Model
JennyFromTheBlock1
Posts: 25
Kansas City, Missouri, US
I would like to know what is considered unprofessional from a photographer. What is considered too much and what questions are normal as far as pin up.... implied nude... etc. Please Advise Jennifer
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 13408
Nashville, Tennessee, US
What do you think? This is too broad of a question.
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
Jay Farrell wrote: What do you think? This is too broad of a question. +1. You'll have to specifiy what you thought may have been inappropriate.
Photographer
J E W E T T
Posts: 2545
al-Marsā, Tunis, Tunisia
Given the list of genre's you say you will shoot, I'd expect a lot of questions along those lines.
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 13408
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Let's start here....was what he was asking in some way relevant to the shoot?
Photographer
TerrysPhotocountry
Posts: 4649
Rochester, New York, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: I would like to know what is considered unprofessional from a photographer. What is considered too much and what questions are normal as far as pin up.... implied nude... etc. Please Advise Jennifer You need to explain the so called unprofessional situation.
Photographer
Rob Photosby
Posts: 4810
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Perhaps photographers might be confused about how the "art", "fetish", and "erotic" genres that you list on your profile might mesh with your "no nudes".
Photographer
Bill Sylvester
Posts: 1509
Fairfield, Ohio, US
natural beauties of qld wrote: Perhaps photographers might be confused about how the "art", "fetish", and "erotic" genres that you list on your profile might mesh with your "no nudes". Yes, trying to sort that would require a bunch of questions to determine your interests. From your vague question, I would draw the line of unprofessionalism to be where the questions stray from directly relating to the shoot and the production of photographs.
Photographer
Paolo D Photography
Posts: 11502
San Francisco, California, US
Bill Sylvester wrote: I would draw the line of unprofessionalism to be where the questions stray from directly relating to the shoot and the production of photographs. this. /thread. now update your genres that you shoot, because otherwise youre acting like an unprofessional model; entering inaccurate information in search fields.
natural beauties of qld wrote: Perhaps photographers might be confused about how the "art", "fetish", and "erotic" genres that you list on your profile might mesh with your "no nudes".
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 18832
Albany, New York, US
Bill Sylvester wrote: From your vague question, I would draw the line of unprofessionalism to be where the questions stray from directly relating to the shoot and the production of photographs. I guess by that definition I'm an "unprofessional" & proud of it. I like to know about where my models have been, how they got to where they are, what caused them to get into this crazy business, do they have any outside aspirations, how they met their spouses, where they went to school & what they majored in, what they like to do in the rare moments they have free time, among MANY other things. I'd LIKE to think it makes me care about them as a human being instead of a breathing mannequin.
Photographer
Kev Lawson
Posts: 11294
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Farenell Photography wrote: I guess by that definition I'm an "unprofessional" & proud of it. I like to know about where my models have been, how they got to where they are, what caused them to get into this crazy business, do they have any outside aspirations, how they met their spouses, where they went to school & what they majored in, what they like to do in the rare moments they have free time, among MANY other things. I'd LIKE to think it makes me care about them as a human being instead of a breathing mannequin. Sort of matches my style when shooting. Silence makes a model uncomfortable most of the time if it is just the photog and model on set/location. General talk topics are fine. Asking sexual questions etc is not. I for one will talk with the models I shoot, regardless if they are experienced models or brand new to modeling. If they are not talkative, then music on and keep shooting.
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Tony KnightHawk Studios
Posts: 1900
Fort Myers Beach, Florida, US
It's Relative. For example If I were to ask you "Are you a Drama Queen?" Is it unprofessional? absolutely. Is it inappropriate? Given the OP's question for this case I would say not
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Eridu
Posts: 623
Boston, Massachusetts, US
natural beauties of qld wrote: Perhaps photographers might be confused about how the "art", "fetish", and "erotic" genres that you list on your profile might mesh with your "no nudes". LMFAO!
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Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4861
Asheville, North Carolina, US
Let's see, you list art, erotic and fetish as genres you will work in. In your profile you make a point that in your modelling you don't operate according to "the worlds standards" but try to "find the inner reason", all of which sounds rather self directed or even free spirited. And the topic seems to be a question of what would constitute a "professional " approach regarding pin-up and "implied" to someone presenting themselves in the above way. I can think of nearly infinite ways in which people can be unprofessional. As others have mentioned, the rather sparse description doesn't allow for a meaningful answer. I'm guessing (blindly) that someone may have had an idea different than your own for the content of a shoot.
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4861
Asheville, North Carolina, US
Farenell Photography wrote: I guess by that definition I'm an "unprofessional" & proud of it. I like to know about where my models have been, how they got to where they are, what caused them to get into this crazy business, do they have any outside aspirations, how they met their spouses, where they went to school & what they majored in, what they like to do in the rare moments they have free time, among MANY other things. I'd LIKE to think it makes me care about them as a human being instead of a breathing mannequin. +1 It's proved to be very useful information and has supplied many good ideas for directions with the work.
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John Horwitz
Posts: 2920
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: I would like to know what is considered unprofessional from a photographer. What is considered too much and what questions are normal as far as pin up.... implied nude... etc. Please Advise Jennifer I'd like to know why so many models are delusional - but that's another thread...
Artist/Painter
Two Pears Studio
Posts: 3632
Wilmington, Delaware, US
questions are just words... and depending on the context... they only have meaning you give them. If they ask questions about shooting, the work, etc... everything is fair game in my opinion. If it pertains to something outside of the shoot... then it is open to interpretation. You are now involved in an industry that beauty and sex sells... so normal is different inside the industry than it may be outside.
Photographer
Jeff Fiore
Posts: 9225
Brooklyn, New York, US
John Horwitz wrote: I'd like to know why so many models are delusional - but that's another thread... LOL
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: I would like to know what is considered unprofessional from a photographer. What is considered too much and what questions are normal as far as pin up.... implied nude... etc. Please Advise Jennifer What would your doctor ask you? What would your lawyer ask you? Hopefully only relevant stuff. As it should be in any profession.
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Farenell Photography wrote: I guess by that definition I'm an "unprofessional" & proud of it. Do you wanna be unprofessional together? *wiggles eyebrows*
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 13559
Washington, Utah, US
Professioanlism, in my opinion, has nothing to with the amount or type of clothing required for a shoot. - That's more about genre, than professionalism.
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
Farenell Photography wrote: I guess by that definition I'm an "unprofessional" & proud of it. I like to know about where my models have been, how they got to where they are, what caused them to get into this crazy business, do they have any outside aspirations, how they met their spouses, where they went to school & what they majored in, what they like to do in the rare moments they have free time, among MANY other things. I'd LIKE to think it makes me care about them as a human being instead of a breathing mannequin. The flow of conversation AT a shoot is a different matter than early contact. If the model mentions her husband in conversation, I might ask a follow up question, but asking "So, are you married or taken, or are you available?" in an early message really has no legit purpose. Same with various other topics of conversation. I've had a bit of "personal" conversation (although not about boyfriend / spouse) with one model who lives several states away. It turns out that she went to school with one of my favorite models, so we had an additional connection besides MM and art work.
Photographer
Rays Fine Art
Posts: 7504
New York, New York, US
Any question that leads to an understanding between you and the photographer as to the personal boundaries of each of you, the goals and interests of each of you, or what conduct by the other is acceptable to either of you is legitimate and professional. Without knowing these things, how can you reach a workable agreement? If you follow the forums at all, you know that most complaints of "unprofessional conduct" arise out of one party or the other assuming that the other will accept some behavior that was never specifically discussed or if discussed was tossed off with a "we'll see" response. Much better to find out where the problems lie before getting into the shoot than after. And if the asking of the question bothers you this much, think how much more you will be bothered if the wrong assumptions are made. All IMHO, as always.
Photographer
John Horwitz
Posts: 2920
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 3450
Sisters, Oregon, US
Asking questions is not a crime. If done tastefully, it really shouldn't be offensive. Your portfolio is a bit confusing regarding the genre's you are available for. Advertising that you are available for "fetish" opens the door to a very broad spectrum of work and appropriate questions regarding same. A big part of the fetish world would be classified as "Adult" themes/situations. If the communication with a potential photographer takes a direction that you are not comfortable with, then just simply end it and move along. Why do you have to ask us what to do? Are you trying to get the community to condemn photographers for asking questions that in your mind are inappropriate? It's kind of like TV. If you don't like a program, just change the channel. No need to whine about the program you don't like. Sheesh!
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 11271
Seattle, Washington, US
I wish the term 'professional' is stopped being used for ethical.
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 3450
Sisters, Oregon, US
Chuckarelei wrote: I wish the term 'professional' is stopped being used for ethical. +1 And add to that "Politically Correct The thought police are alive and well. And now they are looking at free speech.
Model
JennyFromTheBlock1
Posts: 25
Kansas City, Missouri, US
Asking if my friend and I are comfortable enough for sexually implied photos I guess may be okay..... but then asking if were bi... Is not.. that is not okay in my book... IJS....
Photographer
Harold Rose
Posts: 2925
Calhoun, Georgia, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: I would like to know what is considered unprofessional from a photographer. What is considered too much and what questions are normal as far as pin up.... implied nude... etc. Please Advise Jennifer Wow what a master of the english lanuage.. try a grade higher..
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: I learned your an ass ... Good Day You used your 3rd Model Mayhem post to call someone a name. Nicely done. You should fit right in here.
Photographer
Vincent Arthur
Posts: 901
Red Bank, New Jersey, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: Asking if my friend and I are comfortable enough for sexually implied photos I guess may be okay..... but then asking if were bi... Is not.. that is not okay in my book... IJS.... Depending on the shoot questions about sexual orientation may or may not be appropriate... For this shot I knew ahead of time that the models were genuinely attracted to each other For this shot a new ahead of time that they would be acting: https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/12389906 18+
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JennyFromTheBlock1
Posts: 25
Kansas City, Missouri, US
Vincent Arthur wrote: Depending on the shoot questions about sexual orientation may or may not be appropriate... For this shot I knew ahead of time that the models were genuinely attracted to each other For this shot a new ahead of time that they would be acting: https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/12389906 18+ So to you this is normal?? I would just like to know if this is in fact a normal thing to come across. My goal is not to critique for how someone chooses to conduct business. If I am not comfortable I wont do it, but I would just like to know if this is common with 2 girl shoots.
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: So to you this is normal?? I would just like to know if this is in fact a normal thing to come across. My goal is not to critique for how someone chooses to conduct business. If I am not comfortable I wont do it, but I would just like to know if this is common with 2 girl shoots. I'm still not sure I understand the question... How do you define "common" and "normal"? If a photographer just, out of the blue, asks you your sexual orientation, that would be out of bounds. If a photographer asks you about your sexual orientation in the context of a potential girl-on-girl shoot, in regards to your comfort levels, that would be an understandable question.
Model
JennyFromTheBlock1
Posts: 25
Kansas City, Missouri, US
Harold Rose wrote: Wow what a master of the english lanuage.. try a grade higher.. I posted the thread from my phone. I did not realize you yourself were an English major. My goal was to ask a question, however what I asked may have hit a nerve for how you conduct your own business. It is truly sad for people who have nothing better to do then to insult people all day long. Your spirit must get tired.
Model
JennyFromTheBlock1
Posts: 25
Kansas City, Missouri, US
Image K wrote: I'm still not sure I understand the question... How do you define "common" and "normal"? If a photographer just, out of the blue, asks you your sexual orientation, that would be out of bounds. If a photographer asks you about your sexual orientation in the context of a potential girl-on-girl shoot, in regards to your comfort levels, that would be an understandable question. THANK YOU!!
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: So to you this is normal?? I would just like to know if this is in fact a normal thing to come across. My goal is not to critique for how someone chooses to conduct business. If I am not comfortable I wont do it, but I would just like to know if this is common with 2 girl shoots. Vincent explained his method to the madness. Some photographers really want to know if there'll be no spark in a couples shoot. So for some photographers, it is common. If you're going to get upset over that kind of query, you'd do well to uncheck Erotic and Fetish from your profile's preferred genres list.
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Image K
Posts: 23400
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
JennyFromTheBlock1 wrote: I posted the thread from my phone. I did not realize you yourself were an English major. My goal was to ask a question, however what I asked may have hit a nerve for how you conduct your own business. It is truly sad for people who have nothing better to do then to insult people all day long. Your spirit must get tired. Just ignore people like that. Everyone else does.
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Optix
Posts: 225
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Has nothing to do with asking appropriate questions, they just lack people skills. Other people just don't know how to communicate properly in written form, and fail to realize that what they just wrote, doesn't read as intended.
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