This thread was locked on 2012-11-07 08:28:04 by JLC Images. Reason: Trainwreck
Forums > Critique > Diamond in the Rough? Or Underappreciated beauty?

Model

Bettie Buxom

Posts: 222

Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Well, You asked for critique and advice and you are getting it.. You should read over all of the responses again, but with a more open mind. You are going to have to have a much thicker skin and a far better attitude if you are going to model at all! You asked for advice for a new model... Be humble and honest! 

  You may be a lovely girl, but you do not have the height or (as your photo's show) the figure to make a real living at this. The modeling world is brutal (in each and every category) and there are thousands of girls trying to make it, and MOST never will. The smartest thing you can do here is be honest with yourself about what you can get out of this. 

With that said, If you want to continue, find where you fit and work on that. Pay for (or Trade for) photos that will better your portfolio and  shoot a whole lot. Work on your poses and facial expressions in front of a mirror or have a friend take photos to see what you look like.

  The Photo's that you have now show a full figured model. If that is what your figure is, then learn how to work with your body and pose to work with your shape.

  I am not going to tell you not to try your hand at modeling,  but having a good, honest, laid back attitude will get you a lot further than the diva stuff you are spouting now. Humility goes a long way.

Good Luck!

Nov 06 12 11:19 am Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

George Ruge wrote:
It's like the first week of Idol around here sometimes!

It's William Hung all over again, but without his charm and his graceful ability to take a hint.

Nov 06 12 11:20 am Link

Model

Christopher Meadows

Posts: 147

Lynchburg, Virginia, US

^^^ really like your avi btw.

Nov 06 12 11:33 am Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Blue Ash Film Group wrote:
Wow! This is not going to end well.

SPRINGHEEL wrote:
So far, its absolutely wonderful

CHUGGA CHUGGA, WOO WOO!

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5083/trainwreck.gif

Nov 06 12 11:36 am Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Shawn Meadows wrote:
^^^ really like your avi btw.

Thanks! And she's even nicer than she is pretty. A photographer's dream. After this thread, I appreciate her all the more.

Nov 06 12 11:38 am Link

Model

Autumn Rose Brightly

Posts: 1097

Crowley, Texas, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:

Thanks! And she's even nicer than she is pretty. A photographer's dream. After this thread, I appreciate her all the more.

You'll get more with honey than vinegar

Nov 06 12 11:42 am Link

Model

Affinity Finch

Posts: 652

Bodmin, England, United Kingdom

I just read the entirity of this thread.... I am a smiley lady at the moment. A few giggles and what not. tongue

Nov 06 12 11:44 am Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Jade Honey wrote:
I just read the entirity of this thread.... I am a smiley lady at the moment. A few giggles and what not. tongue

When the thread is a lemon, make lemonade.

Nov 06 12 11:45 am Link

Model

Affinity Finch

Posts: 652

Bodmin, England, United Kingdom

Orca Bay Images wrote:

When the thread is a lemon, make lemonade.

....I do like lemonade tongue
It just seems as though this lovely lady wanted to be told that she was beautiful and would do brilliantly in the industry and then argued the whole way through the thread when people say otherwise.. I personally think, go for it if you think you have it! And best of luck. I model for fun and to create lovely images not for money. smile

Nov 06 12 11:47 am Link

Model

Affinity Finch

Posts: 652

Bodmin, England, United Kingdom

Orca Bay Images wrote:

When the thread is a lemon, make lemonade.

You have some Ahh...Ma...Zing images by the way, turely breath taking smile

Nov 06 12 11:48 am Link

Photographer

Jorge Kreimer

Posts: 2393

Los Angeles, California, US

I think this is a joke profile and thread.

Very entertaining, nonetheless.

Nov 06 12 11:50 am Link

Photographer

In Balance Photography

Posts: 3372

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Well she got a lot of image views .

Nov 06 12 11:51 am Link

Photographer

Escalante

Posts: 5367

Chicago, Illinois, US

In Balance Photography wrote:
Well she got a lot of image views .

So Does that Car wreck on the side of the Hi way , everyone cant help but look at the messed up pile of Metal and Flesh , You just can't stop looking at it , regardless of how Bloody of a mess of gross goo it maybe , your eyes continue to stare as you drive by .....

Nov 06 12 11:56 am Link

Model

TinRoses

Posts: 188

Wellington, Florida, US

In Balance Photography wrote:
Well she got a lot of image views .

And a couple comments from people trying to be nice hmm

Nov 06 12 11:56 am Link

Model

Amira_

Posts: 280

Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

lol..wow...I just read most of this thread too .... Kimberly .... By no means am I someone to guide you to the light on this, but I do have to say that you have a lot of passion.
However, your attitude isn't helping your case. 
Since you might not be taking any of the pages of valuable advise offered, maybe go to an open call to an agency near you for a face to face "real" "brutal" critique. 
Best of luck to you .. and pick your battles, the world is too small.

Nov 06 12 11:57 am Link

Photographer

Escalante

Posts: 5367

Chicago, Illinois, US

Jorge Kreimer wrote:
I think this is a joke profile and thread.

Very entertaining, nonetheless.

Can we Say 'Delusional Threads'


I am surprised Dean Johnson wasn't brought up...

Nov 06 12 11:58 am Link

Photographer

PhotographybyT

Posts: 7691

Monterey, California, US

Wow! (@ thread) ...just wow...and I don't mean in a good way.

Nov 06 12 12:02 pm Link

Photographer

Escalante

Posts: 5367

Chicago, Illinois, US

Kimberley Elodie wrote:
Hi Karl. What I am doing is not really arguing, it is more like providing clarity to misguided thoughts. The problem with these online communities is that everyone is anonymous, no matter how many photos, videos, comments, bios,  and even 'proofs' people can put on their site. Fact of the matter is that everyone knows that the chances of interacting with these individuals in real life are ridiculously slim (unless a collective effort is made towards meeting up).

Not in the REAL world that this industry is made up of .
I work with SEVERAL agencies National & International ,  and trust me (have also Help SEVERAL Models get Signed ) , we all know each other one way or another .
  I don't use any fake studio name(s) This is My REAL Name. We all TALK and we All KNOW each or OF each other or know someone who KNOWS of Us.
  It is a REAL small world out there ...



p.s. None of the  agencies I work with would sign the OP.

Nov 06 12 12:02 pm Link

Model

TinRoses

Posts: 188

Wellington, Florida, US

Escalante wrote:

Not in the REAL world this industry is made up of .
I work with SEVERAL agencies National & International , and trust me , we all know each other one way or another .
  I don't use any fake studio name(s) This is My REAL Name. We all TALK and we All KNOW each or OF each other or know someone who KNOWS of Us.
  It is a REAL small world out there ...



p.s. None of the  agencies I work with would sign the OP.

+10000

Nov 06 12 12:08 pm Link

Photographer

Sergei Rodionov

Posts: 867

Dallas, Texas, US

PhotographybyT wrote:
Wow! (@ thread) ...just wow...and I don't mean in a good way.

well it has certain comical value..

Nov 06 12 12:26 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Jade Honey wrote:

You have some Ahh...Ma...Zing images by the way, turely breath taking smile

Thank yew.

Nov 06 12 12:27 pm Link

Photographer

Philipe

Posts: 5214

Pomona, California, US

To the OP.
You don't like like a model. Its not something you should try professionally.
Just be happy that you have a MM account..

Nov 06 12 12:34 pm Link

Photographer

Swank Photography

Posts: 19015

Key West, Florida, US

Kimberley Elodie wrote:
Hello everyone on llamamayhem.com!

I am one of the newest members of this community, and I made this thread for several purposes: to network, to learn, and to progress!! I am looking to connect and have a general discussion about things newbies to the scene show know, master, and be wary of.

Please give me, my page, my work, and anything else that catches your eye an overall critique. I FULLY ENCOURAGE YOU to add me, check out my webpage and give me your brutally honest opinions, thoughts, compliments, and criticism. I am here to grow as an industry professional and definitely make invaluable connects with real people who care (and not scam artists).


My back story:

I am a 21 year old journalism major turned llama from NYC. I was always unsure of which direction I should take my life, but not too long ago it became clear that I am a natural born entertainer, dying to take flight and soar in her entertainment dreams! Acting, singing, dancing, and writing are just a few of my many creative passions.

I joined llamamayhem.com to meet more professionals in the llamaing and entertainment industry, and also to find local or distant work. In a nutshell, I am broadening my horizons, accepting mentors, and am definitely open to making new, exciting friendships.



Lastly, do you have any tips or advice for a petite, new llama like myself? How can I use this site to hone in on my skills, and find niche?

I really haven't had too much luck meeting people who want to discuss their journey, trials, and tribulations here. I hope this thread can help clear the fog on navigating through the hazy road to success here at llamamayhem.com!

Thank you for reading, now fire away!!

Peace, love, unity, respect. -Kimberley Elle

EDIT: PLEASE, NO TROLLING. I made this post to get feedback from everyone that will help me better myself, however name calling and bitterness is not welcome here. If you do not care about me, I will care even less about your input.

Ok. Well. Your enthusiasm is adorable (you're gonna need it in order to survive here in this place).

In looking at your profile, 2 things grabbed my attention.

1 was the fact that you lay claim to "Very Experienced" and the other was "Stunt" under Genres.

Now I'm curious as to what you feel makes you qualify for the "Very Experienced" section when you are new to llamaing?

Also as for "stunt"...what stunts are you able to perform? And why do you feel this is necessary to include in your Genres at all?

Now as for your portfolio, it is lacking in many areas. Please know I am not trying to be mean here, just observing and responding.

The ballerina images are dreadful at best and doesn't flatter you in the least (my opinion is that unless you are a 90 lb. waif, please do not portray yourself as a ballerina, works about as much as a hippo in a belly dancer outfit, NOT that I am calling you a hippo at all, just wanting the mods

Nov 06 12 12:40 pm Link

Photographer

Exterminate

Posts: 65

Seattle, Washington, US

_ Robyn Elizabeth _ wrote:
I think after TinRoses' post is a good place for me to join in here since you were really very rude in your reply to her.

So as another comparism, your stats are almost identical to mine, now either:

1: You have worked with really bad photographers who make you look much larger than you are.
2: Your pictures are out of date and you have lost a lot of weight
3: You are not a size 4-6

For either of the first two options you really need to get some better pictures but you will find it hard to get people to work with you with that attitude.  I would say, option 3 is the most likely.

Even at my size, US 4 and sometimes 6 depending on the clothing range, I am both a bit large and rather too short to be a fashion model (oh and also too old but that doesn't refer to you).

You have a pretty face but you have a terrible attitude.  Noone on this thread was trying to be mean but you have a very distorted view of reality.

Get the attitude in check and enjoy the modelling as a hobby.

+1

OP: I wouldn't work with you, as your port is weak, and your attitude doesn't make up for it. A large ego doesn't book you work; your looks, demeanor, talent displayed do. All of which you need to work on.

Nov 06 12 12:42 pm Link

Photographer

Photos 4 The Memories

Posts: 1287

Kewaskum, Wisconsin, US

WOW I thought this would have been given a mercy lock already at page one.

Nov 06 12 12:50 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Swank Photography wrote:
Also as for "stunt"...what stunts are you able to perform?

The self-immolation she's performed in this thread has been pretty memorable.

Nov 06 12 12:50 pm Link

Photographer

Swank Photography

Posts: 19015

Key West, Florida, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:

The self-immolation she's performed in this thread has been pretty memorable.

Honestly I havent read any of the other responses as of yet...but I am about to now.

Nov 06 12 02:44 pm Link

Photographer

Swank Photography

Posts: 19015

Key West, Florida, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:

I don't suggest it blithely, but when a really raw beginner posts images like these:
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121102/05/5093bc262e32c_m.jpghttp://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121102/05/5093bf57b2d77_m.jpghttp://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121102/05/5093bbd03b77d_m.jpg
...she damned well needs to work with better photographers. A pretty new dress isn't going to fix shots like that.

And, yes, a model who's not exactly built like an SI swimsuit model and has almost no modeling chops may well need to pay to work with a competent photographer.

^100% agree^

Nov 06 12 02:46 pm Link

guide forum

Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6308

New York, New York, US

Photos 4 The Memories  wrote:
WOW I thought this would have been given a mercy lock already at page one.

I know, I'm just a cock-eyed optimist, but wouldn't it be nice if some other misinformed newbies might stumble across it, read it all the way through, say to herself, "Wow!  Do I come across like that?" and learn from it?

I live in hope.

Nov 06 12 02:48 pm Link

Photographer

Christopher Carter

Posts: 7688

Indianapolis, Indiana, US

Isn't there a rule about arguing with people when you asked for the critique?

Nov 06 12 02:55 pm Link

Photographer

Swank Photography

Posts: 19015

Key West, Florida, US

Kimberley Elodie wrote:
Your comments give me a glimpse into who you are, and that knowledge alone strips you of any credibility.

Getting snarky here doesn't help you in the least.

I am an individual, I don't let others decide my fate or how I view myself.

Congratulations.

What makes you think that I really care about your opinion on how "hard" I am trying on my profile?

Simple, you are asking for opions/advice/etc. from others. If you don't want to know, or don't want advice, then don't post and seek it out. Remember: ask and ye shall receive

Maybe you are an underachiever

You do not know Orca in the least so stop being rude here or the mods will put you in time out for being rude. Also, it tends to put you in a bad light and nobody will want to remotely work with you from here at all simply because of your attitiude.

but my dynamic personality always drives me to impress and go above and beyond with anything I do. That includes taking about my dazzling, dynamic, multifaceted personality.

Believing your own hype is a good start, but not when you come off in poor light. Knock it off. There is a HUGE difference before confidence and being obnoxious. Learn it quickly.

This is a networking site buddy, get with the program.

You might want to heed your own advice here young lady.

Don't come on internet message boards hiding behind your computer trying to bring down someone because you are too narrow minded.

Again you might want to heed your own advice on this one too.

You know OP...I changed my mind about giving youa chance if you were down here. With this attitude you displayed here (and I am not even off the first page of this train wreck of yours yet), I can clearly see that you are not worth my time or energy (and defintely not worth my camera).

I wish you the best in your short "modeling" experience.

Nov 06 12 02:59 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Since the OP thinks I was picking on her, here are a few recent critiques I did for others. Heads up, Twinkletoes.

For model Cameron Abraham -
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … st17698508

For model Michele Bowers -
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … st17698035

For photographer Kick Kn -
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … st17695978

For model Melissa Milford (probably my harshest crit) -
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … st17695830

Perhaps some of you folks (certainly not the OP) will find something in common among the critiques. Detailed and detail-oriented, mentioning some good points where possible and analyzing the bad where needed. I try not to cheap-shot, but neither do I pull punches. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Given the OP's horrendous portfolio and ridiculous profile, I was *far* gentler with her than with those others listed.

Nov 06 12 05:59 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Lodi, California, US

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
Isn't there a rule about arguing with people when you asked for the critique?

I think it's more a guideline or recommendation, rather than a rule. Arguing about feedback is just bad form.

Nov 07 12 12:48 am Link

Photographer

Lee_Photography

Posts: 8819

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
Isn't there a rule about arguing with people when you asked for the critique?

Orca Bay Images wrote:
I think it's more a guideline or recommendation, rather than a rule. Arguing about feedback is just bad form.

I believe it says to be nice on the first page of the thread, then all hell can break loose once past that.
{Edit: Will actually read the guide lines again}


Copied from guide line
[* These are guidelines, not rules. Following them is more courtesy than urgency. Hopefully by following them you will help keep the section from becoming unruly.]


[Do not argue with other respondents about their critiques or attack their work and credibility.]

[Disagree with the critique of others in a respectful manner. Remember that critiques can be extremely stressful, and adding to that stress by flaming other users is not allowed.]

[When you request a critique, you are opening yourself up to aggressive criticism of your work and techniques. If someone says something unfavorable about your work, that does not give you the right to cop an attitude with them, or to critique their work in return. In posting in the critique section you are asking for come what may: the good, the bad, and the ugly.]


[Respond directly to the original poster at least until the thread has gone past 41 posts (when a second page appears).]

Actually the way critiques seem to work is you learn as much from the critique of others as they hopefully do from you. Plus it is nice to have your opinions challenged from time to time, because it helps you validate your opinion, and if your open it may bring new light to an idea, or even a misconception you may have.

The whole idea is to learn from others, and many on MM have a lot of knowledge that they are willing to share.

Photograph often, and enjoy the experience

Nov 07 12 08:08 am Link

Photographer

LetitiaAnnaKing

Posts: 17

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

Hello Doll,

I've worked with a plus model or two, and I'm happy to not discriminate, HOWEVER, you need to read fashion magazines, and lots of them. From them you can swat up on poses, on which you're weak. You can't rely on a photographer to tell you and put you in good poses, for that we could use a mannequin.

And talk to a stylist, learn what works for you. That dress does not. At all. Not even a little. Learn the difference between A Line and Bodycon. A line is a curvy girls best friend, body con is not. I should know, I'm a size 16 girl myself.

Being new to the business and a plus sized girl you are going to find that you will have to provide your own clothes to the shoot, so you are going to need to update your wardrobe.

Just one more tip,
Bigger girls need to avoid strapless or asymmetric straps, it adds inches to your shoulders, thus making your body shape look boxy. Choose thicker straps, or longer arms like cap sleeves.

Loose chiffon is a friend
Avoid lycra

Even if you aren't toned, and can I say, you don't HAVE to get fit if you don't want to, there is an industry for your body type, but it isn't all pretty frocks, it's lingerie and a little saucy, but if you're wanting to make money, then that's an avenue to go down, just make sure you don't do anything you dont want to, and may regret further on in your career.
So if you don't want to tone up then you need how to learn how to tense your body, but in a way to not make yourself look stiff. Practise in the mirror, start with your arms, they are often a problem area.

If you want any more advice send me a message.

Tish

Nov 07 12 08:22 am Link