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Photographer

DearestGrudge Studio

Posts: 1897

Los Angeles, California, US

James Sweeney wrote:
I have some photos with a model holding a 9mm to their head... Do you Think it's too risque?

seriously?

Dec 10 12 08:39 pm Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 2622

Glens Falls, New York, US

Glenn Hall - Fine Art wrote:
...I am kinda wondering if bitch slapping my model with a huge dildo is risky....

I like it.  I've never seen it.  Go for it.

Just get a release first.

Dec 10 12 08:50 pm Link

Photographer

photo212grapher

Posts: 1550

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

photo212grapher wrote:
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I would never have an assistant be the one responsible for checking a gun. I would be the one responsible. If an assistant was a qualified firearm instructor, ...

Ezhini wrote:
As for as photography, she is my assistant.
When it comes to guns I should probably be her assistant and learn a lot more about guns from her.

She grew up around guns, owns a few, including shot guns, she is a good shot, has conceal and carry licence. Properly trained and experienced!

Photographic Assistant does not automatically mean the person is incompetent in all else.

First of all, I never said your assistant did not know her way around guns. What I said is I would never delegate the responsibility to an assistant, not even a qualified firearms instructor. I would have them show me the firearm was secure and safe. They may know more than you and me, but the responsibility is the photographer's in his studio/set.

In most states, just about anyone can get a Conceal Carry permit by demonstration of breathing. Being trained and having plenty of experience, even growing up in a house of a gunsmith, does not make you a qualified firearms instructor. Chances are someone like that is over qualified, but not necessarily so. Regardless, the responsibility still lies with you, not them.

Consider the kids of the infamous photographer Uncle Bob who knows everything about photography when you are taking wedding pictures. Just because Uncle Bob's kids grew up around cameras, even were taught at a young age about f-stops and shutter speeds, it does not make them an expert photographer. Few qualify for that title, and few qualify for the title firearms instructor.

Perhaps you've never seen someone trying to unscrew a Canon or Nikon bayonet mount, like an old Pentax lens. they may know their camera equipment, but not others. Same goes for a crack shot using their firearms versus the many different styles that may be present.

We are probably agreeing more than disagreeing. The firearm needs to be check and verified it is safe. Not even a Master Gunnery Sargent in the Marine Corps as the assistant places a firearm in someone hands without showing me it is safe. It is my responsibility for safety in the studio or on location.

Dec 10 12 08:55 pm Link

Photographer

David Parsons

Posts: 972

Quincy, Massachusetts, US

James Sweeney wrote:
I have some photos with a model holding a 9mm to their head... Do you Think it's too risque?

Depends on your audience.

Dec 10 12 09:13 pm Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 596

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

William Kious wrote:

Really? Are we supposed to censor far the sake of everyone's potential feelings? We've already gone WAY overboard with PC bullshit.

Well thing is grown ups are usually tactful and sensible about concepts involving suicide for two pretty good reasons;

Consideration of relatives

And

Not everyone is 'well' and sadly people sometimes copy concepts in low moments.

Dec 11 12 12:45 am Link

Photographer

William Kious

Posts: 8841

Delphos, Ohio, US

Natural Means wrote:

Well thing is grown ups are usually tactful and sensible about concepts involving suicide for two pretty good reasons;

Consideration of relatives

And

Not everyone is 'well' and sadly people sometimes copy concepts in low moments.

Wow... another one...

As the tertiary party, what relevance or credence should I give to the "feelings" of a second party? If the model wants to be photographed in such fashion, I should refuse for the sake of extended family? Why would I even be privy to any knowledge about a suicide in the model's family?

True... not everyone is "well", but that hardly makes you, me or anyone else responsible for the actions of the "unwell". If someone is set on attempting suicide, I highly doubt that a random photograph is going to be THE element that sets them over the edge.

Are we really growing that weak as a species?

Dec 11 12 03:56 am Link

Photographer

Zack Zoll

Posts: 2622

Glens Falls, New York, US

I agree with what you're saying William, but I think you could word it in a way that makes it easier for others to agree with you, if you get my drift.

You shouldn't have to change your work, or what you show, or your message for the general public, unless there is a specific audience, and you know who that audience is.  For instance, you absolutely should not be showing mock suicide at a school, or a hospital, or a senior centre, or a library, or even at a Starbucks.  These are all 'family friendly' places, and mock suicide is not family friendly.  To say that you can't show it at a gallery, because someone may wander in ... well, that's ridiculous, even if the gallery is next to a mental institution.

As for a photo 'pushing someone over the edge,' ... well, it does happen.  It has been proven that art, music, video games, etc. have all "caused" someone to commit a violent act.  It has also been proven in most of the same cases that those people were mentally imbalanced, and their psyche was subconsciously looking for any possible trigger anyway.  If it's not what it was, it would have been something different.  The result would have been the same, even if the blame shifted.

Besides ... kids in school are encouraged to read Poe and Plath.  You really think you can make a photo that is more likely to make someone want to kill themselves than, "The Bell Jar?"

Dec 11 12 05:40 am Link

Photographer

James Sweeney

Posts: 30

Kittery, Maine, US

TO be fair I threw the photo I was talking about onto an FTP so you all can see what I am talking about... It's on the first post...

I don't want it in my portfolio just because I think it might scare models away... lol

Thanks for all your input on this question of morals and boundaries...

Dec 11 12 06:08 am Link

Photographer

David Chatfield

Posts: 25

Ipswich, England, United Kingdom

James Sweeney wrote:
U all can look at it It's the only M in my portfolio

sorry, without sounding like an idiot.....whats an M?

oh and cant load photo.

Dec 11 12 01:19 pm Link

Photographer

ybfoto

Posts: 665

Oakland, California, US

David Parsons wrote:
Depends on your audience.

this....if you ask me no it wouldn't be, a little cliche...yes, but I am ok with that depending if the girls is nekkid and how it looks smile

but to, say to a conservative or religious person yeah probably it would be...you know the sayin "know the room"

You have to figure out.....who are you tryin to please....yourself or others.

Dec 11 12 05:26 pm Link

Retoucher

PWF Retouch

Posts: 290

Jacksonville, North Carolina, US

I still have not seen this image. I'm intrigued now.

Dec 11 12 05:33 pm Link

Photographer

intense_puppy

Posts: 864

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

Glenn Hall - Fine Art wrote:
...I am kinda wondering if bitch slapping my model with a huge dildo is risky....

So passé....

Dec 11 12 05:39 pm Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24315

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

just say no to the chick posing with gun pics..

i always envision this is the type of guy that shoots that kind of stuff:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jFyjh2goYtQ/TFQkft71SRI/AAAAAAAAAC0/_Yxpkh_uDh4/s1600/fat naked man with gun.jpg[/img]

" oh hey, could you pose with one of my guns?"

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Dec 11 12 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

ybfoto

Posts: 665

Oakland, California, US

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
just say no to the chick posing with gun pics..

i always envision this is the type of guy that shoots that kind of stuff:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jFyjh2goYtQ/TFQkft71SRI/AAAAAAAAAC0/_Yxpkh_uDh4/s1600/fat+naked+man+with+gun.jpg

" oh hey, could you pose with one of my guns?"

all depends on how it is done...I mean you could just say no to chicks posing with , smoking, drinking, in bikinis, dank motel, train tracks, lens flare, haze, snakes, apples, swords, abandoned buildings, by a river, on cliff, in the woods, bedrooms, laundromat in the kitchen, with bunny ears, animal mask, all polaroids, holding a camera, etc....there are so many cliches they are almost impossible to avoid. There are just good cliche shots and shit cliche shots

Dec 11 12 06:18 pm Link