

Oct 07 12 06:07 am Link

Photographer

Blue Ash Film Group

Posts: 9544

Cincinnati, Ohio, US

This thread has potential outing written all over it.

Oct 07 12 06:12 am Link

Model

Yoshimi Robot Battle

Posts: 35

Sunderland, England, United Kingdom

Blue Ash Film Group wrote:
This thread has potential outing written all over it.

Should I add "no naming" to the original post perhaps?

Oct 07 12 06:18 am Link

Model

Just Danielle

Posts: 2334

Petersfield, England, United Kingdom

Yoshimi Robot Battle wrote:

Should I add "no naming" to the original post perhaps?

Well yeah that is against MM rules, but if you search the forums you'll find about a million similar threads.

Oct 07 12 06:36 am Link

Photographer

Jim White Photography

Posts: 593

Orlando, Florida, US

As long as you don't come tweaked on Crystal Meth to a tfp shoot, try to charge me when you get there, then offer to have sex for money when I refuse to pay to shoot you, you won't be "that model" for me.

Oct 07 12 07:01 am Link

Model

Cole Morrison

Posts: 3958

Portland, Oregon, US

chances are, if i wrote a story about the bad experience(s), that person would see it here, and it would become "outing".
sounds like a lot of drama i dont need.

Oct 07 12 07:06 am Link

Photographer

GER Photography

Posts: 7947

Imperial, California, US

That would be telling, wouldn't it.

Oct 07 12 07:06 am Link

Photographer

PTPhotoUT

Posts: 1961

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Jim White Photography wrote:
As long as you don't come tweaked on Crystal Meth to a tfp shoot, try to charge me when you get their, then off to have sex for money when I refuse to pay, you won't be "that model" for me.

Sounds like we worked with the same model!  She actually smoked meth on the set before we were supposed to shoot. Needless to say the shoot didn't happen and it ended the same as yours.

Oct 07 12 07:10 am Link

Photographer

Jim White Photography

Posts: 593

Orlando, Florida, US

PTPhotoUT wrote:

Sounds like we worked with the same model!  She actually smoked meth on the set before we were supposed to shoot. Needless to say the shoot didn't happen and it ended the same as yours.

Actually, being propositioned by a tweaked provider didn't stop me....I shot a couple looks. Later she told be the pictures sucked.

Oct 07 12 07:16 am Link

Photographer

Jim White Photography

Posts: 593

Orlando, Florida, US

Cole Morrison wrote:
chances are, if i wrote a story about the bad experience(s), that person would see it here, and it would become "outing".
sounds like a lot of drama i dont need.

Actually it wouldn't be outing, just describing an experience. You might be helping some other poor unsuspecting model too. Besides we all really want to hear the story.

Oct 07 12 07:18 am Link

Photographer

Ed Woodson Photography

Posts: 2644

Savannah, Georgia, US

Every once in a while there's one you have a bad feeling about.   

But, you don't listen to voice in your head and you go ahead and shoot them anyway.

Oct 07 12 07:29 am Link

Photographer

Matt Schmidt

Posts: 3681

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

. . . bad idea . . .

Oct 07 12 07:34 am Link

Model

Dekilah

Posts: 4890

Detroit, Michigan, US

Early on I had some issues and they were because I had not learned what to look for and how to be assertive.

For example, the first shoot I showed up for that did not actually happen... the photographer was not listening to my concern in our communications and he had very few references.

In another shoot, I was actually warned about a photographer having a certain issue. But I shot with him anyway because he explained it away. I still do not know if he actually did what the other person said, but he was very rude to me during our shoot.

But then I learned how to pick out the red flags and recognize things in pre-booking communications that tip me off to issues. I have also learned how to assertively and still politely say no to poses or concepts that are outside of my limits. Networking is also super important because it makes it much easier to check references and get a heads up on people who are a serious issue.

Oct 07 12 08:36 am Link

Model

Julia Francesca

Posts: 2365

Maumee, Ohio, US

tf shoots can always be a toss up but it really sucks when you travel an hour away for one on your own dime, stay for 5 hours and shoot in 10 outfits and then get one picture from it. oh yeah, totally worth it, NOT. thankfully pretty much everyone i've worked with has been wonderful though.

Oct 07 12 08:39 am Link

Model

QuietAsKept

Posts: 5935

Baltimore, Maryland, US

It's been several times when I've paid a photographer and they did not deliver. I was a new model when these incidents happened and I was taken advantage of because of my lack of modeling skills.

These incidents happened before I was open to doing nudes though. In my experience so far, being open to shooting nudes has opened many doors for me. smile

Oct 07 12 08:45 am Link

Model

P I X I E

Posts: 35327

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Yikes...

Oct 07 12 08:58 am Link

Model

P I X I E

Posts: 35327

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Caustic Disco wrote:
tf shoots can always be a toss up but it really sucks when you travel an hour away for one on your own dime, stay for 5 hours and shoot in 10 outfits and then get one picture from it. oh yeah, totally worth it, NOT. thankfully pretty much everyone i've worked with has been wonderful though.

And that's why you discuss about details like the number of photos you will get BEFORE shooting... It's not exactly rocket science.

Oct 07 12 08:59 am Link

Model

Julia Francesca

Posts: 2365

Maumee, Ohio, US

P I X I E wrote:

And that's why you discuss about details like the number of photos you will get BEFORE shooting... It's not exactly rocket science.

Thanks.

Oct 07 12 09:02 am Link

Photographer

Darren Brade

Posts: 2833

London, England, United Kingdom

Yoshimi Robot Battle wrote:
I'm fairly new to modelling and so far I've been lucky in that every photographer I've worked with has been friendly and reliable, except one who flaked on me.

So let's hear the story of the worst model or tog you've ever had to work with, so I know what to avoid/how to avoid being "that model" tongue

The best thing is to network with local creatives and learn from them through word of mouth rather than in a public space like this. The last thing anyone wants is to be caught up in drama.

Always be positive, you've had just one flake out of many good experiences and Yet you want to create a thread about negative experiences? Concentrate on all that's good.

If life throws you lemons, make orange juice! That'll teach them to screw with you. ;-)

Oct 07 12 09:05 am Link

Model

P I X I E

Posts: 35327

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Caustic Disco wrote:

Thanks.

Just trying to be helpful. Disregard my advice if you see fit...

Oct 07 12 09:10 am Link

Model

Julia Francesca

Posts: 2365

Maumee, Ohio, US

P I X I E wrote:

Just trying to be helpful. Disregard my advice if you see fit...

lol all i said was thanks?

Oct 07 12 09:11 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Yoshimi Robot Battle wrote:
I'm fairly new to modelling and so far I've been lucky in that every photographer I've worked with has been friendly and reliable, except one who flaked on me.

So let's hear the story of the worst model or tog you've ever had to work with, so I know what to avoid/how to avoid being "that model" tongue

If you only count AT the shoot, modeling comes down to looks, skill, and attitude.  Overall, I've been pretty lucky, but I've had a couple who didn't look as good as expected, and a small number who had really lousy attitudes.  I work with a lot of novices, so lack of skill isn't unusual, even though some people pick up posing, and especially showing a variety of expressions, faster than others.

Oct 07 12 09:43 am Link

Photographer

DMesser Photography

Posts: 1288

Oceanside, California, US

Everyone has flakes at one time or another.  Your better off concentrating on photogs you want to work with and who's models tell you that they don't flake.

Oct 07 12 10:26 am Link

Model

Alabaster Crowley

Posts: 8265

Tucson, Arizona, US

Dekilah wrote:
Early on I had some issues and they were because I had not learned what to look for and how to be assertive.

+1

I had two shoots where I never got photos back. The shoot themselves weren't bad; I just stopped hearing from them both after.

Oct 07 12 10:34 am Link

Photographer

Fotografica Gregor

Posts: 4122

Alexandria, Virginia, US

The only disappointments I've had is with models who did not show up - and this was very early in my time here, before I had developed more of a "presence" or a brand.

I compensated for that by holding shoots where I invited several models and had time to shoot them all if they all showed up.  It was usually around 60% in those days.

The models who did show up got images they liked - as witness the fact that they are still in their portfolios over a year later.

Anymore I have more models expressing interest than I have time to shoot with so it's not really a problem....

Oct 07 12 11:23 am Link

Photographer

udor

Posts: 22387

New York, New York, US

Yoshimi Robot Battle wrote:
I'm fairly new to modelling and so far I've been lucky in that every photographer I've worked with has been friendly and reliable, except one who flaked on me.

So let's hear the story of the worst model or tog you've ever had to work with, so I know what to avoid/how to avoid being "that model" tongue

Congratulations on your positive experience sofar, and I think that your intention on finding out what NOT TO DO is commendable, however, the wording of the thread header is rather misleading.

So, the worst model that I have ever worked with was one of the most negative persons ever.

She was constantly complaining and bitching about other models, photographers, designers, MUA's... she would stop bitching and being upset that she never get's called back for another shoot etc.

While I had to listen to her while we worked... I made the decision that I will never work with her again, ever...

Lesson, nobody wants to work with negative people who are bitching about others!

Be positive, if you don't have anything positive to say about colleagues, don't say anything... or at least, don't get overboard.

Hope that helps!

Oct 07 12 11:38 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22615

Salem, Oregon, US

aside from not showing up, i haven't had any major problems. a few models who weren't 100% because of illness but gave it their best anyway. i did have one MUA who barely made an 11am call time because she had been out at the casino all night with her BFF but she and the customer got along great so it worked out ok. and i had one boyfriend escort who didn't like any of his girlfriend's wardrobe choices so we only shot the outfit she came in.

i hear stories from models about various photographers. sometimes the complaint is that they were disheveled and others times it's that they were too clinical. then there was the guy who was walking in the woods alone with his model and suddenly said "wouldn't this be a great spot to bury a body?" lol or the guy who wanted to suck on the model's toes (willing to pay extra for that). and unfortunately i have heard about one sexual assault during a bondage shoot.

Oct 07 12 12:12 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32234

Woodinville, Washington, US

udor wrote:
the worst model that I have ever worked with was one of the most negative persons ever.

Same here. A model I met through omp... really gorgeous, but a total bitch. I cut the shoot short by half and sent her home. Until that point, I'd always wondered how much shit I'd take from a really good-looking model. Turned out, not much.

Preshoot, we haggled over images. She wanted all the RAWs on CD at the shoot; I don't give any RAWs. She finally gave in, but once she arrived at the shoot, the first thing she did was break out her laptop and tell me I'd be uploading all my RAWs to it. I stood my ground and was willing to call off the shoot right there.

She gave in, but stayed pissed off.

From the getgo it was clear that -- contrary to her claims in her profile -- she had almost no experience and no posing chops. She claimed experience but got angry that I wasn't directing her posing all the way down to how she oriented her fingers. She then complained about every pose: this tree bark is too rough... this boulder is too hard... this nice soft grass is hurting my knees... this pose is stupid... that's a dumb idea.

She also whipped out the crackberry to text every time there was a five-second gap in shooting. No exaggeration there. If I stopped to chimp a shot, when I was ready to shoot again, there she'd be, texting away. I don't know how many time I had to ask her to put that damned thing away.

And when we walked from site to site, she walked 15-20 feet behind me. When I slowed to let her catch up, she slowed down. Beautiful her didn't want to be seen walking with ugly me.

I told her she clearly didn't have her head in the shoot, but I gave her one last chance. I asked for one fifteen-minute set. She hem-hawed for a few seconds and I told her the shoot was over.

She almost ran someone down in her hot little sports car as she left the location.

In hindsight, the only harbinger of bad news was her protracted insistence on getting all RAWs at the end of the shoot. Now I give all noob models one free iteration of that argument, but if a model persists, I end the conversation and look for the next model.

Oct 07 12 12:36 pm Link

Photographer

R Michael Walker

Posts: 11986

Costa Mesa, California, US

The ones who no showed for the shoots.

Oct 07 12 12:38 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32234

Woodinville, Washington, US

R Michael Walker wrote:
The ones who no showed for the shoots.

Have you really worked with them, then?

Oct 07 12 12:39 pm Link

Photographer

SitronStudio

Posts: 1064

Venice, Florida, US

I had a model schedule a 10 a.m. shoot  from a city 4 hours away, calls me at 9 to tell me they missed the early train and would be late, then called to say they were on the wrong train. They finally showed up at the studio at 5, spent most of the time on the phone saying "Ma, I can't talk now, I'm with MY PHOTOGRAPHER". Diva attitude the whole time. I sent out for  pizza, they sat in the corner on the phone and ignored my assistant and I. I made it a quick shoot and didn't feel bad about not offering a ride to the train station.

Oct 07 12 01:27 pm Link

Model

Ivanafox

Posts: 979

Healesville, Victoria, Australia

Mostly the ones who don't follow through with images from a Tf shoot.

One photographer who for some reason decided I was going to flake and was completely unprepared when I arrived. Luckily the shoot was at his home so I wasn't left standing somewhere wondering WTF.

And one unpleasant person that I'm not going to go into, suffice to say I reported him to his camera club who said they had suspicions about him and barred him, and I inquired with the police about some of the creepy things he talked about.

Oct 07 12 06:10 pm Link

Model

Ivanafox

Posts: 979

Healesville, Victoria, Australia

Dekilah wrote:
Early on I had some issues and they were because I had not learned what to look for and how to be assertive.

For example, the first shoot I showed up for that did not actually happen... the photographer was not listening to my concern in our communications and he had very few references.

In another shoot, I was actually warned about a photographer having a certain issue. But I shot with him anyway because he explained it away. I still do not know if he actually did what the other person said, but he was very rude to me during our shoot.

But then I learned how to pick out the red flags and recognize things in pre-booking communications that tip me off to issues. I have also learned how to assertively and still politely say no to poses or concepts that are outside of my limits. Networking is also super important because it makes it much easier to check references and get a heads up on people who are a serious issue.

Good information here, and my experience too.

Oct 07 12 06:13 pm Link

Photographer

Wildcat Photography

Posts: 1486

Valparaiso, Indiana, US

QuietAsKept wrote:
In my experience so far, being open to shooting nudes has opened many doors for me. smile

+1

Oct 08 12 07:39 am Link

Model

immateria

Posts: 15446

Brooklyn, New York, US

You haven't truly lived until the FBI contacts you about a photographer you worked with.

Oct 08 12 07:54 am Link

Photographer

Tony KnightHawk Studios

Posts: 1900

Fort Myers Beach, Florida, US

R Michael Walker wrote:
The ones who no showed for the shoots.

Orca Bay Images wrote:
Have you really worked with them, then?

LOL this made me laugh

Oct 08 12 07:54 am Link

Photographer

Photos by Lorrin

Posts: 6988

Eugene, Oregon, US

the religious Christian girl, that claimed I knew a witch (someone else I shot - actress doing a Tarot ad) and that she would put a spell on her pictures I took and wanted them destroyed.

(I was only to happy to give them to her)

She also claimed her land lords answering machine was recording her in her bedroom.  (this was before video)

Oct 08 12 09:45 am Link

Photographer

Steven A Thompson

Posts: 549

Los Angeles, California, US

Double post. Ye ol' 502.

Oct 08 12 10:13 am Link

Photographer

Steven A Thompson

Posts: 549

Los Angeles, California, US

Mine are pretty mundane.

Model shows up for a nude/art shoot both in and out of wardrobe. She's 10 years older and 30 lbs heavier than her portfolio claimed and didn't fit any of the wardrobe. I shot her quickly, paid her as promised, even shared a beer afterwards while she waited for her ride. Great person, but I'm not sure if she knew my disappointment or just thought I was really efficient.

In another case I hired a model to do a shot that specifically required getting soaking wet. I was very clear in my communications and, indeed, this was a response to a specific casting call for this as well. We shot a few ideas leading up to the shot and when the time came she had to Google to see if she could get her synthetic hair wet. Apparently not. Later I Googled her. That was the last time I don't do a simple reference or Internet check. Interesting footage I found...should have Googled first.

Oh...and there was the one where the escort ripped off the studio owner while I was working with the model...but that's another thread (yes, it did happen and there were security cams).

Oct 08 12 10:17 am Link

Photographer

Wolfy4u

Posts: 1103

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

My worst shoot was a model who first cancelled at the last minute, but rescheduled and showed up the second.
The first look we did was with a white background, but I told her that I was experimenting with shooting against white, later changing the background to black so the lighting for those images would not be usable. She later told me that they were her favorites (with the white backdrop) and wanted some edited for her
I have a bedroom type mirror in the studio and she wanted me to put it so she could use it while she modeled. I explained that it's very difficult to model both for a mirror and a camera at the same time, but she could use it to check her hair or wardrobe. She insisted on looking at it constantly and when I moved to so she couldn't see it, she moved it back.
She had at least one nude on her portfolio and mentioned doing at least implied.
When I gave her an outfit, she'd come back with that outfit layered with other clothes which added 10lbs to her look.
Late when I wanted to do some images similar to the nudes/implied in her portfolio, she said she felt her body wasn't up to implied or nude.
I had agree to give her proofs and edit 'a few' photos for her. She emailed and asked for 50 edited photos.
She left some clothes at the studio and called to get them, but it took 6-8 calls/times for her to finally pick up the clothes.
I didn't get any images that I liked and the shoot was a total waste of time for me.

Oct 08 12 10:37 am Link