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Looknsee Photography

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Portland, Oregon, US

Every time I hear an uber-right pundit claim that there is a war on Christmas, I cringe.

...  As I write this, for the next 7 days, there are 12 Christmas themed
     prime time "specials" on the major networks (not counting the Christmas
     theme episodes of regular series).  The other religions have zero.

...  These Christmas specials often feature beloved children's characters,
     further indoctrinating our children on Christmas.

...  In my fairly-long life, Christmas has become more & more commercialized,
     with sellers of jewelry & cars in particular becoming more & more
     desperate.

Sorry -- I can't believe that there is a "War on Christmas" -- I have the right to live a Christian-free life, and I can stand to have less Christmas shoved down my throat.

Thoughts?

Dec 09 12 09:27 am Link

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K E E L I N G

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Peoria, Illinois, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Every time I hear an uber-right pundit claim that there is a war on Christmas, I cringe.

...  As I write this, for the next 7 days, there are 12 Christmas themed
     prime time "specials" on the major networks (not counting the Christmas
     theme episodes of regular series).  The other religions have zero.

...  These Christmas specials often feature beloved children's characters,
     further indoctrinating our children on Christmas.

...  In my fairly-long life, Christmas has become more & more commercialized,
     with sellers of jewelry & cars in particular becoming more & more
     desperate.

Sorry -- I can't believe that there is a "War on Christmas" -- I have the right to live a Christian-free life, and I can stand to have less Christmas shoved down my throat.

Thoughts?

You're overthinking it. 

In the US Christians have a huge amount of consumer buying power and the networks gear their programming toward the fact that those Christians will buy a ton of Xmas gifts during the Holiday season.

Change the channel, things instantly stop being "shoved down your throat"

Dec 09 12 09:29 am Link

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Julia Francesca

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Maumee, Ohio, US

vocal minority.

Dec 09 12 09:32 am Link

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ontherocks

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Salem, Oregon, US

there's a war on my ears. they seriously need to ban xmas music in stores and restaurants!

i did enjoy watching rudolph the other night although the show is kind of oddly disturbing when you see it as an adult.

to me the best thing about xmas is the spirit of giving and helping others, not the gift cards. on xmas day we usually go to the indian casino and give them some of our money (they have an awesome buffet).

Dec 09 12 09:33 am Link

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K E E L I N G

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Peoria, Illinois, US

Maybe I'm weird, but I'm able to go through the xmas season happy and enjoying the fun and giving and cocktails and Santa and the music and... everything.... without thinking about religion one single time.

Santa doesn't preach nor carry a bible.

Dec 09 12 09:37 am Link

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fullmetalphotographer

Posts: 2797

Fresno, California, US

I watch Santa's Slay to get me into that Xmas spirit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKrsAFWPnl4

Dec 09 12 09:40 am Link

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Dan K Photography

Posts: 5488

STATEN ISLAND, New York, US

K E E L I N G wrote:
Maybe I'm weird, but I'm able to go through the xmas season happy and enjoying the fun and giving and cocktails and Santa and the music and... everything.... without thinking about religion one single time.

Santa doesn't preach nor carry a bible.

This. +1

Dec 09 12 09:45 am Link

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Bill Bates

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Payson, Utah, US

"Is There A "War On Christmas"?"

Only if your so paranoid to believe that if you see a sign, greeting card or advertisement that says, "Happy Holidays" or "Season Greetings"  instead of "Merry Christmas" is some how an anti Christian conspiracy. Of course there are those that are pretty paranoid.

I bought cards this year, one says "have a happy holiday season" and the others "Merry Christmas". We bought them because they were cute; not to make some sort of statement.

Dec 09 12 09:46 am Link

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matt-h2

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Oakland, California, US

Yup.

Christmas won.

Dec 09 12 09:48 am Link

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Let There Be Light

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Los Angeles, California, US

Bill Bates wrote:
"Is There A "War On Christmas"?"

Only in the minds of the crazies at Fox News.

Dec 09 12 10:04 am Link

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Looknsee Photography

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Portland, Oregon, US

K E E L I N G wrote:
You're overthinking it. 

In the US Christians have a huge amount of consumer buying power and the networks gear their programming toward the fact that those Christians will buy a ton of Xmas gifts during the Holiday season.

Change the channel, things instantly stop being "shoved down your throat"

I don't mind the advertising.  I don't mind the specials.  I'm not a parent, so I don't even mind the propaganda directed towards children. 

What I find offensive is the uber-right people claiming that there is a "war against Christmas".  Seems to me that Christmas is not under attack at all.

Dec 09 12 10:19 am Link

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Good Egg Productions

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Orlando, Florida, US

Let There Be Light wrote:

Only in the minds of the crazies at Fox News.

QFT

Dec 09 12 11:05 am Link

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Cait Chan

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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

No. No there isn't.


People are still trampling eachother more than ever to get the latest electronics and toys. We have nothing to worry about

Dec 09 12 11:15 am Link

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Gianantonio

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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

K E E L I N G wrote:
Maybe I'm weird, but I'm able to go through the xmas season happy and enjoying the fun and giving and cocktails and Santa and the music and... everything.... without thinking about religion one single time.

Santa doesn't preach nor carry a bible.

Bingo!  Christmas is in your heart.  No one can take that from you.

Dec 09 12 11:23 am Link

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R A V E N D R I V E

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New York, New York, US

I feel excluded from hanukkah, if thats what you mean

Dec 09 12 11:27 am Link

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Gianantonio

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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Cait Chan wrote:
No. No there isn't.


People are still trampling eachother more than ever to get the latest electronics and toys. We have nothing to worry about

You are too young to know who David Steinberg is (I'm guessing) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Steinberg.  He was a comic--like a smart and witty version of Jay Leno.  He also directed many of the Kmart ads that had Rosie O'Donnel and Penny Marshal in them (they are all buds).  So I was working with Kmart's ad agency and in a meeting where part of it was a pre-production meeting with Steinberg (he was on the phone).  So they are discussing the Christmas ad--are they going to show the crowd waiting for the doors to open for Black Friday shopping.  He mentions the pending lawsuit Kmart is facing from the year before--trampled lady suing the store.  I commented that "It's just not the holidays without a lawsuit for being trampled."  And he laughed!  My feeble brush with greatness--making David Steinberg laugh!  big_smile

Dec 09 12 11:35 am Link

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Gianantonio

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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
I feel excluded from hanukkah, if thats what you mean

8(happy hanukkah!)

Dec 09 12 11:36 am Link

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Paige Morgan

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New York, New York, US

I laugh whenever I hear that phrase. Why is it anti Christmas just to acknowledge the existence of other winter holidays, that are just as enjoyable/meaningful to those who celebrate them?


It's so much insecure ado about nothing.

Dec 09 12 11:53 am Link

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kickfight

Posts: 28839

Portland, Oregon, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Every time I hear an uber-right pundit claim that there is a war on Christmas, I cringe.

...  As I write this, for the next 7 days, there are 12 Christmas themed
     prime time "specials" on the major networks (not counting the Christmas
     theme episodes of regular series).  The other religions have zero.

...  These Christmas specials often feature beloved children's characters,
     further indoctrinating our children on Christmas.

...  In my fairly-long life, Christmas has become more & more commercialized,
     with sellers of jewelry & cars in particular becoming more & more
     desperate.

Sorry -- I can't believe that there is a "War on Christmas" -- I have the right to live a Christian-free life, and I can stand to have less Christmas shoved down my throat.

Thoughts?

I have no problem with celebrating mythology as long as everyone understands they are celebrating mythology, be it the Jesus myths or the Santa myths or whatever.

There's no "War on Christmas", except in the minds of those who want to prioritize their favorite mythology above all others.

Dec 09 12 11:58 am Link

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WisconsinArt

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Nashotah, Wisconsin, US

Let There Be Light wrote:

Only in the minds of the crazies at Fox News.

Did you fall for the "War on Women" schlock?

Dec 09 12 12:11 pm Link

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udor

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New York, New York, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Every time I hear an uber-right pundit claim that there is a war on Christmas, I cringe.

Well... errr... the Christians waging a war against Yuletide for 2 millenia... , you know... the birth of the sun god at the winter solstice... smile

Dec 09 12 12:18 pm Link

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Good Egg Productions

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Dec 09 12 12:28 pm Link

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salvatori.

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Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Christmas is what you make it. I am one of those strange people - one that believes in God, believes that Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ. But guess what? My beliefs are just that - mine - and I don't seek to push my agenda on others, even though people that don't believe in God are just as venomous as believers when it comes to looking at the opposite side as wackos.

When I started to take the commerce out of everything (and the way our culture uses it as a measuring stick for almost everything), I began to realize that I could think about things as how they felt inside myself (as if that makes any sense) and the holidays are a whole lot easier to get through (until Summer gets here, I mean...)

smile

Dec 09 12 12:31 pm Link

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salvatori.

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Good Egg Productions wrote:
What's wrong with this picture.



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Wilma's boobs aren't big enough?

Dec 09 12 12:33 pm Link

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Orca Bay Images

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Poulsbo, Washington, US

Sometimes it seems that Christmas has declared war on us. Each year, D-Day comes earlier and earlier. Christmas advertising is now preceding Halloween. Pretty soon it'll come before July 4 and then what will the Fox nutjobs do?

Dec 09 12 12:33 pm Link

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salvatori.

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Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:
Sometimes it seems that Christmas has declared war on us. Each year, D-Day comes earlier and earlier. Christmas advertising is now preceding Halloween. Pretty soon it'll come before July 4 and then what will the Fox nutjobs do?

I am thinking that stores will eventually have Christmas/Holiday departments year 'round (actually can't believe this hasn't happened already).

Dec 09 12 12:35 pm Link

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kickfight

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Portland, Oregon, US

salvatori. wrote:
I don't seek to push my agenda on others, even though people that don't believe in God are just as venomous as believers when it comes to looking at the opposite side as wackos.

Except that the bolded part *is* your agenda, and you just pushed it onto others. lol

Dec 09 12 12:38 pm Link

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salvatori.

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Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

kickfight wrote:
Except that the bolded part *is* your agenda, and you just pushed it onto others. lol

So when you state your opinion in something, it is pushing it onto others? Wow, you must be a ball at parties.

I mean, I thought I was just replying to the OP.

Dec 09 12 12:41 pm Link

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udor

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Good Egg Productions wrote:
What's wrong with this picture.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HM28Z8nf3YE/T … nxmass.jpg

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Nothing!

Pagan rites and winter solstice celebrations predate Christianity...  smile

Dec 09 12 12:41 pm Link

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udor

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DB

Dec 09 12 12:42 pm Link

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Shon D.- Homme

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Virginia Beach, Virginia, US

Paige Morgan wrote:
I laugh whenever I hear that phrase. Why is it anti Christmas just to acknowledge the existence of other winter holidays, that are just as enjoyable/meaningful to those who celebrate them?


It's so much insecure ado about nothing.

This.

Dec 09 12 12:45 pm Link

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Dan K Photography

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STATEN ISLAND, New York, US

Good Egg Productions wrote:
What's wrong with this picture.



Winner gets an Internet cookie.

Fred as usual is forgetting about the Brontosaurus steaks and they will be burnt?

and what udor said.

Dec 09 12 12:46 pm Link

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Brian T Rickey

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Saint Louis, Missouri, US

No there is not, I love Saturnalia and all are free to enjoy it.

Dec 09 12 12:48 pm Link

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Farenell Photography

Posts: 18219

Albany, New York, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Every time I hear an uber-right pundit claim that there is a war on Christmas, I cringe.

...  As I write this, for the next 7 days, there are 12 Christmas themed
     prime time "specials" on the major networks (not counting the Christmas
     theme episodes of regular series).  The other religions have zero.

...  These Christmas specials often feature beloved children's characters,
     further indoctrinating our children on Christmas.

...  In my fairly-long life, Christmas has become more & more commercialized,
     with sellers of jewelry & cars in particular becoming more & more
     desperate.

Sorry -- I can't believe that there is a "War on Christmas" -- I have the right to live a Christian-free life, and I can stand to have less Christmas shoved down my throat.

Thoughts?

Jon Stewart tackles this very topic & hits the nail on the head.

Part 1:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-d … re-edition

Part 2:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-d … philosophy

Dec 09 12 12:48 pm Link

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kickfight

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Portland, Oregon, US

kickfight wrote:
Except that the bolded part *is* your agenda, and you just pushed it onto others. lol

salvatori. wrote:
So when you state your opinion in something, it is pushing it onto others?

It is when you claim not to have an agenda, but then your opinion promotes an agenda.

salvatori. wrote:
Wow, you must be a ball at parties.

I am! smile

salvatori. wrote:
I mean, I thought I was just replying to the OP.

You were. And I was just replying to you. That's how this discussion thingy works.

Dec 09 12 12:56 pm Link

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salvatori.

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Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

kickfight wrote:

kickfight wrote:
Except that the bolded part *is* your agenda, and you just pushed it onto others. lol

salvatori. wrote:
So when you state your opinion in something, it is pushing it onto others?

It is when you claim not to have an agenda, but then your opinion promotes an agenda.

salvatori. wrote:
Wow, you must be a ball at parties.

I am! smile


You were. And I was just replying to you. That's how this discussion thingy works.

Don't insult my intelligence (please). Was the OP promoting his agenda when he posted this thread? That might be a good place to start.

A simple 'yes' or 'no' would suffice.

Dec 09 12 01:02 pm Link

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R A V E N D R I V E

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Dec 09 12 01:02 pm Link

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kickfight

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Portland, Oregon, US

salvatori. wrote:
Don't insult my intelligence (please).

Then don't insult ours.

When people couch their comments with "I don't seek to push my agenda on others, even though...", that's a pretty clear indicator that everything that follows the words "even though" IS their agenda, being pushed onto others.

salvatori. wrote:
Was the OP promoting his agenda when he posted this thread? That might be a good place to start.

Irrelevant. This isn't about the OP.

salvatori. wrote:
A simple 'yes' or 'no' would suffice.

Yeah, nice try, but 'no' cigar. lol

Dec 09 12 01:08 pm Link

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salvatori.

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Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

kickfight wrote:

salvatori. wrote:
Don't insult my intelligence (please).

Then don't insult ours.

When people couch their comments with "I don't seek to push my agenda on others, even though...", that's a pretty clear indicator that everything that follows the words "even though" IS their agenda, being pushed onto others.


Irrelevant. This isn't about the OP.


Yeah, nice try, but 'no' cigar. lol

Maybe I am stupid, but I can't really understand a thing you are saying. If I ask you a question and you dismiss it as irrelevant, where's the 'discussion' you were talking about?

Dec 09 12 01:12 pm Link

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Lost Viking

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Ashville, Ohio, US

For decades people complained about the commercialization of Christmas.

Then when stores started to have holiday sales instead of Christmas sales, Dropped "Christmas" from ads, etc. The same people decided there was a war on Christmas.

Dec 09 12 01:14 pm Link