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Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
I am glad to see some balance on this topic - indeed, not all escorts are a negative.

I do not mind a model bringing an escort / family member - whatever to a shoot. They are welcome to meet me and my production team, tour the studio, and I will find them a comfy place to wait....

Nonetheless I do not allow escorts to be actually on my set when I am shooting -

We already have a professional wardrobe stylist or designer,  a makeup artist, a hair stylist,  and of course, myself and my model(s) on set -  that is enough to manage.

And perhaps someone's escort will make one or more of my production team people uncomfortable -  I can't have that, as we maintain a focused and professional environment.

For context -  while I encourage my production team to keep an eye out for things that need addressed or adjusted during the shoot, I don't even want to know they are there when I am concentrating....

On a practical basis - the only models who have asked to bring an escort to my shoots have been newbies. I am sure that this is not always the case but it is my experience.  The experienced fashion models I work with do not ask to bring escorts.

I've had a couple show up being driven by a friend or SO - and that is fine -  I like to have the opportunity to meet people.  We've got books and magazines, quiet spaces and comfy chairs and couches for our guests...

There is no balance here.

You either allow escorts, or you do not.

You do not allow escorts in your shooting area, which is the commonly accepted definition of an escort.

You do allow drivers, which are not escorts.

And no one ever stated that all escorts are bad, or all photographers are bad.

Oct 14 12 03:49 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12824

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Brian T Rickey wrote:
I do not know much of this escort thing you speak of.

But I wish you well.

I think they mean that person who is supposed to leave after they drop off the model and someitmes the don't want to leave.  Well they do leave and with the model they came with about 15 seconds later but I digress...

Oct 14 12 03:59 pm Link

Photographer

White Lace Studios

Posts: 1719

Mesa, Arizona, US

Image K wrote:
I salute good http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpgs, as well.

However, for many of us, the potential safety/liability/distraction/theft concerns just aren't worth the risk.

No one has ever claimed that it's not possible to have a positive http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg experience. I have had them myself.

Once a photographer has had one or two bad http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg experiences, it changes how he/she perceives the issue.

If models can justify the need for http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpgs after a bad experience with a photographer, she should easily understand why a photographer would stop allowing them after a bad http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg experience.

^This.

I do not allow them.

I have no problem with a driver. If he/she drops the model off, then leaves.  Happy to meet them when they drop the model off. But they won't be staying.

Oct 14 12 04:00 pm Link

Photographer

Jhono Bashian

Posts: 2432

Cleveland, Ohio, US

Jason Bassett wrote:
no escorts here, unless it's another beautiful naked model.

amen to that!!

Oct 14 12 04:00 pm Link

Photographer

Fotografica Gregor

Posts: 4122

Alexandria, Virginia, US

Image K wrote:

There is no balance here.

You either allow escorts, or you do not.

You do not allow escorts in your shooting area, which is the commonly accepted definition of an escort.

You do allow drivers, which are not escorts.

And no one ever stated that all escorts are bad, or all photographers are bad.

LoL - sounds like you just want to argue -  escort threads have that result quite often -   but I'm not interested, k?

Oct 14 12 04:08 pm Link

Photographer

Eridu

Posts: 623

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Interested.

Oct 14 12 04:10 pm Link

Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Fotografica Gregor wrote:

LoL - sounds like you just want to argue -  escort threads have that result quite often -   but I'm not interested, k?

Nope. Not interested in arguing. I'm saddened that you perceived my response as an "argument".

Most escort threads deteriorate into "arguments" because many define escorts differently. Most photographers that do not allow escorts define escorts as someone that insists on remaining in the shooting area during shooting, and they are willing to make the same compromises that you are.

You do not allow anyone in the shooting area that does not have a work-related reason for being there. You are an anti-escort photographer, despite the positive spin that you tried to put on it, since the experience you described was NOT allowing an escort.

Oct 14 12 04:17 pm Link

Photographer

Glenns Photography

Posts: 228

PASO ROBLES, California, US

I usually put them to work holding reflectors, moving light stands, carrying equipment bags, etc... Plus, if they are very good friends with the model they usually put them at ease and are able to get them to have a natural, not so nervous look. I always invite models to bring someone that knows them well just for that purpose.

Oct 14 12 04:27 pm Link

Model

Natalie Kay Stokes

Posts: 12

Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Personally when I attend a shoot I have to have an escort as I have a medical condition which can be flash sensitive. I had my first shoot on Saturday and my escort who is also my boyfriend was a great helping with straps, as well as helping me relax.

Oct 14 12 04:34 pm Link

Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Natalie Kay Stokes wrote:
Personally when I attend a shoot I have to have an escort as I have a medical condition which can be flash sensitive. I had my first shoot on Saturday and my escort who is also my boyfriend was a great helping with straps, as well as helping me relax.

You are 17 yrs old, so you should have an escort regardless.

As far as legit medical conditions, I agree...and I allowed escort recently with a model that suffers from seizures.

Oct 14 12 04:40 pm Link

Model

Jessie Shannon

Posts: 2004

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Wait! Are we still talking about escorts? I thought that was last week?

Oct 14 12 04:42 pm Link

Model

J Jessica

Posts: 2325

Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, US

Jason Bassett wrote:
no escorts here, unless it's another beautiful naked model.

Hi, Jason!




Moving on, I still bring my bunny to shoots. smile
The photographers never mind because she's too adorable.

Oct 14 12 04:47 pm Link

Photographer

Marc Turnley

Posts: 514

Atlanta, Georgia, US

And then there's Amanda Logue's escort.

Worth a Google.  And yes, both of them are in jail.

Oct 14 12 04:49 pm Link

Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Jessie Shannon wrote:
Wait! Are we still talking about escorts? I thought that was last week?

We'll probably be talking about them again next week, and probably no more than we talk about these other repeat topics that are JUST as nauseating:


1.  Models that flake.
2.  Photographers that flake.
3.  Photographer raped me of my body and my mind.
4.  I didn’t get my pictures, whatever shall I do?
5.  I only got six pictures from my TFP!  I was robbed!
6.  Photographer gave me pictures with way too much Photoshopping.
7.  Photographer gave me raw pictures that weren’t edited.
8.  Photographers rely too much on Photoshop.  You should take good pictures like me.
9.  Models with no experience who want to be paid.
10. Models with no comp cards who want to be paid.
11. Photographers with crappy ports who want to be paid.
12. Why can’t I get paid?
13. What rates should I charge?
14. Sleazy photographer won’t let me bring an escort!
15. Paranoid model wants to bring an escort.
16. Photographers who won’t let models bring escorts suck.
17. What am I doing wrong?   
18. I’m a short plus model and I’m going to change the industry!
19. I’m tall and skinny and you suck.
20. I’m short and round and you suck.
21. I’m short/fat/black/white/old/too young so nobody will shoot me and it’s not fair.
22. Model has nudes in her port and won’t do nudes.
23. So what if I have nudes in my port, I’m not doing them with you, sucka!
24. All photographers ever want is nudes.
25. I have too much respect for myself to do nudes.
26. Models don’t respond to emails.
27. Photographer sent me an unprofessional email.
28. Photographers don’t respond to emails.
29. Model sent me an unprofessional email.
30. Is this a scam?  (Hint:  yes, it is, and you are really stupid for asking.)
31. Agency had me do a webcam interview and then didn’t hire me!
32. Can anyone recommend a good agency for petite models?
33. Has anybody ever heard of . . . (followed by nowhere near enough information to uniquely identify them)?
34. People here are so mean!
35. People here suck up so much, can’t anyone tell the truth?
36. People here are so unprofessional.
37. People here are elitist.
38. I got nuthin’ but I’m looking for attention.
39. Vote for me
40. Should I get a manager?
41. Do I have what it takes to be a model?
42. Models should always sign releases.
43. Models should never sign releases.
44. Photographers are always trying to make me sign a release.
45. I didn’t sign a release.  Can the photographer use my pictures?
46. I signed a release.  Can the photographer use my pictures?
47. I paid for pictures and the photographer claims he owns them.
48. The way to get a good port is to do TFPs with everyone who owns a camera.
49. TFPs suck, and you can’t get a good port from them.
50. Always pay if you want good pictures.
51. I’ve been here 20 minutes and nobody has commented on my port!
52. You’re a photographer.  You aren’t going to get comments.  Get over it.
53. People only comment on nudes.
54. Barbizon/JRP/JC or any other modeling school?
55. Model Search America or any other model search?
56. Model lied about her height/weight/age.
57. Photographer lied about the size of his lens.
58. Nikon vs Cannon.
59. I need ideas for a shoot.
60. What type of lights should I use.
61. Is it Porn or Art?
62. If GOD existed what kind of camera would he use?
63. Wich model has the best single strand of hair?
64. White Lightnings are the best strobes ever.
65. White Lightnings suck.
66. hI, mY nAmE iS _____________, im nEw tOO mOdElMaHEm. pLeAsE cHeCK oUT mY pORtFoLIo.
67. wat up dog mi nam iz ______________, em nu 2 mm, chex my shitz. hitme up ef u wantna shuut.
68. OH MY GAWD! ICAN'T BELEIVE I FINALY SINGED UP 4 MM. I DONT HAV MANY PICS HERE YET BUT U CAN CHECK ME OUT ON MYSPACE. XOXO.
69. haha  get it? 69?
70. I was wronged by a MOD.
71. What a rude tag from this member!
72. What a rude comment of my picture!
73. My rant about model ports with cell phone pictures.
74. My rant about photographer ports with all nudes.
75. My rant about model manager/boyfriends.
76. I can't believe what this member wrote on their profile.
77. __Religion __Politics __The Secret
78. I didn't sign anything for this shoot. What am I entitled to and when?
79. My rant about model manager/boyfriends.
80. Photographers who give away all their pictures from a shoot.
81. Photographers who give away RAW files.
82. I'm a model. Photographers cannot create pictures without me. I am entitled to all rights on all the photos. It's has to be a fair trade.
83. I'm a MUA, I'm entitled to the copyright on pictures.
84. I'm a model, I want control over which pictures you can use.

Oct 14 12 04:55 pm Link

Photographer

Fotografica Gregor

Posts: 4122

Alexandria, Virginia, US

Image K wrote:

Nope. Not interested in arguing. I'm saddened that you perceived my response as an "argument".

Most escort threads deteriorate into "arguments" because many define escorts differently. Most photographers that do not allow escorts define escorts as someone that insists on remaining in the shooting area during shooting, and they are willing to make the same compromises that you are.

You do not allow anyone in the shooting area that does not have a work-related reason for being there. You are an anti-escort photographer, despite the positive spin that you tried to put on it, since the experience you described was NOT allowing an escort.

-  okay - a reasonable, friendly discussion then, instead of an argument?  I'm in.....

I reject the black and white categorization as an anti-escort photographer -

In my opinion, I strike a balance - and I can say that this has been much appreciated by several newer models whom I have given a chance to shoot with me.

Realistically,  when a newer model meets a photographer for the first time, they may be ill at ease, and have concerns for their safety.  This is understandable.

By balancing the model's needs against mine, my policy has been the right fit for several models.

By being open to having the "escort" meet me, see the studio, being open and gracious, and putting them in a nearby room, showing them hospitality, I set the escort and the model at ease -  while simply placing a limit on their presence that does not work for me.

I've had three models accompanied by escorts to my studio this year -  in every case they were palpably relieved that I allowed this, and more than willing for me to limit the escort's presence on set.  A certain degree of comfortably, of trust, was thus established.

Win - win - in my experience.  Balance.

This has come up a few times with very experienced models as well - both traveling as it happens - and being driven by SOs. 

Interestingly, in both cases, the model thanked me for being open and gracious to their SO *and* also for not allowing them to watch while we shot smile 

So - no -  I reject being categorized as and "anti escort photographer" based on someone else definition of what that means. 

The way I do it is working for me and for the models I work with -

all of that being said,  I fully understand and support a model who says that she will not shoot with me or another photographer unless her escort is present on the set -   we just won't be working together.

And I fully understand and support photographers who for whatever reasons do not want the escort around at all -  perhaps they are shooting in their home, perhaps they've had bad experiences  -  or just picked up a bias from others - whatever -

Let each do it the way that seems best to them,  respect the choices and perceived needs of others, and work with those of like mind, without trying to browbeat someone into changing their opinion....

Oct 14 12 05:35 pm Link

Photographer

GeM Photographic

Posts: 2374

Chicago, Illinois, US

Jessie Shannon wrote:
Wait! Are we still talking about escorts? I thought that was last week?

last week, this week, next week, and every week here at MM

Oct 14 12 09:01 pm Link

Photographer

J-PhotoArt

Posts: 480

San Francisco, California, US

Glenns Photography wrote:
I usually put them to work holding reflectors, moving light stands, carrying equipment bags, etc... Plus, if they are very good friends with the model they usually put them at ease and are able to get them to have a natural, not so nervous look. I always invite models to bring someone that knows them well just for that purpose.

I totally agree and do the same myself at my shoots.  I have never had a problem with an Escort so it has never been an issue for me.

I always tell the Model that they are welcome to bring an Escort if they would like.  I state that I prefer that the Escort not be a Boyfriend, Husband and / or a Significant Other though.  Even though I make the offer and express that I have no problem with an Escort, very few of the Models that I have worked with so far have ever brought one to the shoot.

Oct 14 12 09:19 pm Link

Photographer

Bill Sylvester

Posts: 1463

Cincinnati, Ohio, US

I had a model show up with two unexpected guys (a boyfriend and his drinking buddy I think) in tow the other day.  They said "hi", pulled up a chair in an out of the way spot and didn't say a word until the the end of the shoot. I took a couple of group pics of them with the model and they all thanked me and left.

The next day, another model (who works for an agency) showed up with her boyfriend/husband (again unexpectedly).  He did the same thing, although he was a little more talkative and helped with the background. Again no problem.

I still don't like it, but I'm not going to make a fuss.

Oct 14 12 09:40 pm Link

Model

V Laroche

Posts: 2746

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

That's nice. I personally can't put on my model persona with my "real-life" friends around, though.

Oct 14 12 09:45 pm Link

Photographer

Bill Sylvester

Posts: 1463

Cincinnati, Ohio, US

Image K wrote:
We'll probably be talking about them again next week, and probably no more than we talk about these other repeat topics that are JUST as nauseating:


1.  Models that flake.
2.  Photographers that flake.
3.  Photographer raped me of my body and my mind.
4.  I didn’t get my pictures, whatever shall I do?
5.  I only got six pictures from my TFP!  I was robbed!
6.  Photographer gave me pictures with way too much Photoshopping.
7.  Photographer gave me raw pictures that weren’t edited.
8.  Photographers rely too much on Photoshop.  You should take good pictures like me.
9.  Models with no experience who want to be paid.
10. Models with no comp cards who want to be paid.
11. Photographers with crappy ports who want to be paid.
12. Why can’t I get paid?
13. What rates should I charge?
14. Sleazy photographer won’t let me bring an escort!
15. Paranoid model wants to bring an escort.
16. Photographers who won’t let models bring escorts suck.
17. What am I doing wrong?   
18. I’m a short plus model and I’m going to change the industry!
19. I’m tall and skinny and you suck.
20. I’m short and round and you suck.
21. I’m short/fat/black/white/old/too young so nobody will shoot me and it’s not fair.
22. Model has nudes in her port and won’t do nudes.
23. So what if I have nudes in my port, I’m not doing them with you, sucka!
24. All photographers ever want is nudes.
25. I have too much respect for myself to do nudes.
26. Models don’t respond to emails.
27. Photographer sent me an unprofessional email.
28. Photographers don’t respond to emails.
29. Model sent me an unprofessional email.
30. Is this a scam?  (Hint:  yes, it is, and you are really stupid for asking.)
31. Agency had me do a webcam interview and then didn’t hire me!
32. Can anyone recommend a good agency for petite models?
33. Has anybody ever heard of . . . (followed by nowhere near enough information to uniquely identify them)?
34. People here are so mean!
35. People here suck up so much, can’t anyone tell the truth?
36. People here are so unprofessional.
37. People here are elitist.
38. I got nuthin’ but I’m looking for attention.
39. Vote for me
40. Should I get a manager?
41. Do I have what it takes to be a model?
42. Models should always sign releases.
43. Models should never sign releases.
44. Photographers are always trying to make me sign a release.
45. I didn’t sign a release.  Can the photographer use my pictures?
46. I signed a release.  Can the photographer use my pictures?
47. I paid for pictures and the photographer claims he owns them.
48. The way to get a good port is to do TFPs with everyone who owns a camera.
49. TFPs suck, and you can’t get a good port from them.
50. Always pay if you want good pictures.
51. I’ve been here 20 minutes and nobody has commented on my port!
52. You’re a photographer.  You aren’t going to get comments.  Get over it.
53. People only comment on nudes.
54. Barbizon/JRP/JC or any other modeling school?
55. Model Search America or any other model search?
56. Model lied about her height/weight/age.
57. Photographer lied about the size of his lens.
58. Nikon vs Cannon.
59. I need ideas for a shoot.
60. What type of lights should I use.
61. Is it Porn or Art?
62. If GOD existed what kind of camera would he use?
63. Wich model has the best single strand of hair?
64. White Lightnings are the best strobes ever.
65. White Lightnings suck.
66. hI, mY nAmE iS _____________, im nEw tOO mOdElMaHEm. pLeAsE cHeCK oUT mY pORtFoLIo.
67. wat up dog mi nam iz ______________, em nu 2 mm, chex my shitz. hitme up ef u wantna shuut.
68. OH MY GAWD! ICAN'T BELEIVE I FINALY SINGED UP 4 MM. I DONT HAV MANY PICS HERE YET BUT U CAN CHECK ME OUT ON MYSPACE. XOXO.
69. haha  get it? 69?
70. I was wronged by a MOD.
71. What a rude tag from this member!
72. What a rude comment of my picture!
73. My rant about model ports with cell phone pictures.
74. My rant about photographer ports with all nudes.
75. My rant about model manager/boyfriends.
76. I can't believe what this member wrote on their profile.
77. __Religion __Politics __The Secret
78. I didn't sign anything for this shoot. What am I entitled to and when?
79. My rant about model manager/boyfriends.
80. Photographers who give away all their pictures from a shoot.
81. Photographers who give away RAW files.
82. I'm a model. Photographers cannot create pictures without me. I am entitled to all rights on all the photos. It's has to be a fair trade.
83. I'm a MUA, I'm entitled to the copyright on pictures.
84. I'm a model, I want control over which pictures you can use.

Add Macs vs. PC, iPhone vs. Android and RAW vs JPG and I think you've got all the bases covered.

Oct 14 12 09:46 pm Link

Model

Lila McGreggor

Posts: 19

Nashville, Tennessee, US

On all of my modeling things i bring my mom. She knows my look better than anyone and who has my best interest at heart more than my mom? She just pulls up a chair and watches. Occasionally telling me i look gorgeous which just fuels me haha. She never interfers except to say wardrobe malfuntion or something haha! Its great to have her along.

But sitting in one of the agencies in nashville waiting its fun to watch the escorts people bring along. Mothers who live vicariously through their kids, over protective fathers, jealous friends. I cant imagine how nice a good escort is for a photographer.

Oct 14 12 10:56 pm Link

Photographer

THE IMAGE EDGE

Posts: 61

Portland, Oregon, US

Ive had numerous llama herders along and none of them caused trouble...one fished while we shot, one helped me out on a couple things, and one llama herder was her great dane dog who turned out to be a big plsyful thing that we included in her shoot and shot him alone...so i got a twofer out of that one......go look at my Alekzandra shoot file and her dane named Rufus!

Oct 15 12 12:12 pm Link

Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
I reject the black and white categorization as an anti-escort photographer -

You can reject whatever you like. A photographer that does not allow a chaperone/bodyguard in the immediate shooting area is a photographer that does not allow escorts.

The "balance" that you allow are also allowed by many photographers that do not allow escorts, because unless they are allowed "on set", they are not an escort.

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
In my opinion, I strike a balance - and I can say that this has been much appreciated by several newer models whom I have given a chance to shoot with me.

Those of us that do not allow escorts strike the same balance. We have no problem having someone act as a "driver", bring someone to the set, inspect the shooting area, meet me/shake my hand, have a cup of coffee...and then leave the immediate shooting area while we work.

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
Realistically,  when a newer model meets a photographer for the first time, they may be ill at ease, and have concerns for their safety.  This is understandable.

Sure. Goes without saying.

She can alleviate that by due diligence and sensible safety precautions, and utilizing a "driver" (as outlined above).

Using an escort (someone that insists on remaining on the set) is where the problems begin...since the escort presents safety/liability/theft/distraction concerns for the photographer.

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
By balancing the model's needs against mine, my policy has been the right fit for several models.

By being open to having the "escort" meet me, see the studio, being open and gracious, and putting them in a nearby room, showing them hospitality, I set the escort and the model at ease -  while simply placing a limit on their presence that does not work for me.

Again, that is not an escort.

The confusion in how you define "escort" is the root of the problem with how you are defining "balance", since what you are allowing is not an escort.

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
I've had three models accompanied by escorts to my studio this year -  in every case they were palpably relieved that I allowed this, and more than willing for me to limit the escort's presence on set.  A certain degree of comfortably, of trust, was thus established.

Win - win - in my experience.  Balance.

This has come up a few times with very experienced models as well - both traveling as it happens - and being driven by SOs. 

Interestingly, in both cases, the model thanked me for being open and gracious to their SO *and* also for not allowing them to watch while we shot smile 

So - no -  I reject being categorized as and "anti escort photographer" based on someone else definition of what that means.

Unless we agree on how to define escort, there is no way of defining what ANY of the terms mean, including balance.

You don't allow access to the chaperone to the set...so they are not an escort.

Your policy does not differ from a photographer that does not allow escorts.

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
The way I do it is working for me and for the models I work with -

all of that being said,  I fully understand and support a model who says that she will not shoot with me or another photographer unless her escort is present on the set -   we just won't be working together.

And I fully understand and support photographers who for whatever reasons do not want the escort around at all -  perhaps they are shooting in their home, perhaps they've had bad experiences  -  or just picked up a bias from others - whatever -

I'm sure we can all agree there.

Fotografica Gregor wrote:
Let each do it the way that seems best to them,  respect the choices and perceived needs of others, and work with those of like mind, without trying to browbeat someone into changing their opinion....

Sure. Goes without saying.

If escort discussions deteriorate into madness, it is invariably when someone fails to respect someone's choice by assigning hidden agendas and nefarious intent to someone's policy...and then it gets ugly.

Oct 15 12 01:39 pm Link

Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Catey Lamberth wrote:
On all of my modeling things i bring my mom. She knows my look better than anyone and who has my best interest at heart more than my mom? She just pulls up a chair and watches. Occasionally telling me i look gorgeous which just fuels me haha. She never interfers except to say wardrobe malfuntion or something haha! Its great to have her along.

But sitting in one of the agencies in nashville waiting its fun to watch the escorts people bring along. Mothers who live vicariously through their kids, over protective fathers, jealous friends. I cant imagine how nice a good escort is for a photographer.

I'm glad that's working for you.

Unfortunately, if you decide to stick with modeling in a serious way, you must realize that insisting on bringing mom onto a set is going to be a problem at a certain point in time.

Oct 15 12 01:44 pm Link

Model

Genevieve Devine

Posts: 48

Saint Paul, Minnesota, US

Erin Lillie wrote:
I just have to say Thank you! So refreshing to see something positive on here without people being rude. Great to see somebody that's glass half full smile

Second this!! Lovely smile

xoxo

Oct 15 12 01:45 pm Link

Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Bill Sylvester wrote:
I had a model show up with two unexpected guys (a boyfriend and his drinking buddy I think) in tow the other day.  They said "hi", pulled up a chair in an out of the way spot and didn't say a word until the the end of the shoot. I took a couple of group pics of them with the model and they all thanked me and left.

The next day, another model (who works for an agency) showed up with her boyfriend/husband (again unexpectedly).  He did the same thing, although he was a little more talkative and helped with the background. Again no problem.

I still don't like it, but I'm not going to make a fuss.

If you want to allow models to bring llama herders to shoots unexpectedly, roll the dice, and take your chances.

Oct 15 12 01:47 pm Link

Photographer

Cherrystone

Posts: 36697

Columbus, Ohio, US

THE IMAGE EDGE wrote:
Ive had numerous escorts along and none of them caused trouble...one fished while we shot, one helped me out on a couple things, and one escort was her great dane dog who turned out to be a big plsyful thing that we included in her shoot and shot him alone...so i got a twofer out of that one......go look at my Alekzandra shoot file and her dane named Rufus!

Model brought a Doberman to a shoot once many moons ago. I reluctantly let her in, but I shouldn't have.

The dog pissed and shit on my studio floor, and it's owner thought it rude I expected HER to clean it up.

Fido also seemed to be not fond of me or my presence.

Given other observations, my guess was/is the dog was probably her SO too.
Bleeech.

Oct 15 12 01:47 pm Link

Model

V for Victory Modeling

Posts: 436

Roseville, California, US

The Trousseau,

Great points! I always bring my husband to my shoots for safety reasons. He sits aside doing his own thing during the duration of the shoot and when needed has been an asset to the photographer by assisting with carrying and holding the equipment during the shoot and even a few times he has been invited to partake in the shoot!

I actually turned down a shoot from someone who said they didn't work well with escorts. Being a young woman, I wasn't comfortable with that unless we've worked together before. But I have heard that mom or dad as escorts can be uncomfortable for some obvious reasons...especially if it's a provocative shoot.

Oct 15 12 01:49 pm Link

Photographer

Image K

Posts: 23374

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

vbabe wrote:
The Trousseau,

Great points! I always bring my husband to my shoots for safety reasons. He sits aside doing his own thing during the duration of the shoot and when needed has been an asset to the photographer by assisting with carrying and holding the equipment during the shoot and even a few times he has been invited to partake in the shoot!

That's not surprising. Most of the models that insist on escorts are new models like yourself that have a perspective of modeling being much more dangerous than it is in reality.

Generally, very few experienced models insist on escorts.

As for the photographer that you worked with using your escort as labor, that's a risky proposition for the photographer from a liability standpoint.

If he's willing to take that risk, that's his business.

vbabe wrote:
I actually turned down a shoot from someone who said they didn't work well with escorts. Being a young woman, I wasn't comfortable with that unless we've worked together before. But I have heard that mom or dad as escorts can be uncomfortable for some obvious reasons...especially if it's a provocative shoot.

If you want to turn down shoots with photographers that don't allow escorts for safety reasons, that's your right.

I'm sure that you can understand that a photographer that refuses to allow your escort is doing so for the exact same safety concerns, since your escort is a stranger to him.

Oct 15 12 01:59 pm Link

Photographer

Karasev Studio

Posts: 125

New York, New York, US

Haven't come across a bad/disruptive escort. Used models' escorts in photos on more than one occasion or had them otherwise engaged.

I rarely shoot one on one so maybe that's a factor.

Oct 18 12 01:30 pm Link

Model

brianne

Posts: 281

OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US

Because I'm still new to modeling, I "require" an escort, though a big reason being is because I do not drive right now...so I really have no other way to get to a shoot without having someone bring me there.
I understand if a photographer doesn't want escorts, for them being in the way or whatnot, but as of right now I only do shoots with photographers that do allow escorts because of my lack of experience. I think once I feel more comfortable with myself I won't feel the need to bring someone along (and of course once I get myself driving as well).

Oct 18 12 02:21 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 27924

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Bill Sylvester wrote:
I had a model show up with two unexpected guys (a boyfriend and his drinking buddy I think) in tow the other day.  They said "hi", pulled up a chair in an out of the way spot and didn't say a word until the the end of the shoot. I took a couple of group pics of them with the model and they all thanked me and left.

The next day, another model (who works for an agency) showed up with her boyfriend/husband (again unexpectedly).  He did the same thing, although he was a little more talkative and helped with the background. Again no problem.

I still don't like it, but I'm not going to make a fuss.

I would!

Oct 18 12 02:23 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 27924

Dearborn, Michigan, US

vbabe wrote:
The Trousseau,

Great points! I always bring my husband to my shoots for safety reasons. He sits aside doing his own thing during the duration of the shoot and when needed has been an asset to the photographer by assisting with carrying and holding the equipment during the shoot and even a few times he has been invited to partake in the shoot!

I actually turned down a shoot from someone who said they didn't work well with escorts. Being a young woman, I wasn't comfortable with that unless we've worked together before. But I have heard that mom or dad as escorts can be uncomfortable for some obvious reasons...especially if it's a provocative shoot.

This means that I won't photograph you!

Oct 18 12 02:26 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 27924

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Brianne Crystal wrote:
Because I'm still new to modeling, I "require" an escort, though a big reason being is because I do not drive right now...so I really have no other way to get to a shoot without having someone bring me there.
I understand if a photographer doesn't want escorts, for them being in the way or whatnot, but as of right now I only do shoots with photographers that do allow escorts because of my lack of experience. I think once I feel more comfortable with myself I won't feel the need to bring someone along (and of course once I get myself driving as well).

A model's boyfriend dropped her off at the shoot left and picked her up after the shoot.  He was her driver.

Oct 18 12 02:29 pm Link