Pelham, New York, US
Nicole, right now, I don't think there would be many photographers that will refuse you
Oct 07 12 02:43 pm Link
Santa Rosa, California, US
Neil Snape wrote:
Normally if I see someone I want to trade with I just send them a quick message inquiring if they're interested in trading with me. However, when I thought I was going to be in your area I was actually quite terrified to message you and only did so because you indicated in a critique that you might be interested in working with me. Your work is so fantastic I think most models who don't know how kind you are in the forums will just assume that you'd have the pick of any agency model you want and decide not to contact you for fear of being laughed at.
Oct 07 12 04:03 pm Link
Marengo, Ohio, US
It has been about 50/50. Sometimes the model contacts me first, sometimes I contact them. Have thick enough skin to accept rejection.
Oct 07 12 04:08 pm Link
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Jeff Fiore wrote:
That's what I'm striving for
Oct 07 12 05:51 pm Link
Boynton Beach, Florida, US
Boynton Beach, Florida, US
I would shoot with you
Detroit, Michigan, US
Neil Snape wrote:
I do not really feel it takes courage, but then I do not tend to ask people who I feel are way out of my skill/level range. Oddly for me, a fairly experienced model used to shooting often back in East TN, when I first moved here to Detroit I contacted several photographers as well as a ton of MUAs and did not get the responses I expected. I actually got no responses from the MUAs and very few photographer responses. After that I picked up self portraits partly because I could not find any shoots. It was really discouraging and I have been doing this for a while, so I can imagine that newer models might take this even harder and not try contacting people again. In my case I have kind of just said "screw it" and I do my self portraits and work with a few photographers at an event. Occasionally I will contact someone I would really like to shoot with, so I still do contact photographers, but less often. Plus I am way busier with other aspects of life so I do not have nearly as much free time to shoot so I do not care to "beg" people to shoot with me and take up what little free time I have. So I ask once, and after that, I let it go, usually.
Oct 07 12 06:42 pm Link
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
- BP Photo - wrote:
I've had that experience some. I would say out of the models I contact I want to shoot and the models that contact me that want to shoot only about 10 percent actually show up. It's starting to get a little better. I think as you work your way up with models and not working with newbs so much you'll get less flakes. In the meantime just book more than one model for the same day:-)
Oct 07 12 07:08 pm Link
Houston, Texas, US
I get occasional messages from traveling or local professional nude models (and by that I mean models who exclusively do this for a living), but so far have never had a message from a model who is simply interested in adding to her portfolio and wants to to a TF shoot.
Maybe it's because my focus is on artistic nudes, but as I mention in my profile, "If you want head shots or clothed images for your portfolio but are willing to shoot nudes for mine, we have the makings of a collaboration."
I would certainly welcome hearing from someone who wants to shoot. Don't be shy.
Oct 07 12 07:28 pm Link
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia
I still get a shy about it, but I do it from time to time and I think it's really worthwhile.
Sometimes I'll wait a bit and see if they put up a casting call that I'd suit. Or I'll post a nice tag and comment and hope they get in touch. Still other times, I'll suck it up and send a short, polite message. I do sometimes get that little twinge of, "Oh, they probably get hundreds of messages like mine, and I'm just bothering them", but it's a bit exciting when they write back and are totally into the idea of shooting. Once or twice I've received radio silence in return, but this never bothers me as much as I think it will.
Location is a consideration - asking to shoot with a photographer in my area means that I can be more flexible with availability. When I travel, I usually try to book paid work to cover expenses first, and any free time after that gets filled with photographers I've been chatting with about collaborating, or I'll look around to see if there's anyone amazing that I'm feeling brave enough to say hello to. :-)
Oct 07 12 07:33 pm Link
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I've gone way out on a limb and asked people I had no buisness asking to shoot with me. Few have said yes, of that only one of them has worked out. Most ignore me, some say no, some quote rates, a few get angry.
I generally only request shoots from people of I think that we're pretty close to the same level of experience and I feel that I can genuinely add something to their portfolio and they mine. There's nothing more annoying to a full time model than tons of "I wanna help you build a portfolio"s from people who joined yesterday and didn't even look at my port, or they're absolutely delusional when they compare their work to what I've done. So I never want to be that person, I try really hard to make an not-batshit-crazy assessment of where I'm at and if they're going to feel the same way, or if I'm going to be utterly insulting.
I also need to be able to commit to a shoot with them and reach them. There's a handful of people in LA I've gotten the green light from but now I have no idea when I'm ever going to make it back to LA, so that sucks.
I also go by what's in their portfolio. If their port is NOTHING but fashion/commercial work with agency girls, what on earth do I think they're going to be able to use me for? Maybe they've got some secret stash of work with non-agency girls somewhere that I don't know about, but I'd rather just not bother them than wind up the subject of someone's daily rant about "this stupid short nude model thinks I want to shoot her, what the hell was she thinking?"
I also feel guilty approaching someone to shoot me without having a fantastic idea or concept. Realistically, if I like their portfolio, I want something like what's being shown. If that's what they do, then I want that. But so often the forums are crowded with "so this model asked to shoot, but I had to do all the work, she just wanted to show up and look pretty, I had to come up with the concept and the location and the styling". Some people have their niche and love shooting the same type of work over and over again with a new face, some people get super offended if you point to a photo in their port and say "I want to do (something like/more of) that!"
Oct 07 12 08:01 pm Link
London, England, United Kingdom
I don't really like asking for stuff in general so asking people for shoots is always a bit scary, but as someone said earlier, the worst they can do is say no. So if there's someone I really want to work with I will often suck it up and ask.
When I'm feeling wimpish I send them a message saying how great their port is but with no mention of shooting and then judge from their response whether they are likely to be interested. As I said, this is me being wimpish. If you want something you should ask.
Oct 08 12 02:27 am Link
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
I've asked models to shoot trade, and had models ask me. I find models generally polite, and often humbled. I know I'm certainly humbled whenever I get contacted by a model, no matter who they are. Even if I'm not currently looking to shoot their particular look or style, I'll certainly keep them in mind for future projects.
These days everyone's busy and everyone has preferences, but there's so many interesting and creative people on this site, anyone not willing to make contact is missing out
Oct 08 12 04:53 am Link
Brooklyn, New York, US
This is me.
Oct 08 12 07:34 am Link
Olivet, Michigan, US
Laura UnBound wrote:
If a model, even one who was quite a bit less accomplished than you, but who had a suitable look, approached me without a concept, it wouldn't faze me. Or, with a concept, as long as it didn't require me to spend a fortune. Most of my "concepts" are pretty simple, and when they aren't, I'm not going to get into detail about it until someone commits to shoot with me, so it only seems fair to view model requests the same way.
Oct 08 12 08:21 am Link
CAPE PORPOISE, Maine, US
It is a cold day in hell that I get contacted by a model who wants to shoot with me. Happens more on Facebook, to be honest. Not really sure what's up with that. Maine is a really small pool of models. Makes me think my work isn't very good when no one contacts me. This, of course, makes me kick ass on the shoots I do eventually end up setting up, so...... what are you waiting for? Contact me already, damn it!
Oct 08 12 10:34 am Link
Seattle, Washington, US
I have very little experience, or at least I think so.
In a way I tend to treat photographers as I would men of interest if they do not show any slight interest in me, even things like a comment or a tag or a hello in Shout I would most likely not talk to them. I hate being considered annoying or a bother, it sets a wrong tone. I also had photographers contact me about a shoot and go back and forth with me about it for month but never making any concrete plans, at some point with those even if I would love to do it I just give up. I understand that people get busy but again, I don't want to be bothersome so if they are not interested enough to make it stick then it's best to move on.
So far most work I have done from MM were casting calls, two photographers that contacted me, and a few people I talk to here on regular basis.
Oct 08 12 11:01 am Link
Vineland, New Jersey, US
Most of the models I shoot with answer my casting calls. If I email them without prior contact, 99% of the time my messages get ignored (no response). The other 1% ends up being no shoot for whatever reason (normally they just vanish, a few have flaked and one went through the exchange of messages to get the shoot planned to tell me her rates are $500 an hour with a 2 hour minimum). .
I have had a few male models contact me (usually because of a casting call). They usually end up not being shoots, too. One wanted to do something I'm not interested in (nudes). Another made the plans, set up the date, etc etc ... then 2 days before said something happened and he couldn't shoot.
Oct 08 12 06:18 pm Link
New York, New York, US
I ask, but sometimes it takes me a long time to finally message someone that I really wish to work with as it does take courage. I am often initially nervous messaging those who I really admire. It would DEFINITELY take a lot of courage for me to approach you for trade!
Oct 08 12 06:25 pm Link
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I definitely like to be approached by models, but it only happens occasionally. That's somewhat strange to me, as I have pretty good luck with reaching out to models I want to shoot.
Oct 08 12 06:52 pm Link
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Augustine York wrote:
Oct 08 12 07:46 pm Link
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I do a little of both. I reply to castings, I send PMs, and I receive offers. And I'm nervous as heck talking to someone I haven't worked with before, but the worst that will happen is they'll say "No," so I just go for it
Oct 08 12 08:03 pm Link
Rochester, New York, US
i generally ask, then i wait...and wait...
Oct 08 12 10:04 pm Link
Portland, Oregon, US
Neil Snape wrote:
I never asked. I should have, but I just didn't. I figure most local photographers browse models, if someone wanted work with me they'd probably ask? I don't know, feels rude to ask I guess
Oct 08 12 11:32 pm Link
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Joseph William wrote:
Oct 11 12 12:26 pm Link
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US
I'm proactive and seek photographers my self and PM them with my proposed idea. Worst case scenario is they say no, here's my rates.
Oct 11 12 12:28 pm Link
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
I'm not shy and never have been. If I really want to shoot with someone they know it I also get far more requests than I send.
Oct 11 12 12:46 pm Link
Gibraltar, Michigan, US
Oh and to answer the OPs question, every time I've modeled, I was asked to by the photographer or the model that wanted to work with me
Oct 12 12 05:51 am Link
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US
I'll ask, though sometimes it might take me a bit to get up the courage. LOL
I mean, not many people have accused me of being shy, but I am.
Oct 12 12 06:47 am Link
Richmond, Virginia, US
I just wait for what comes by. I'm not the llama professional, It's just fun and hobbies.
Oct 12 12 09:31 am Link
Exeter, England, United Kingdom
I'm fairly new to modelling, but i've sent so many messages to photographers asking to work with them.
You never know who'll be interested.
Oct 12 12 10:39 pm Link
Phoenix, Arizona, US
If I come across the portfolio of a photographer I admire, I absolutely feel comfortable to send a PM just to say hi and put out the feelers if they would be interested in working with me. I feel that just leaving a TAG gets kind of lost among all the generic tags. If the photog doesn't respond then I just know that it wasn't meant to be. I am sure the super busy photogs get soooo many tags, comments, FR, and PMs that it can be difficult to stop, look at a port, then respond.
Oct 21 12 10:56 am Link