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Photographer

ESPhotos

Posts: 8

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Hi all,
I was wondering how models prefer to be messaged on here to get them interested in setting up a shoot. When I first started, I sent a generic message asking the model if she wanted to shoot and we would throw around ideas/outfits etc. My success rate was ok but nothing spectacular. A few other photographers told me to explain every detail about an idea...the setting, the model's outfits, the lighting ect. I've been doing that for the past year or so and my success rate for getting models to schedule shoots really hasn't improved. This is for both TF and for shoots where I pay the model.

Does anyone have any other ideas/tips on how to get models to respond to messages? How do models prefer to be approached about doing a shoot? Thanks.

Dec 10 12 12:12 pm Link

Model

Babalon Salome

Posts: 3499

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

For the love of God, please include in your first message if you want to shoot TF* or if you are offering a paid shoot.

Dec 10 12 12:17 pm Link

Model

Kaia Murphy

Posts: 171

Champlin, Minnesota, US

Babalon Salome wrote:
For the love of God, please include in your first message if you want to shoot TF* or if you are offering a paid shoot.

^ She's not wrong.

I can't speak for every model, but I prefer a balance of concise and descriptive when someone is messaging me about a shoot. I dunno if you need to explain the lighting set ups, but be sure to give the vital info: when you want the shoot to occur (roughly, at least), where you want the shoot to occur, and what you want to shoot the model doing.

Remember, naming a genre is not telling the model what you want him/her to do for the shoot. wink

Dec 10 12 12:31 pm Link

Model

Laura UnBound

Posts: 27455

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

We neither want to see "hey, let's shoot" nor ten paragraphs. Cover the W's

Who: you, her, Mua/hair/wardrobe, other models?
What: genre of shoot, content limits, items/wardrobe needed
When: doesn't need to be the exact day and time, but tell us what in the next x time frame is available for you. If it needs to be morning, afternoon or night because of your lighting, if you can ony shoot weekends, etc etc
Where: self explanatory
Why: compensation and intended use of photos


This way she can decide if she likes the idea, decide how far you are from her and what it will take to get to you, see if she's free in that time frame, and decide if what you're offering as compensation is worth it.

Dec 10 12 12:48 pm Link

Model

Keira Sibali

Posts: 189

Oakland, New Jersey, US

I like at least a general idea of the concept for the shoot. Also some brief details about compensation, where the photos will be used, etc.

Dec 10 12 12:55 pm Link

Model

Cole Morrison

Posts: 3958

Portland, Oregon, US

Time, date, (time frame), location, compensation, details including wardrobe (or nudity) hair accessories and anything you want me to bring.

I am so tired of :
Photog- Wanna shoot?
Model- Yes I like your portfolio
Photog- OK what do you have in mind??

SCREAMS

Dec 10 12 01:07 pm Link

Model

Sarah_

Posts: 1487

Denver, Colorado, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
We neither want to see "hey, let's shoot" nor ten paragraphs. Cover the W's

Who: you, her, Mua/hair/wardrobe, other models?
What: genre of shoot, content limits, items/wardrobe needed
When: doesn't need to be the exact day and time, but tell us what in the next x time frame is available for you. If it needs to be morning, afternoon or night because of your lighting, if you can ony shoot weekends, etc etc
Where: self explanatory
Why: compensation and intended use of photos


This way she can decide if she likes the idea, decide how far you are from her and what it will take to get to you, see if she's free in that time frame, and decide if what you're offering as compensation is worth it.

^ This says it all. smile

Dec 10 12 01:07 pm Link

Model

Nicolette

Posts: 12698

Midland, Texas, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
We neither want to see "hey, let's shoot" nor ten paragraphs. Cover the W's

Who: you, her, Mua/hair/wardrobe, other models?
What: genre of shoot, content limits, items/wardrobe needed
When: doesn't need to be the exact day and time, but tell us what in the next x time frame is available for you. If it needs to be morning, afternoon or night because of your lighting, if you can ony shoot weekends, etc etc
Where: self explanatory
Why: compensation and intended use of photos


This way she can decide if she likes the idea, decide how far you are from her and what it will take to get to you, see if she's free in that time frame, and decide if what you're offering as compensation is worth it.

This.

Dec 10 12 01:16 pm Link

Model

-Aviva-

Posts: 3456

Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

I would prefer it if I was told what the ideas (ie clothing, theme, etc) for the shoot are, how long it is supposed to take, when it takes place (that's important for scheduling), if make-up/hair is provided, and whether or not it is paid (if so, what the budget is) or TF.

Aviva
www.ahlifeandstyle.com

Dec 10 12 01:18 pm Link

Photographer

PhotographybyT

Posts: 7709

Monterey, California, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
We neither want to see "hey, let's shoot" nor ten paragraphs. Cover the W's

Who: you, her, Mua/hair/wardrobe, other models?
What: genre of shoot, content limits, items/wardrobe needed
When: doesn't need to be the exact day and time, but tell us what in the next x time frame is available for you. If it needs to be morning, afternoon or night because of your lighting, if you can ony shoot weekends, etc etc
Where: self explanatory
Why: compensation and intended use of photos


This way she can decide if she likes the idea, decide how far you are from her and what it will take to get to you, see if she's free in that time frame, and decide if what you're offering as compensation is worth it.

Laura, you could send me a smoke signal and I would want to work with you! tongue

Dec 10 12 01:19 pm Link

Model

Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1702

Los Angeles, California, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
We neither want to see "hey, let's shoot" nor ten paragraphs. Cover the W's

Who: you, her, Mua/hair/wardrobe, other models?
What: genre of shoot, content limits, items/wardrobe needed
When: doesn't need to be the exact day and time, but tell us what in the next x time frame is available for you. If it needs to be morning, afternoon or night because of your lighting, if you can ony shoot weekends, etc etc
Where: self explanatory
Why: compensation and intended use of photos


This way she can decide if she likes the idea, decide how far you are from her and what it will take to get to you, see if she's free in that time frame, and decide if what you're offering as compensation is worth it.

This covers it.

Dec 10 12 01:22 pm Link

Model

Acanthus Tattoos

Posts: 429

Union, New Jersey, US

I'm actually ok with a general initial "wanna shoot?" from someone in my area, especially if I like the photographer's portfolio and if it matches what I'm looking to shoot. To me taking it from there is fine.

Dec 10 12 02:08 pm Link

Model

CRIMSON REIGN

Posts: 819

Baltimore, Maryland, US

For me...

When: I like specific dates and times so that I can schedule and confirm accordingly
Where: Studio or on location
What Type/genre (which I come to find sometimes need to be accompanied with work samples due to people not knowing the difference between art nude and porn)
Compensation: TF or Compensation
Who: MUA, Stylist, Other models, Other photogs, etc.

Dec 10 12 02:38 pm Link

Model

Gina Dee

Posts: 314

BRONX, New York, US

"I like your look. Lemme know if you wanna shoot sometime."
Is what you DON'T wanna say.

As well I agree with most of the other postings here. And try to say something that tells us you've read our profile. (ie. acknowledge no tfp postings, schedule notifications, requests to bring an escort, etc)

Nobody wants to work with somebody that doesn't pay them any attention.

Dec 10 12 02:59 pm Link

Photographer

John Jebbia

Posts: 27630

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I've gotten extremely selective with what type of information I send in an initial offering. I usually limit it to what, when, where, and what they get.

Call me paranoid, but there are way too many suspect profiles in the Phoenix area and the last thing I want to do is be spilling my ideas to someone other than the llama in the photos.

Dec 10 12 03:02 pm Link

Model

Molly K

Posts: 230

New York, New York, US

For me I like to see all the information that I as the model needs. I do not need to know your lighting techniques etc. I just need to know the basics such as the purpose and basic concept,compensation,date and time , location, styling provided. You can talk to me more about your vision as i am in hair and make up. I don't need the whole philosophy on life and how it pertains to the shoot in the emails in order to decide if i want to say yes or not. We are all busy so it is more efficient to give only the important details and leave the embellishments for another time.

Dec 10 12 04:03 pm Link

Model

angel emily

Posts: 1020

Boston, Massachusetts, US

"Hey, I love your look.  Would you like to shoot?  Take a look at my work and let me know if you'd be interested in working together."

-------------------------------

That's the typical message I get, and it's fine.  Ideas and all that are discussed later.

A few things from this, however:

- If you don't mention pay in your first message, I assume you're asking for trade.

- If I take a look and you have an amazing portfolio, I want images that are like the work showcased -- I don't want to say 'Yeah, let's shoot!!' then hear "Great!  I just got this crazy out-of-the-box idea that's unlike anything I've ever done and I need a guinea pig!"  -- not to say these experiments can't turn out amazing, but more often then not I've been disappointed when I've taken up these offers that just left me wondering 'Why couldn't he shoot me like all his other test models?'

Dec 10 12 05:43 pm Link

Model

P I X I E

Posts: 35329

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Laura UnBound wrote:
We neither want to see "hey, let's shoot" nor ten paragraphs. Cover the W's

Who: you, her, Mua/hair/wardrobe, other models?
What: genre of shoot, content limits, items/wardrobe needed
When: doesn't need to be the exact day and time, but tell us what in the next x time frame is available for you. If it needs to be morning, afternoon or night because of your lighting, if you can ony shoot weekends, etc etc
Where: self explanatory
Why: compensation and intended use of photos


This way she can decide if she likes the idea, decide how far you are from her and what it will take to get to you, see if she's free in that time frame, and decide if what you're offering as compensation is worth it.

/thread

Dec 10 12 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 9517

Santa Barbara, California, US

Kinda goes like this:

Heyyyy, Yer Perty... Can I take your (nekid) Picture  tongue

Dec 10 12 06:05 pm Link

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Model

Koryn

Posts: 36963

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Your profile says that you prefer models to pay you.

Many models are likely to immediately click over to your profile, read that, and assume your message is spam.

Dec 10 12 06:49 pm Link

Photographer

Srefis Limited

Posts: 960

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Art Silva Photography wrote:
Kinda goes like this:

Heyyyy, Yer Perty... Can I take your (nekid) Picture  tongue

You get those messages too huh? And I'm all like "Dude, I'm a photographer not a model- learn to READ!"

Dec 10 12 07:03 pm Link

Photographer

Ricardo Mejia

Posts: 411

Denver, Colorado, US

Cole Morrison wrote:
I am so tired of :
Photog- Wanna shoot?
Model- Yes I like your portfolio
Photog- OK what do you have in mind??

SCREAMS

I get the reverse of that:

Model - I would love to shoot with you!
Me - OK, let's set something up.
Model - What are your ideas?

Dec 10 12 07:12 pm Link

Model

_bri_

Posts: 286

OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US

Well, for me, I just prefer knowing their availability to see if it matches up with my schedule. Also, it's really helpful to know where they plan for this to even happen. In some cases that hasn't been figured out until later on, which could have saved some time, but I'm still new so I'm not really complaining.
Pretty much if they tell me whatever ideas they have in mind, it really helps. Otherwise I'll show up in whatever and hope it's OK.
I just hope they make it a point to read my profile first since I do have limitations.

Dec 10 12 07:43 pm Link

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Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6485

New York, New York, US

I know you asked for models' inputs but this may be helpful.

I shoot only TF, which means that most of my shoots are with relatively inexperienced models.  Frequently their portfolios don't really show them very accurately and in addition, I shoot a fairly wide range of genres and styles, so I may not know what I want to shoot with a specific model until I've met her face to face.  Consequently, my approach is to invite the model to review my portfolios and check with the models in them for references.  I give a rundown of some of the genres/styles I'm looking to shoot, give them a general idea of my limits and ask them to get back to me if they are interested in talking further, basically putting the ball in the model's court.

I do make it clear that I'm only interested in trade, that I'm very open to the model's input and quite willing to shoot what she wants as well as what I want.  I do read the model's bio as well as her sidebar and don't waste time and energy contacting models who don't indicate an interest in the types of things I like to shoot.  I don't reference scheduling since that will clearly be a matter of our mutual convenience once we reach agreement on all the other details.  I send out about 5 to 10 inquiries a week which produces 3 to 5 responses, 2 to 4 preliminary meetings and 1 to 2 successful shoots per week.  My flakes are almost always at the meeting stage, almost never for a scheduled shoot, although, sadly, this does happen.

I don't follow up if there is no reply--I consider it a statement of no interest.  I don't fixate on an individual model because (and please forgive me for saying this ladies) at this stage one model is as good as another since there is no established concept and no "look" that's essential.  That's all dependent on what the model and I agree on in the preliminary meeting.   This approach gives me great flexibility and keeps me about as busy as I want to be.

Dec 10 12 08:44 pm Link

Model

Tracii Taylor

Posts: 2184

Bordentown, New Jersey, US

Babalon Salome wrote:
For the love of God, please include in your first message if you want to shoot TF* or if you are offering a paid shoot.

This.

Dec 12 12 01:43 am Link

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Model

Anna Adrielle

Posts: 18763

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

brief, informative (what do you want to shoot, when, paid or tf, that sort of thing), with correct spelling (preferably big_smile), friendly but professional.

Dec 12 12 02:22 am Link

Photographer

Bradley Studios

Posts: 125

Greenville, South Carolina, US

I usually like to keep the initial message pretty short and just cover the Ws.  I also like to include WHY I'm interested in shooting with them in particular. 

I then end it with asking if they are still interested to let me know and I'll put together some specific ideas in a follow up message.

Dec 12 12 05:15 am Link

Makeup Artist

ArtistryImage

Posts: 2963

Washington, District of Columbia, US

ESPhotos wrote:
How do models prefer to be messaged about shoots?

From the booker(s) at their agency...

Dec 12 12 05:54 am Link

Model

Tiffiney C

Posts: 570

Los Angeles, California, US

Laura UnBound wrote:
We neither want to see "hey, let's shoot" nor ten paragraphs. Cover the W's

Who: you, her, Mua/hair/wardrobe, other models?
What: genre of shoot, content limits, items/wardrobe needed
When: doesn't need to be the exact day and time, but tell us what in the next x time frame is available for you. If it needs to be morning, afternoon or night because of your lighting, if you can ony shoot weekends, etc etc
Where: self explanatory
Why: compensation and intended use of photos


This way she can decide if she likes the idea, decide how far you are from her and what it will take to get to you, see if she's free in that time frame, and decide if what you're offering as compensation is worth it.

Yes!

Dec 12 12 06:03 am Link

Model

Anzhelika Yakimenko

Posts: 540

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, US

Babalon Salome wrote:
For the love of God, please include in your first message if you want to shoot TF* or if you are offering a paid shoot.

^ THIS ^  would be nice!

WHO WHAT WHEN WHERE WHY HOW MUCH

Im pretty easy to communicate:  Call me, text, email me, send a smoke signal, something.  PROPER PLANNING POSITIVELY PREVENTS PERPETUALLY POOR PERFORMANCE.

Dec 12 12 07:35 am Link

Photographer

D S P

Posts: 510

Portland, Oregon, US

Anzhelika Yakimenko wrote:
WHO WHAT WHEN WHERE WHY HOW MUCH

Im pretty easy to communicate:  Call me, text, email me, send a smoke signal, something.  PROPER PLANNING POSITIVELY PREVENTS PERPETUALLY POOR PERFORMANCE.

Yes, you are easy to communicate with. Easier than many local models! See you in the spring!

Dec 12 12 07:42 am Link

Photographer

JohnnyK

Posts: 385

Calabasas, California, US

The third model I shot with gave me excellent advice: put

PAID SHOOT

in the subject.

Dec 12 12 08:54 am Link

Photographer

Supermodel Photographer

Posts: 3309

Oyster Bay, New York, US

ESPhotos wrote:
Hi all,
I was wondering how models prefer to be messaged on here to get them interested in setting up a shoot. When I first started, I sent a generic message asking the model if she wanted to shoot and we would throw around ideas/outfits etc. My success rate was ok but nothing spectacular. A few other photographers told me to explain every detail about an idea...the setting, the model's outfits, the lighting ect. I've been doing that for the past year or so and my success rate for getting models to schedule shoots really hasn't improved. This is for both TF and for shoots where I pay the model.

Does anyone have any other ideas/tips on how to get models to respond to messages? How do models prefer to be approached about doing a shoot? Thanks.

Not to mention this*:

ESPhotos wrote:
Hello all,
I was wondering how other photographers message models on here to get them interested in setting up a shoot. When I first started, I sent a generic message asking the model if she wanted to shoot and we would throw around ideas/outfits etc. My success rate was ok but nothing spectacular. A few other photographers told me to explain every detail about an idea...the setting, the model's outfits, the lighting ect. I've been doing that for the past year or so and my success rate for getting models to schedule shoots really hasn't improved. This is for both TF and for shoots where I pay the model.

Does anyone have any other ideas/tips on how to get models to respond to messages? What seems to work for you? Thanks.

*  at http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … st17807437

Dec 12 12 09:09 am Link

Photographer

Natural Means

Posts: 626

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

So I've been doing it wrong it seems :-(

I've been seeing who like my style first then settling the detail after in principle 'yes id like to shot with David'.

Note to David, more detail and planning in first message.

Thanks this has been a very useful thread :-)

Dec 12 12 10:59 pm Link

Model

Shandra Stark

Posts: 13612

Los Angeles, California, US

Tell me what you want, where and when you want to shoot it, how much you can afford to pay me, and the exact length of the shoot.

Be immediately ready to nail down a date, even if it's months out.

No time for love, Dr. Jones.  I cannot sacrifice the time it takes to go back and forth endlessly.

Dec 13 12 03:02 am Link