The whole topic is about hygiene and using other's makeup.
I want to say that I am sorry if I offend anyone with it, it is not intended.
I never really liked sharing anything like drinking glasses/bottles, lip balms and stuff like that. People in my family knows it and they don't bother me with it anymore. It's personnal, I don't know, I don't want herpes and other viruses like that. I like my lips the way they are : clean, no puss and any other ugly looking thing on it.
Since I started in makeup, I've been very carefull with my brushes, I keep a set only for myself, especially anything that touched cream/lip stuff. I am being very carefull when I put makeup on someone who might have herpes/conjunctivitis, well anything I can notice. Not that in other cases I wont be carefull, but I mostly use disposable lip brushes, mascara wands.
Anyway, through the years I've noticed sooooo many makeup artists here and there, who don't really care about these basic hygiene rules. Who will use lipsticks from the shelf (for themselves) or double dipping... I tried approaching them discreetly, they always ALWAYS (all of them, no lying!) answer me : Oh but I spray it with rubbing alcohol.
Is it just me or it doesnt really ensures you that it's totally clean?
A while ago I was in a meeting/workshop with coworkers, and just to make sure I wouldnt have to wear anyone else's lip stuff, I had brought some lipsticks and lip pencils from my personnal stuff. Well, guess what happened? They really got into that idea that I was acting super capricious, I could tell because I've heard some comments o_0
So yeah... I am probably too freaky about it, but I am also pretty sure that I am not alone. Or am I?
Oct 28 12 08:44 pm Link
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
(Sorry, posting from my modelling profile)
I'm super anal about sanitation and hygiene, especially when it comes to my make-up. I think it shows you take your job and your clients health seriously, and are a professional.
People can make nasty comments. Don't listen to them. They're probably just upset that you're making them look bad for not doing their jobs properly. That's not your problem, it's theirs.
As far as non-MUAs go, it's usually ignorance. They may think you're being snooty and ridiculous, often they'll assume you think they themselves are dirty and take it as a personal insult. If you just frankly explain the reasoning behind it, and some of the nasty things that can happen if you don't, I find they quickly shut-up. I usually remind them that it's not always about keeping their germs out, but making sure that no one else's germs come in contact with them. That usually reassures people.
Oct 29 12 09:03 am Link
New York, New York, US
I see MUA using lipsticks and mascaras right out of the tube without sanitizing all the time..especially veteran MUAs and the big names. I'm really not sure why. It is extremely rare for anything to pass though makeup but it IS possible so better safe than sorry I say. Clients always appreciate when I am overly sanitizing so just do what makes you feel comfortable.
Oct 29 12 09:38 am Link
San Diego, California, US
Professionals don't have a problem discussing what they should do and what differentiates them from non-pros. If they seem offended I'd suggesting leaving because what else are they not talking about?
Oct 29 12 10:10 am Link
Princeton, New Jersey, US
I'm always surprised when a client says either: omg, thank you for using disposables because they've had the experience where an "artist" didn't and they felt too uncomfortable to address the issue OR they've never seen them before ask about them!!!!!! I'm literally out of mind with surprise/irritation that so called professionals would put their client and reputation at risk with such careless behavior. I always tell them if they ever find themselves in that situation again, to demand disposables or a brand new product. If they cannot do either, it's not worth the risk of a bacterial infection and to get out of the chair.
Additionally, if they ever see an artist "blow" on the product or brush to get out of the chair and if not an option, again demand such items be sanitized with alcohol spray or a dedicated cosmetic sanitizer.
Now as for spraying alcohol, it has to be all the way around the lipstick, liner, etc.. which requires multiple sprays and is not ideal, b/c most don't do but only one spray which is careless, IMO. One of the few things I like about the Mac counter is that they have beakers of 90+% alcohol for dipping the lipstick in for proper sanitation.
For my kit and personal makeup, I rely on "Beauty So Clean" to sanitize after every single use. I have brushes for just me that are always separated from my kit brushes. Mind you it took me a year to build up just kit brushes as we all know the cost associated with growing the collection but the peace of mind is so worth it.
Oct 29 12 10:34 am Link
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Dani Jaye MUA wrote:
Same. It seems to be really bad in my area. Most of the models I work with have never seen proper sanitation. I've had one ask me why I'm 'wasting time' using a palette and spatula instead of double dipping. I didn't even know how to respond.
Oct 29 12 10:40 am Link
Tampa, Florida, US
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya
Oct 29 12 10:42 am Link
Sorry if capricious isnt the right word, english not being my main language, I used a translator. What do you suggest instead?
Thank you guys for replying, I feel better now hahaha
On set I always work with lipsticks from a palette that I've made with crushed lipsticks, you all know how to, right? Anyway, one day I was on a set, with another mua and she asked me why I did this. I explained to her why (while raising an eyebrow, how could she not know?), and she replied to me that she would never do that because she loves her lipsticks (her own she brings on set!!!) too much o_0
So yeah, she double dips, and she also wears those lipsticks on her too.
I must say that Model Mayhem, well people her, helped me a lot when I started, I had so many questions and concerns. Reading all those FAQ's about hygiene and etiquette helped me in many cases.
Keep sharing your stories, love to hear from you guys!
Oct 29 12 11:00 am Link
Leeds, England, United Kingdom
Tegan Lynn wrote:
I totally agree...You have to protect your clients, cosmetics, your tools and also your self - keeping strict hygiene routine is the only one way...
Oct 29 12 01:08 pm Link
Louisville, Kentucky, US
My main fulltime job (to support my burgeoning MUA alter-ego XD ) is in health care so I am quite anal about sanitation. I think you have the right to set your boundaries, especially with products that touch people's mouths (Ground Zero of Germ Epi-Center) and anything that is cream to hold moisture and other bacteria.
Btw, I think a good word to use is "pretentious"
Oct 29 12 02:38 pm Link
Hereford, England, United Kingdom
I agree with the OP re palette and spatula being the best way. I personally don't rate the alcohol sprays and would rather decant what I can and use disposables. Those that try to belittle you and claim that you are wasting your time are clearly upset that you are showing them up, which is their problem not yours. Keep doing what you're doing, safe in the knowledge that your hygiene and sanitation habits are protecting your clients.
Oct 29 12 02:47 pm Link
Houston, Texas, US
Actually, 70% isopropyl is a better disinfectant. Alcohol works as a disinfectant by denaturing proteins. 99% isopropyl only dries out the bacteria, but doesn't kill it.
I know because my husband is a laboratory scientist.
Heres a few threads from science forums where it is discussed:
http://www.protocol-online.org/biology- … 17193.html
http://www.protocol-online.org/forums/t … infectant/
Nov 01 12 08:20 pm Link
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US
I think "overly-cautious" would be appropriate. You don't want "pretentious" either.
Nov 01 12 09:21 pm Link
London, England, United Kingdom
While I agree that good hygiene practises are very important to maintain the health of our clients and our reputations, I actually think that you have to still be diplomatic. No matter how discreet you feel you were, offering unsolicited advice to people using makeup testers in shops is unlikely to find very many receptive listeners. Some might think harder about it, but others will just think you are a bit rude for criticizing. Its also rather a different scenario for them to make that decision on their own behalf rather than for a client. Generally, unless someone asks me outright, or is working assisting me, I don't involve myself in advising other people on their hygiene.
Nov 02 12 02:27 am Link
I understand this point, but, when these people also are mua's and they might spread some germs on those testers while using them on the customers after, I think it's not that bad when I say something about it.
It's because people don't care and never did that it never will...
Nov 02 12 05:48 pm Link