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Photographer

Dario Western

Posts: 633

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?  If so, how did you deal with the problem? 

Remember, females can be sexual predators as well - it's just that in society we are more wont to paint the male up as a predator and a female as the victim.

Jan 03 13 05:22 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Dario Western wrote:
Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?

No.

Jan 03 13 05:26 pm Link

Model

Selina Lee

Posts: 75

Scottsdale, Arizona, US

I shot with one photographer who no longer allowed escorts because while shooting, the escort made off with his wallet (which he shouldn't have left out of his pocket anyway) and a few small pieces of equipment. So I guess that may have been a pre-plotted thing between model and escort.

Jan 03 13 05:30 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Selina Lee wrote:
I shot with one photographer who no longer allowed escorts because while shooting, the escort made off with his wallet (which he shouldn't have left out of his pocket anyway) and a few small pieces of equipment. So I guess that may have been a pre-plotted thing between model and escort.

I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

It's going to be less common for a variety of reason, including the simple fact that relatively few males mind being flirted with.

Jan 03 13 05:34 pm Link

Photographer

KMP

Posts: 4822

Houston, Texas, US

Art of the nude wrote:

I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

It's going to be less common for a variety of reason, including the simple fact that relatively few males mind being flirted with.

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Stealing is pretty creepy to me..

Jan 03 13 05:43 pm Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 10310

Santa Ana, California, US

Like 20 years ago, when I would still approach random pretty girls I met to shoot, I would get mildly aggressive, sexually flirty behavior periodically. I wouldn't call it creepy necessarily or an ulterior motive. I just think the girls had difficulty distinguishing a serious photographer from a damn good pick-up tactic.

Jan 03 13 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

TRPn Pics

Posts: 10431

Andrews, North Carolina, US

Art of the nude wrote:

I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

It's going to be less common for a variety of reason, including the simple fact that relatively few males mind being flirted with.

Models flirting with photographers..... yeah right! lol as if even

Jan 03 13 05:47 pm Link

Photographer

intense_puppy

Posts: 864

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

Dario Western wrote:
Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?  If so, how did you deal with the problem? 

Remember, females can be sexual predators as well - it's just that in society we are more wont to paint the male up as a predator and a female as the victim.

Sadly, it's never happened to me.

Jan 03 13 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

Paolo Diavolo

Posts: 8787

Martinez, California, US

Dario Western wrote:
Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry,.....

Photographers can be female too.

I had a female photog fail to pay me, for assistant work.
Then she moved out of town the next week.
Probably why she delayed paying me. She knew she was leaving town, but didnt tell anyone.
Then I found out she also stole some stuff off the set from a wardrobe stylist.

I've only ever had one model leave my set with a pair of jeans that didnt belong to her. Eventually got them back after police became involved.

I hate thieves.

Jan 03 13 06:08 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6308

New York, New York, US

I can't say that I've ever had a model behave inappropriately toward me.  Of course at my age that would be more laughable than lustful.  On the other hand, and maybe again because of my age, I'm pretty safe, just too darned old to be a real problem, I've had several that were loose and teasing in a mildly flirty way.

Maybe the problem is sometimes that we, on both sides of the camera, are so self-consciously serious about ourselves that we've forgotten how to play and have fun while we work.  Then we add to it by repeating rumors ("Never happened to me, of course, but my boyfriend/girlfriend once knew someone who told him/her that , , , ) and of course, people being people, the more juicy and salacious the story, the more likely we are to believe it.  Kinda sad but it's the way people are sometimes.

So any time a beautiful young woman, young enough to be my granddaughter, wants to kid around and tease me, I'm gonna take it in the intent with which it's offered.  After all, I'm too old to fight and too fat to run, so what's left but to enjoy it? wink

Jan 03 13 06:10 pm Link

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Platform Artist

Posts: 157

Chicago, Illinois, US

Dario Western wrote:
Hi all,

Seeing as I do not believe in one-sidedness in this industry, I was wondering if there are any photographers on here who have worked with models who have ulterior motives (both male and female alike)?  If so, how did you deal with the problem? 

Remember, females can be sexual predators as well - it's just that in society we are more wont to paint the male up as a predator and a female as the victim.

not to often

Jan 03 13 06:11 pm Link

Photographer

Marc Damon

Posts: 6562

Biloxi, Mississippi, US

There are photographers/models on MM who are involved, dating, married, etc. To each his/her own. Live and let live.

Me? No, I've never had a model go beyond flirting with me at a shoot.

Jan 03 13 06:22 pm Link

Photographer

Paolo Diavolo

Posts: 8787

Martinez, California, US

Art of the nude wrote:
I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

Once, while shooting for a magazine I had a model ask me to rub baby oil on her legs for her. I thought that was kind of out of line flirty, but I was still happy to help wink even tho it was kind of awkward at the moment.

Jan 03 13 06:23 pm Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 8490

Los Angeles, California, US

I had a situation with a female model that came in to my studio for an interview and brought her boyfriend along. She had called that day wanting to come in, saying that another model (without mentioning a name) had given her my number.

While I was speaking with the girl, I noticed he was looking around without much interest in our conversation, but with more interest as to what was in the studio. At the time, I just wrote it off as normal curiosity.

Three days later (on Thanksgiving Day) my studio was broken into and cameras, lenses, and strobes were stolen.

It was a professional job, they were in the studio less than 5 minutes (according to my alarm company) and even left some false clues (somebody's business card) to throw the police off.

Fortunately, I was insured for 'replacement value' for all the stolen equipment and within a few days had bought new versions of everything that was taken.

Needless to say, I never heard from the 'model' again . . . . It was apparent that her motives had nothing to do with being photographed

KM

Jan 03 13 07:13 pm Link

Photographer

DavidCoward Photography

Posts: 629

Sandy Springs, Georgia, US

I've never had a model behave inappropriately toward me.

What am I doing wrong??

Jan 03 13 07:25 pm Link

Photographer

Shot By Adam

Posts: 5938

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I was shooting a "model" a client picked out in studio once and it turns out her day job (yes, she worked during the day) was she was a stripper. No big deal, but she tried faux hitting on me to try and get me to give her all the photos from the shoot. It was so obviously fake and sounded just like the lines I'm sure she used to lure guys into the VIP room.

And no, she did not get the photos.

Jan 03 13 07:43 pm Link

Photographer

vcmodeling

Posts: 57

Kansas City, Missouri, US

I've had models try to do me on 3 occasions... i feel special.  lol

Jan 03 13 07:48 pm Link

Model

Jordan L Duncan

Posts: 207

Jacksonville, Florida, US

One of my model friends told me about another model she knew who was basically using this photographer we'd worked with on several occasions. It was pretty sad. She was gorgeous and the type to be able to pull out the puppy dog eyes and get pretty much anything she wanted. Basically she was living with her boyfriend, they broke up and he kicked her out, and she knew a photographer with a home studio. She somehow used her... ah... feminine wiles... to get the photographer to put her up for a night or two which turned into a several months long "relationship" in which she received a ton of free photos from being his personal muse, not to mention a free place to live in exchange for... girlfriend-like behavior. And then she up and left him as soon as she got a better offer and then bragged to my friend about it later.

I've heard lots of thief stories too. Especially to do with escorts.

Jan 03 13 08:30 pm Link

Model

Aaliyah Love

Posts: 113

Los Angeles, California, US

TRPn Pics wrote:

Models flirting with photographers..... yeah right! lol as if even

They're WISHING.. lol

Jan 03 13 08:45 pm Link

Photographer

rp_photo

Posts: 42494

Houston, Texas, US

A male model was quite obviously turned on sexually by the act of nude modeling.

Another male model was shady and possibly trying to set me up, which didn't occur to me until later.

A female model asked me if I'd even been with a Black woman, then asked if would show her "my thing". The shoot was on 4/1, so it was either an attempt at an April fool's joke or somehow the shoot was a turn-on (it was a fully-clothed outdoor shoot).

None of these situations dire enough to require ending the shoot of taking other actions.

Jan 03 13 08:57 pm Link

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Photographer

GPS Studio Services

Posts: 36264

San Francisco, California, US

Art of the nude wrote:
I think he's specifically asking about flirty / creepy behavior though.

I see your point, but for the record, stealing from me seems pretty creepy.

Jan 03 13 09:02 pm Link

Photographer

Ed Woodson Photography

Posts: 2644

Savannah, Georgia, US

Let me think about this one for a bit and I'll get back to you.....

thinking.....


thinking.....


thinking.....


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Nope....  Don't think so.

Jan 03 13 09:13 pm Link

Model

Axana

Posts: 126

Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

I've had model dudes here ask me if I wanted to do a shoot with them like we're "both in love" in PM's......not just some shoot but a sexy shoot.

It usually starts as a compliment and a thank you but as the conversation goes, the motives appear clearer and clearer

Jan 03 13 10:19 pm Link

Photographer

strangeness

Posts: 21

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

No, but I do have a rich fantasy life.

Jan 03 13 10:23 pm Link

Photographer

PTPhotoUT

Posts: 1961

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

I've been contacted by at least 4 "models" here who were prostitutes. Their profiles were already taken down by the time I knew what was going on.

Jan 03 13 10:24 pm Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8612

Berkeley, California, US

OP, I think that, overall, this didn't go over as you'd wished.

Perhaps there is more to it than the "one-sidedness" of the industry.

Jan 03 13 10:37 pm Link

Photographer

Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

Dear Penthouse - I never thought being a photographer would get me anywhere, and I always thought the letters were take, but you wouldn't believe what happened last week...

Jan 03 13 10:39 pm Link

Model

Wynd Mulysa

Posts: 8612

Berkeley, California, US

Sophistocles wrote:
Dear Penthouse - I never thought being a photographer would get me anywhere, and I always thought the letters were fake, but you wouldn't believe what happened last week...

lol.

Jan 03 13 10:40 pm Link

Photographer

TomFRohwer

Posts: 691

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Dario Western wrote:
Remember, females can be sexual predators as well

I hope so... ;-)

Ok, earnestly - of course women can be molesters or even rapists. But I think false accusation of being molested by a (male) photographer is a somewhat greater risk in this context.

Jan 04 13 01:57 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Yes.

About 14 years ago I had a model book me for a portfolio-building shoot up to nude/permissive-nude.
I didn't realise it at the time but she was using the shoot as a pretext to 'get back' at her ex...

I ended up dating her, though it all went horribly wrong in the end.

Shot By Adam wrote:
I was shooting a "model" a client picked out in studio once and it turns out her day job (yes, she worked during the day) was she was a stripper. No big deal...

Quite a few models around here work as 'exotic dancers' in the local clubs... At least I know there are no issues with nudity and hanging upside-down on scaffolding poles keeps them fit and toned if nothing else...

Jan 04 13 02:04 am Link

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Model

Damianne

Posts: 15975

Austin, Texas, US

One need only read all the comments that this thread will invariably get saying "I WISH models would hit on me, I need some ass" or something similar to realize that the premise here isn't really a societal inaccuracy.

Jan 04 13 02:21 am Link

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devpics

Posts: 834

Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

There was one llama here who would offer a really low rate then at the shoot quote a much higher one for which she'd do "anything".....


..which actually has a certain logic to it as is she'd mentioned that openly on MM she'd attract every sleazebag going and/or price herself out of the market with other photogs, whereas her approach allowed her to size up and see if they'd be worth doing it with

Jan 04 13 02:46 am Link

Model

Cwen

Posts: 1691

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Axana wrote:
I've had model dudes here ask me if I wanted to do a shoot with them like we're "both in love" in PM's......not just some shoot but a sexy shoot.

It usually starts as a compliment and a thank you but as the conversation goes, the motives appear clearer and clearer

As a model, I've been approached by other models without the purest intentions. I agreed to do a shoot with a male model that failed to tell me the photographer was interested in shooting actual sex -- not just chill art nudes out in nature. Thankfully that was cleared up well in advance. But it normally doesn't get past messages asking for shitty makeout couples shoots that I'm definitely not interested in doing.

Jan 04 13 04:15 am Link

Photographer

Classic_Reflections

Posts: 442

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Jordan L Duncan wrote:
She somehow used her... ah... feminine wiles... to get the photographer to put her up for a night or two which turned into a several months long "relationship" in which she received a ton of free photos from being his personal muse, not to mention a free place to live in exchange for... girlfriend-like behavior.

Sounds like they both got what they wanted. More power to 'em.

Over the years I've had a few that were "flirty", but nothing physically inappropriate. The worst would probably be a model that showed up for a TF shoot and then asked about the compensation, basically trying to get cash when the only offer was for images. The door is right there underneath the big red "exit" sign.

Jan 04 13 05:05 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22605

Salem, Oregon, US

my llamas have all been very professional, even the ones who also work as strippers. sometimes i get a hug.

Jan 04 13 09:21 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22605

Salem, Oregon, US

isn't that part of the human condition? wanting to be desirable, to be desired. of course if people were honest i imagine some of the sex that takes place is more based on strategy (like i need a place to stay for a bit) than love. still, i've never had bad sex (well, one girl used too much teeth and i was a bit sore the next day).

Damianne wrote:
One need only read all the comments that this thread will invariably get saying "I WISH models would hit on me, I need some ass" or something similar to realize that the premise here isn't really a societal inaccuracy.

Jan 04 13 09:23 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Every woman who is nude in front of me flirts with me.

Of course, the setting is always a strip club.

And I'm only a customer.

smile

Jan 04 13 09:30 am Link

Photographer

Good Egg Productions

Posts: 15705

Orlando, Florida, US

I believe that the models do not arrive with ulterior motives.

They may form during the shoot and may be realized after the shoot, but I don't believe that they are there before.

But that's only because I don't make any claims that I can further anyone's career.  Perhaps if I were Stephen Wayda or Arny Freytag, I would have a different perspective to draw from.

Jan 04 13 09:37 am Link

Photographer

Bravo Magic Images

Posts: 765

Temple City, California, US

I do not consider it a sort of a pick up but i have had models that love my work and later end up loveing me. It just becomes a mutal thing but not on the set

Jan 04 13 09:41 am Link

Photographer

Sourcelight Photography

Posts: 268

Boise City, Idaho, US

Rays Fine Art wrote:
... So any time a beautiful young woman, young enough to be my granddaughter, wants to kid around and tease me, I'm gonna take it in the intent with which it's offered.  After all, I'm too old to fight and too fat to run, so what's left but to enjoy it? wink

This.  Sigh.

Jan 04 13 09:46 am Link