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Ronit Zeller

Posts: 9

New York, New York, US

I know photographers can't do nude shoots with underage models.

Do I have to check the photographer's age if I do a nude shoot with him/her?

Dec 02 12 06:50 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6329

New York, New York, US

Actually, they can (at least in the U.S.) unless local ordinances prohibit it or the nature of the shot moves them into pornography rather than art.  Most don't, rather than risk the claims of child exploitation that come along with or without any actual justification.  It's just not worth the hassle.

For the same reason, it would probably be wiser to check ID's if the photographer appears to be under 18 (in most places) and not shoot nudes with them if they are, unless they are accompanied by a parent or guardian or if you are in a controlled environment such as an art school class.

All IMHO, as always.

Dec 02 12 07:58 pm Link

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Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1693

Los Angeles, California, US

Not unless you have to wait until their high school lets out to shoot.

Dec 02 12 09:48 pm Link

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Brian Scanlon

Posts: 791

Encino, California, US

Do you check IDs of your date if you decide to get frisky?

Dec 02 12 10:32 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 38621

Portland, Oregon, US

Ronit Zeller wrote:
I know photographers can't do nude shoots with underage models.

Do I have to check the photographer's age if I do a nude shoot with him/her?

I don't know, can you foresee any potential legal risks associated with getting naked in front of a minor and having that documented photographically?

Dec 02 12 10:35 pm Link

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The Wewa Project

Posts: 2

Panama City Beach, Florida, US

Ronit Zeller wrote:
I know photographers can't do nude shoots with underage models.

Do I have to check the photographer's age if I do a nude shoot with him/her?

If you expect to use images from the shoot, satisfy yourself as to the photographer's age - nude or otherwise.  A grant of usage rights from someone

Dec 02 12 10:47 pm Link

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Christy Yarbrough

Posts: 42

Huntsville, Alabama, US

I just have to ask, I know everyone is thinking it "Have you had this problem or just thinking you might have it one day?".

But that being ask-- I must say as a women--I would not want to personal get nude in front of a minor for them to take photos of me.

I would most def. ask to see a ID you show for a shoot and it looks like there is a possibility that anyone at the shoot is a minor.  If anyone form he photographer to the person doing make-up or holding the reflectors is a minor, I would keep my cloths on.  Any thing can a will be used against you in a court of Law when it comes to a minor.

Dec 02 12 10:53 pm Link

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Michael McGowan

Posts: 3657

Tucson, Arizona, US

Oddly enough, the answer CAN be yes, depending on the content of the shoot.

In some states you could be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor if you stripped or did too-sexy photos. The laws and their enforcement varies state by state and even locality by locality.

So, if you shoot with an under-age photographer, keep it clean.

Dec 02 12 11:10 pm Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 36720

Columbus, Ohio, US

Brian Scanlon wrote:
Do you check IDs of your date if you decide to get frisky?

It's a legitimate question, and your comparison doesn't work.

Dec 02 12 11:10 pm Link

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JoJo

Posts: 25565

Clearwater, Florida, US

Most states/counties/municipalities have some sort of a “contributing to the delinquency of minors” legislation mostly designed to prevent adults from supplying alcohol, tobacco and other age restricted products to minors.
If you read the legislation through you will most likely find several clauses referring to “lewd and lascivious conduct with, or in the presents of a minor”.

Almost any prosecutor would jump on a case of an adult female model “suggestively posing nude and gyrating in a sexual manner” for a minor while the minor photographed these "gyrations".
Gawd help the model if this were a paid shoot.

Next question… if the model were convicted would she be labeled a ‘dangerous sex offender’ and have to register as such within the USA?

Next question… since the photographer is a minor how can he legally sign a usage agreement?

Dec 02 12 11:14 pm Link

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studio36uk

Posts: 21913

Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

JoJo wrote:
Next question… if the model were convicted would she be labeled a ‘dangerous sex offender’ and have to register as such within the USA?

Quite likely

JoJo wrote:
Next question… since the photographer is a minor how can he legally sign a usage agreement?

With a pen.

Seriously, minors are parties to many kinds of contracts on a daily basis. Some of those contracts may have special rules, and others do not, surrounding their enforcement against the minor, but unless they are voided or otherwise nullified in some way [by operation of law?] they would be good agreements.

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Dec 03 12 03:02 am Link

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D-Light

Posts: 618

Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland

The age limit here is 17 and it works both ways. If the photographer looks likely to be under age, it's far better for the model to be sure and avoid any hassle.

As a policy I don't work with any models under 18, unless a parent is present for the whole shoot and signs a release. Models should use a similar policy with photographers. All it takes is one prude to cause a lot of trouble.

Dec 03 12 04:31 am Link

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MatureModelMM

Posts: 1194

Detroit, Michigan, US

A few times over the years I have llamaled nude in life drawing sessions which sometimes may have included one or more really talented 16 or 17 year old artists in addition to adults. The director of the sessions always made it a point to inform llamas when booking for those assignments that there may be artists under the age of 18 present, and to keep the poses tasteful if they decided to llama for the session. There was never any hesitation on their part to allow the younger artists to participate and I believe the parents had to sign a paper saying they were aware that nude llamas were being used.

Photography would probably be a different story. I would not want to llama for a photographer who was under 18, although I can see how in rare cases someone of that age could be in college taking photography classes and required to do nude figure studies as part of their course.

Dec 03 12 12:27 pm Link

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Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

Brian Scanlon wrote:
Do you check IDs of your date if you decide to get frisky?

I know the age of my date before I decide to get frisky, and if there's any confusion or question, I just don't get frisky.

Dec 03 12 12:32 pm Link

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K I C K H A M

Posts: 14636

Los Angeles, California, US

Brian Scanlon wrote:
Do you check IDs of your date if you decide to get frisky?

If you're asking if most of us sleep with underage boys, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the answer is probably "no."

Dec 03 12 12:41 pm Link

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Top Gun Digital

Posts: 1273

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Ronit Zeller wrote:
I know photographers can't do nude shoots with underage models.

Do I have to check the photographer's age if I do a nude shoot with him/her?

If you think the photographer might be underage you probably should check.  In most jurisdictions a minor cannot sign a contract so any agreement you have with him is probably not valid.  If he tells you to get lost at the end of the shoot and refuses to pay you there might be nothing you can do about it.

Since your profile says that you do nudes you need to be extra careful since getting nude in front of a minor might actually be illegal.

My advice is to only shoot with photographers that have grey hair and use a walker....

Dec 03 12 12:43 pm Link

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shawn is boring

Posts: 1288

Long Beach, California, US

K I C K H A M wrote:

If you're asking if most of us sleep with underage boys, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the answer is probably "no."

Key word is most! But I believe you are suppose to be shooting with me, like nowish!

Dec 03 12 12:46 pm Link

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Stanley L Moore

Posts: 1679

Houston, Texas, US

LOL. When I saw the OP on this thread my first thought was the older the photographer the better. I interpreted it to be a worry about shooting with old men.... Do female models feel safer with a 30-something photogrpaher or with a 60-someting guy? I guess I am showing my 60 odd years becaause I never thought of underage photographers.

Dec 03 12 09:49 pm Link

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Brian Scanlon

Posts: 791

Encino, California, US

K I C K H A M wrote:

If you're asking if most of us sleep with underage boys, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the answer is probably "no."

I think that it is just as likely as you would be shooting with underage photographers.

Dec 05 12 12:04 am Link

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California Girls Skate

Posts: 343

Los Angeles, California, US

Damianne wrote:
I know the age of my date before I decide to get frisky, and if there's any confusion or question, I just don't get frisky.

http://www.petco.com/assets/product_images/0/050000423248C.jpg
Bad kitty.

Dec 05 12 12:12 am Link

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Glenn Hall - Fine Art

Posts: 452

Townsville, Queensland, Australia

I am an old fart...with wrinkles and a bald head....beware

Dec 05 12 01:39 am Link

Photographer

Select Models

Posts: 36237

Upland, California, US

Do llamas Need to Check Age of Photographer?

Oh most definitely... AND... if you're shooting within a few days of their birthday... you ARE REQUIRED to bring a present

Dec 05 12 01:48 am Link

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DG at studio47

Posts: 2365

East Ridge, Tennessee, US

Glenn Hall - Fine Art wrote:
I am an old fart...with wrinkles and a bald head....beware

I belong to that brotherhood also.

Dec 05 12 01:52 am Link

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Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

Ronit Zeller wrote:
I know photographers can't do nude shoots with underage models.

Do I have to check the photographer's age if I do a nude shoot with him/her?

Well,  never thought of it that way,    As I see ,    the model could be charged with corupting a minor?   At least that is something that will not bother me..

Dec 05 12 02:02 am Link

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Neil Peters Fotografie

Posts: 1058

Tucson, Arizona, US

well, they won't even be able to post (18+) the pictures they took of you on MM
but you could.
every model should be messaging the previous models of a photog
before you shoot with them
great question .....

Dec 05 12 04:52 pm Link