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Model

megan rose

Posts: 23

Montgomery, Alabama, US

would the
photographer
be responsible for giving
a model direction?
or is it solely on the model
and is her responsibility.

i tried imagining how
my posing would appear,
still it was kind of difficult.

after all, we don't
know exactly whats
being captured behind the
lens. in a sense, we are
blind in that regard.

so who's responsibilty
is it?

and does that mean the
photographer isn't as
good if they don't give much
direction?

Nov 09 12 05:08 pm Link

Photographer

Vector 38

Posts: 8296

Austin, Texas, US

much like a dance, although one certainly leads, it's often a collaboration ...

Nov 09 12 05:20 pm Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12834

Atlanta, Georgia, US

If a photographer works with new models or models "in development" then they are used to giving a lot of direction.  Some photographers do not or are used to more expierenced models and may only given slight direction or even emotions/feelings

A model should be able to handle it by a certain point in their career, but usually not on day 1

Nov 09 12 05:20 pm Link

Photographer

PTPhotoUT

Posts: 1961

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

I work with a wide range of models from beginners to seasoned professionals. With the new ones it can be a chore directing them. It is always a treat to work with one that knows what she is doing.

Nov 09 12 05:27 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Is this a poem?

Nov 09 12 05:33 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22610

Salem, Oregon, US

if it's a newbie photographer and newbie model then you just fumble around and see what you can get and you each learn from the experience. an experienced photographer should be able to direct the model.

on our set we have a mirror and we also shoot into a TV so the model can see for herself.

also keep in mind that there might be 400 shots and only 4 of those are worth anything. so don't worry about making a mistake. you only need a few really good ones.

i'd rather have a model that was too lively than not lively enough. if the model just stands there making a DMV photo face then that's not terribly exciting. have the photographer play some music you like if you're feeling stiff. some photographers will ply you with alcohol but i don't do that.

Nov 09 12 05:35 pm Link

Model

megan rose

Posts: 23

Montgomery, Alabama, US

PTPhotoUT wrote:
I work with a wide range of models from beginners to seasoned professionals. With the new ones it can be a chore directing them. It is always a treat to work with one that knows what she is doing.

as a photographer, im sure
it is. i would love to be that treat
of a model one day. smile
i just need a bit more experience,
and help along the way.

Nov 09 12 05:40 pm Link

Photographer

BTHPhoto

Posts: 6816

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

If you're a beginner
show up
do what you're told.

If you're experienced
show up
make suggestions
do what you're told.

If you're very experienced
show up
listen carefully
do what needs done without being told

Nov 09 12 05:47 pm Link

Photographer

Cherrystone

Posts: 36710

Columbus, Ohio, US

Would the model be responsible showing the photographer how to shoot?

Nov 09 12 05:57 pm Link

Photographer

Innovative Imagery

Posts: 2815

Los Angeles, California, US

What is a model? 

To me, I think a model is one who is very comfortable in front of a camera, has a very good look which encompasses excellent skin tone and conditioning, healthy hair, trim and toned body, and great connection to the camera which leads to strong expressions.  She/he knows their body and what poses look good and knows how to stay in one place to keep focus or depth issues to a minimum.  She is on time and reliable and easy to work with and not thinned skinned and can laugh at herself.

So while a model should know how to move and so forth, the photographer is typically the one directing the shoot and knows what they are trying to capture.   So they have chosen the set, the lighting and often the wardrobe or theme of the shoot.  Since they are the only ones who can see what is being captured or seen by the camera, then ultimately it is their responsibility.  But you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Depending on the shoot requirements, it may take a little or a lot of direction, so just because they don't give much doesn't make them a bad photographer.

Nov 09 12 05:58 pm Link

Model

megan rose

Posts: 23

Montgomery, Alabama, US

Cherrystone wrote:
Would the model be responsible showing the photographer how to shoot?

hmmmm...interesting
way to put it. definately
something to think about.

Nov 09 12 05:59 pm Link

Photographer

R Michael Walker

Posts: 11986

Costa Mesa, California, US

It really depends on the shooter. I want to direct everything. Many want to have the model go off like the energizer bunny. Most are probably somewhere in between.

Nov 09 12 06:03 pm Link

Photographer

bmiSTUDIO

Posts: 1734

Essex Junction, Vermont, US

megan rose wrote:
would the
photographer
be responsible for giving
a model direction?
or is it solely on the model
and is her responsibility.

i tried imagining how
my posing would appear,
still it was kind of difficult.

after all, we don't
know exactly whats
being captured behind the
lens. in a sense, we are
blind in that regard.

so who's responsibilty
is it?

and does that mean the
photographer isn't as
good if they don't give much
direction?

It's a model's duty to know what her poses look like to the camera. You should be practicing poses in front of a mirror so you know what poses feel like, how your body looks to the photographer. It's muscle memory. You need to know what poses are flattering to your figure. You should also have basic lighting knowledge so you know how light and shadow affect the poses you strike. Photographers certainly may direct a model or tweak a pose, but I would never expect a photographer to direct every aspect of every pose. If you don't have these skills, then you may be shown the door at some shoots. Some photographers may want to direct your poses. If not, then you need to be prepared to dazzle the camera with your own poses.

Nov 09 12 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

Albertex Photography

Posts: 15408

Mansfield, Texas, US

Photo haiku:
Model ponders pose
Waits for shooters instructions
Both will miss the shot

Nov 09 12 11:13 pm Link

Photographer

Image Magik

Posts: 1068

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Yes it's the photog's responsibility to direct the model since he's the one that see's the whole composition however a talented model knows how to hit her poses too so in the end it's a team effort:-)

Nov 09 12 11:46 pm Link

Model

javon smith

Posts: 6

Los Angeles, California, US

BTHPhoto wrote:
If you're a beginner
show up
do what you're told.

If you're experienced
show up
make suggestions
do what you're told.

If you're very experienced
show up
listen carefully
do what needs done without being told

Nov 11 12 02:29 am Link