First off this is a huge story and I'm sad for the victims. Now having said that is this some new kind of hysteria that it seems to come up in the media a lot?
Today forget commies, the new hysteria is "peds under the beds" or on street corners or public loos..... That's the new hysteria so to speak IMHO...
For those of you from the UK so I'd love to know your thoughts on this whole Jimmy Saville thing........We're only just hearing about it now in Australia with lots of big names being questioned..
It's just my opinion but this is getting to the point of becoming a potential witch hunt...
Could it be that a lot of innocent people might be charged and it will become a he said /she/he said affair. Unless they can find evidence that is foolproof. The finger pointing just will not end.
Why are they only going after the dead and half dead when there are bigger fish to fry. And even here the various inquiries have very limited terms of reference.
And I know these things go high up and are well orchestrated. Even here....
So where is the real fire????
Dec 01 12 06:38 am Link
The Brit papers make a meal this stuff exactly and precisely for one reason - you can't libel the dead. They could make him out to be Pol Pot, Hitler, and Stalin all wrapped into one, they could accuse him of torture and murder even, much less groping or screwing some teenage groupies 40 years ago, and no one can do a thing about it. There is no press blackout as for a live accused and not only in defamation but also no risk of contempt of court either.
They are also doing exactly the same to others now departed.
With the live ones you also get the likes of very much alive Lord McAlpine who has the money to throw at it, and who was publicly accused of being a kiddy-diddler as well. He's on the path to sue upwards of 10,000 individuals for defamation, the lion's share of which occurred on-line via Twitter, based so far on roughly 1000 primary tweets and 9000 additional re-tweets,... and there have already been some settlements which does not bode well for the others.
Dec 01 12 09:37 am Link
Well, that, and the Brits really love a good witch-hunt. Operation Ore, anyone?
Dec 01 12 09:44 am Link
Oh, God, yes! It's like a national sport.
Dec 01 12 09:45 am Link
Yep. A lot of good people completely destroyed by false evidence. Very sad, really. Any semblance of reason and good evidence was quite happily tossed to the wind. Feeding frenzy would be a gross understatement
Dec 01 12 10:03 am Link
Newcastle upon Tyne, England, United Kingdom
Allegedly, if this is all true of course (and it's sure looking that way), there are a LOT of young people who have had their lives changed irrevocably by one man's twisted perception of what is ok and what isn't (and his accomplices of course).
I don't like the idea its only really come out of the woodwork since he's passed but I appreciate that sexual assault takes a lot of courage to report, no less when it's someone as high profile as Jimmy Savile and co.
Dec 01 12 01:52 pm Link
Huntington Beach, California, US
People do not become life long buggerers without the aid and comfort of others. Same thing for Sandusky, he was one of many.
Dec 01 12 02:09 pm Link
Abi Hill wrote:
That was then. Where were the parents?
Dec 01 12 02:18 pm Link
Pattaya, Central, Thailand
I must admit I have a perverted sense of humor, but the interview with the lady who ran the girls school for intelligent girls who couldnt quite fit into society but would do anything for one of jimmies cigarettes, apparently, is quite surreal
Dec 01 12 02:28 pm Link
Houston, Texas, US
"Ore" means "Hooker" in British
Dec 01 12 02:39 pm Link
Viking Models wrote:
I worked cases from Ore, did you? People killed themselves when accused of crimes they (provably) could not have committed even if they had wanted to. It was a witch-hut based on false evidence from the U.S. (credit card fraud anyone?) that the U.K. has since apologized for. Sucks to be a dead person when the apology comes.
Dec 01 12 02:44 pm Link
News to me, and I grew up there
Dec 01 12 02:50 pm Link
London, England, United Kingdom
The latest celebrity to have been interviewed is reported by friends to be suicidal. I hope the police have acted appropriately otherwise the backlash will be overwhelming - particularly given this particular celebrity's widely held popularity. He can't be identified currently - not that that's much protection!
Dec 01 12 03:10 pm Link
In another recent but completely different case the social workers involved publicly voiced the opinion that the girls had made "a lifestyle choice" [to give away a little pussy in exchange for other stuff that they wanted - alcohol, drugs and material goods.] These are girls, and boys as well, "in care," but that does not mean that they are in a secure facility [locked up]. Quite the opposite. They are literally free to come and go as they damn well please, and some of them do exactly that.
Dec 01 12 03:14 pm Link
Maybe I'm dating myself here, but who wasn't boinking their brains out by the time they were 13? No one that I can think of
Dec 01 12 03:18 pm Link
True dat. There is one I know in the neighbourhood as we speak, who is 12 [13 now I think] and servicing the local lads in exchange for ????. They are not only screwing their little brains out, but, by any measure, are actually prostituting themselves.
Dec 01 12 03:27 pm Link
So, not much has changed from the late 60's? Chuckles. Oh how I miss ol blighty.
Dec 01 12 03:30 pm Link
The only change since then [possibly] is the current belief amongst a lot of the "yoof" that oral, anal, and hand-jobs aren't even considered having sex at all.
Dec 01 12 03:36 pm Link
These things weren't considered "sex" then I think what Americans do not understand is that the "age of consent" is much lower in Europe. Jebus, I was a bar tender when I was 18 (Black Lion Inn, Bristol, Witchurch). 16, you could go to the bar. No problem. Holy crap! By American standards I'm a pedo!!!!!! (and loved every minute of it).
Dec 01 12 03:42 pm Link
West Hollywood, California, US
Wouldn't that be 'Ore as in the Cockney of whore with the H sound silent?
Dec 01 12 03:49 pm Link
Designit - Edward Olson wrote:
Dec 01 12 03:50 pm Link
Santa Monica, California, US
Does this have something to do with The Masons?
I did a web search and got 'they were all Masons' or some-such.
Secret Society of buggers?
Santa Monica, California, US
SAND DIAL wrote:
boinking = screwing = fucking in case you aren't familiar with the word "boinking" aka "bonking"
Dec 01 12 04:52 pm Link
T B O L wrote:
That's strange we've been seeing his name in forums everywhere... He did that song "tie me kangaroo down boys" and uses a wobble board for music.
Dec 02 12 06:25 am Link
The government should just bite the bullet and recognise the facts of life on the ground. Then lower the age of consent to, say, 12 and get it over with.
Dec 02 12 08:14 am Link
Dunno if I can agree with this one. Why should there be an age of consent at all? People gonna do it when they are ready to, well, do it. Nature. You can't, no matter how much you might want to, really control nature via legislation
Dec 02 12 08:30 am Link
Dec 02 12 08:51 am Link
Buffalo, New York, US
I don't know if it's a big deal here or not, but I've never heard of him, if that helps.
Dec 02 12 08:59 am Link
Dec 02 12 09:05 am Link
What's a Gillick?
Dec 02 12 01:02 pm Link
Dec 02 12 01:28 pm Link
Gillick competence is a term originating in England and is used in medical law to decide whether a child (16 years or younger) is able to consent to his or her own medical treatment, without the need for parental permission or knowledge. In this case the issue of proscribing contraception. And where a minor [U-16] seeks contraception advice or prescribing it must be reasonably presumed they are already sexually active or considering becoming sexually active. Just as day follows night follows day, and so forth.
Dec 02 12 01:34 pm Link
Yup, and where you have someone who is, as it is sometimes said, 13 going on 30 you, as a parent, a policeman, or a prosecutor, have a problem with them and their legal capacity to consent to sex.
Dec 02 12 01:37 pm Link
What this all seems to boil down to is that those making the laws, or enforcing them, seem to believe that '50s sit-coms are REAL!!!
Dec 02 12 05:03 pm Link
This is getting stupid now. People are talking about hauling bands like Led Zeppelin and such into court for fucking groupies..... Because most of them were early to mid teens. I said this would happen and it's people applying 2012 PC LOGIC to something that was culturally different........
To quote Wikipedia....
Groupies became prominent in the music scene in the 1960s and 1970s. This was prior to the murder of John Lennon in December 1980, and before security levels for bands increased significantly. Female groupies in particular have a long-standing reputation of being available to celebrities, pop stars, rock stars and other public figures. Led Zeppelin singer Robert Plant is quoted as distinguishing between fans who wanted brief sexual encounters, and "groupies" who travelled with musicians for extended periods of time, acting as a surrogate girlfriend or mother, often taking care of the musician's valuables, drugs, wardrobe, and social life
Dec 02 12 05:11 pm Link
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Well in case you hadn't noticed uptil now, most previously illegal sexual activities are now redefined as Lifestyle choices and actively promoted in many cases, so now only pedophilia is left to recieve the witch hunting frenzy of the self righteous and boost the careers of do gooders, shock jocks etc etc. So far sad cases, social workers, art photographers, uncles, people who run charitable institutions, musicians, educational staff, fathers in bitchy divorce case and the clergy have been on the sharp end, now they have started on TV personalities. Bus & Tram conductors will probably be next
Dec 03 12 01:04 am Link
Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom
News to me, I've only heard of Ore in the context of metal deposits in rock.
Dec 03 12 01:33 am Link
Stoke-on-Trent, England, United Kingdom
OP, over here is now very old news that pops up every so often when it is a slow news day or when another person is found to have been taken in for questioning. There were a few threads on here when he news first broke.
It is a very sad situation for the people involved. If only action had been taken sooner, such as in the 1960s.
Dec 03 12 01:44 am Link
Leeds, England, United Kingdom
Designit - Edward Olson wrote:
The word is whore pronounced hor and is not cockney but does indeed mean prostitute.
Dec 03 12 12:07 pm Link