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Alyssa Lovelle

Posts: 28

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

I have been looking into modeling for a few months now and recently got signed with a local agency. I am to the crossroads where I am deciding if I want to invest in myself (I'm 20, no freebies for me) and approach a top agency.

Of course there is a margin of doubt before any business venture. I am a very analytical person and as such I am focused on numbers. I know I have an extreme advantage with my 34-24-34 measurements. They are very stable without trying, and I know if I started really taking care if myself I could create a more beautiful shape.

My disadvantage I feel is my 5'8" heighth. 5'8" 1/2 if I measure early in the day. However I have very thin thighs which gives me the illusion if a taller frame.

I know New York is where you want to be signed for what I'm going for in this industry.

The problem? I started drinking coffee waaaay too soon. Haha. Just a half an inch or so and I'd be golden. They always say there are exceptions to the height rules. Would my ratio of measurements be that?

I don't mind taking risks, I just want them to be calculated.

How much of an advantage do these standard measurements actually give an aspiring model?  Thoughts?

Dec 13 12 12:11 pm Link

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Shelbiee Savage

Posts: 126

Gainesville, Florida, US

5'8'' should be no issue at all. There are some Victoria's Secret models that are 5'8''.

Dec 13 12 12:30 pm Link

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Cherrystone

Posts: 36719

Columbus, Ohio, US

Shelbiee Savage wrote:
5'8'' should be no issue at all. There are some Victoria's Secret models that are 5'8''.

Kinda irrelevant to her question of top tied modeling agency.

OP, go read the page at this link, then check into the index for other pages.
If you read it all & take it in, it will answer your questions, and then some.
http://www.newmodels.com/height.html

Dec 13 12 12:35 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6322

New York, New York, US

I'm not a fashion photographer, but from what I've seen and heard your size and age should not be a problem in the smaller markets  but are likely to hold you back for fashion in NYC but not for commercial.

If you do decide to come here, you might want to factor in some selective TF, especially at first.  Call it testing if you like, but the ability to show the New York agencies that New York photographers want to work with you can work to your favor, at least if they are the right photographers, hence the selectivity.  After all, the agencies are not here to develop talent, they're here to market a desireable commodity, which your book should demonstrate.

And, of course, there is a whole world out there in all the markets quite aside from either fashion or commercial, where measurements are merely recommendations, not requirements.  But then agencies are not much of a factor in this world.

All IMHO, as always.

Dec 13 12 12:42 pm Link

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Anna Adrielle

Posts: 18763

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

the only one that can answer if your measurements, specifically height, will be a problem for agencies... is an agency!

just start applying and see what comes up. and don't wait any longer, do it now!

oh, and don't lie about your height when you apply...

Dec 13 12 01:02 pm Link

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LC Mtl

Posts: 3599

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Anna Adrielle wrote:
the only one that can answer if your measurements, specifically height, will be a problem for agencies... is an agency!

just start applying and see what comes up. and don't wait any longer, do it now!

oh, and don't lie about your height when you apply...

+1, and be prepared for a no.

At 5'8'' you have to be amazing to be signed to a top agency.

Good luck!

X.

LC

Dec 13 12 01:28 pm Link

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Marc Damon

Posts: 6562

Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Small Fruit Pits wrote:

Kinda irrelevant to her question of top tied modeling agency.

OP, go read the page at this link, then check into the index for other pages.
If you read it all & take it in, it will answer your questions, and then some.
http://www.newmodels.com/height.html

^^this^^

Dec 13 12 03:01 pm Link

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angel emily

Posts: 1020

Boston, Massachusetts, US

AlyssaNicole wrote:
I started drinking coffee waaaay too soon. Haha.

Does coffee really stunt your growth?

Dec 13 12 03:05 pm Link

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J Jessica

Posts: 2335

Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, US

model emily  wrote:

Does coffee really stunt your growth?

I had chocolate covered coffee beans from the candy store today.
sad
Uh-oh.

Dec 13 12 03:11 pm Link

Photographer

Toto Photo

Posts: 2792

Belmont, California, US

AlyssaNicole wrote:
They always say there are exceptions to the height rules. Would my ratio of measurements be that? I don't mind taking risks, I just want them to be calculated.

I've heard top models are one in 10,000. If that's true, nonstandard models who get jobs over these more qualified models is probably one in 100,000. However why let that stop you, even if I'm off by a factor of ten. Go see for yourself.

AlyssaNicole wrote:
How much of an advantage do these standard measurements actually give an aspiring model?  Thoughts?

My thought is that models meeting the standard measurement will most likely fit more things off the designer's rack than nonstandard models. That's because designers design to a commercial standard, so standard-measurement models have a distinct advantage.

Dec 13 12 03:28 pm Link

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Alyssa Lovelle

Posts: 28

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

model emily  wrote:

Does coffee really stunt your growth?

I'm not really sure. It's just a running joke for me... I'm the only one of my Mormon raised sisters to reject the religion, which started with coffee. All three of my (younger) sisters are now a towering 5'10 - 5'11. My punishment haha wink

Thanks for the feedback and links everyone it is much appreciated.

Dec 13 12 05:05 pm Link

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Maruschke

Posts: 543

Darfield, Canterbury, New Zealand

AlyssaNicole wrote:

I'm not really sure. It's just a running joke for me... I'm the only one of my Mormon raised sisters to reject the religion, which started with coffee. All three of my (younger) sisters are now a towering 5'10 - 5'11. My punishment haha wink

Thanks for the feedback and links everyone it is much appreciated.

Hahaha thats funny big_smile because I started drinking coffee when I was 3years old and I'm only 5.4" damn !!! Lol

Dec 13 12 05:12 pm Link

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Anna Adrielle

Posts: 18763

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

AlyssaNicole wrote:

I'm not really sure. It's just a running joke for me... I'm the only one of my Mormon raised sisters to reject the religion, which started with coffee. All three of my (younger) sisters are now a towering 5'10 - 5'11. My punishment haha wink

Thanks for the feedback and links everyone it is much appreciated.

I started drinking coffee (with loads of milk and sugar) when I was 10, and I'm 6'1 smile. Unless you were drinking 7 cappuccinos a day, I doubt it will have had an effect on you as an adult. My brother has always drank a lot of coffee, and he's 6'5. And my other sister, who never drank it, stopped growing at 5'7. maybe it's just bad luck wink

Dec 14 12 01:52 am Link

Model

ooooo

Posts: 612

Kentaū, Oņtüstik Ķazaķstan, Kazakhstan

NYC is the hardest market for models in the world. To have any chance as a model over there you need to become a really good model before you go there. Your book needs to be so good that it stands out between the books of models signed at the top agencies in NYC. The people who get succesful in NYC usually already booked big campaigns in cities like Milan and Paris before they went to NYC.

I'd recommend starting off with building a really really strong book in your local area and then try NYC.

Dec 24 12 03:33 am Link

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ooooo

Posts: 612

Kentaū, Oņtüstik Ķazaķstan, Kazakhstan

Not sure what lengths they require for women in NYC tho, you'd be tall enough for most markets (Milan and London for example), but in Paris they want taller models. Not sure what they ask for women in NYC.

Dec 24 12 03:36 am Link

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291

Posts: 11911

SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US

AlyssaNicole wrote:
How much of an advantage do these standard measurements actually give an aspiring llama?  Thoughts?

none.  stats are just a singular component in a wide and varied equation.  for those without the stats that's the first part of being removed from that equation.  beyond that for those stat compliant it comes down to a far more important quality, one's look that provides the ability to sell a product or service for clients.

of all the things that go into importance for the agency in selecting those on roster, it's not having nice pictures or perfect stats, it's whether or not the look translates to their client base for getting booked.

Dec 24 12 08:00 am Link

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a raw muse

Posts: 3196

Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

Focus on what makes you exceptional.

Instead of focusing on height or measurements, sell what makes you unique and wear really nice heels to castings. (joke)

I'm not in the fashion world at all, but focus on the art world/ internet modeling side; there, too, is competitive.

Oddly enough I feel like shaving my head was the best decision, because that opened up a lot more jobs for me as an art model, and it's something that not every model has or can pull off.

Consult your agency and get advice on what they think; if possible, go to NYC, meet with top agencies, and get advice from them.

Dec 24 12 08:29 am Link

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NYMPH

Posts: 624

Oakland, California, US

I would suggest focusing on getting a killer port and casting calls. Get your name a little bit out there, show that you're a committed, hard working model with some experience under your belt and get at least a handful of truly stellar shots. It certainly won't hurt anything, and it might give you the leg up you need to overcome your current shortcoming. [kneeslap!]

Dec 24 12 11:35 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 38593

Portland, Oregon, US

I'd get some inversion boots and maybe an inversion backswing thing to help decompress your spine and possibly gain you some additional height wink

Dec 24 12 11:42 pm Link

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JoJo

Posts: 25552

Clearwater, Florida, US

DougBPhoto wrote:
I'd get some inversion boots and maybe an inversion backswing thing to help decompress your spine and possibly gain you some additional height wink

Yes, an inversion table is great for stretching out the spine... and relieving lower back pain.

WalMart sells them at about $150

Dec 25 12 12:31 am Link