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KFM Designs

Posts: 685

Flagstaff, Arizona, US

How many here would do it!

Jan 08 13 04:17 pm Link

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-JAY-

Posts: 6689

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

KFM Designs wrote:
How many here would do it!

Chicken Pot Pie? Love that stuff.

Jan 08 13 04:19 pm Link

Photographer

PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 4603

Jacksonville, Florida, US

-JAY- wrote:

Chicken Pot Pie? Love that stuff.

I'm in tongue

Jan 08 13 04:26 pm Link

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Sans Cloth

Posts: 153

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Communist Party of the Philippines?

Jan 08 13 04:31 pm Link

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-JAY-

Posts: 6689

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I think he means Castrate Photographers' Penises



Fuck. That.

Jan 08 13 04:33 pm Link

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Kev Lawson

Posts: 7806

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

oops, I think I time warped into SF2

Jan 08 13 04:34 pm Link

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Raoul Isidro Images

Posts: 6280

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Do you love riddles?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/09/Gorshinriddler.JPG/220px-Gorshinriddler.JPG

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Jan 08 13 04:34 pm Link

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Supermodel Photographer

Posts: 3309

Oyster Bay, New York, US

Jan 08 13 04:36 pm Link

Photographer

KFM Designs

Posts: 685

Flagstaff, Arizona, US

WOW! OK

How about Certified Professional Photographer!

Jan 08 13 04:38 pm Link

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-JAY-

Posts: 6689

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Jan 08 13 04:41 pm Link

Photographer

PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 4603

Jacksonville, Florida, US

KFM Designs wrote:
WOW! OK

How about Certified Professional Photographer!

http://certifiedphotographer.com/what-is-certification/ .... this may help clarify

Jan 08 13 04:43 pm Link

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Good Egg Productions

Posts: 15702

Orlando, Florida, US

KFM Designs wrote:
WOW! OK

How about Certified Professional Photographer!

It's only important to people trying to fool people into thinking they're legit.


Honestly.... how does a certification affect my ability to take a photo?

Jan 08 13 04:46 pm Link

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-JAY-

Posts: 6689

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Good Egg Productions wrote:

It's only important to people trying to fool people into thinking they're legit.


Honestly.... how does a certification affect my ability to take a photo?

I'm going to coach my 6 year old nephew into getting his certification. The LOLs alone will be worth the $200.

Jan 08 13 04:49 pm Link

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Raoul Isidro Images

Posts: 6280

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

KFM Designs wrote:
How many here would do it!

If photography is your main career, yes do it.

If photography is not your main career, you got a better job that brings in the dough, maybe not. Concentrate on your main job first.

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Jan 08 13 04:51 pm Link

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me voy

Posts: 1092

Amherst, Massachusetts, US

Good Egg Productions wrote:

It's only important to people trying to fool people into thinking they're legit.


Honestly.... how does a certification affect my ability to take a photo?

It may not affect your ability to take a photo but it may keep you from getting hired at some companies as staff photographer even if you have a killer portfolio.

I applied for a staff photographer position at a local newspaper and did not get the job. They hired someone with a degree. They actually told me during the interview to come back once I get a degree in something. A Certificate is probably less than a B.A. and a Masters but it is something.

Jan 08 13 04:55 pm Link

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KFM Designs

Posts: 685

Flagstaff, Arizona, US

-JAY- wrote:

I'm going to coach my 6 year old nephew into getting his certification. The LOLs alone will be worth the $200.

If you nephew passes that test at 6 or even 13 I would give my my camera.

Jan 08 13 05:00 pm Link

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KMP

Posts: 4822

Houston, Texas, US

KFM Designs wrote:
How many here would do it!

I pronounce myself KING of all Certified Professional Photographers..

For a mere non-refundable fee of, $68.99 I will review your portfolio and let you know if you're in....


EDIT......Damn. not ONE taker sad

Jan 08 13 05:20 pm Link

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KMP

Posts: 4822

Houston, Texas, US

Good Egg Productions wrote:

It's only important to people trying to fool people into thinking they're legit.


Honestly.... how does a certification affect my ability to take a photo?

Kinda like being a member of BBB?   
Commercially it means squat..

Jan 08 13 05:21 pm Link

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GER Photography

Posts: 7924

Imperial, California, US

KFM Designs wrote:
WOW! OK

How about Certified Professional Photographer!

Do they have a secret handshake and badges??!!:-)))))

Jan 08 13 05:28 pm Link

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AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12824

Atlanta, Georgia, US

me voy wrote:
It may not affect your ability to take a photo but it may keep you from getting hired at some companies as staff photographer even if you have a killer portfolio.

I applied for a staff photographer position at a local newspaper and did not get the job. They hired someone with a degree. They actually told me during the interview to come back once I get a degree in something. A Certificate is probably less than a B.A. and a Masters but it is something.

Or it's worth nothing as we have seen in other professions.  Nope if a companies wants a BA they are not going to settle for a anything else.  We are not talking about creative merit or skill, we are talking about a checkbox on an HR form or even worse a computerized system that will never even forward your resume.

Waste of time and money, unless as other have suggested you are looking to add something to a retail/consumer business.  Then again I suspect someone would attract more consumers trying to pass off paparazi celeb shots as portraits lol

Jan 08 13 05:32 pm Link

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PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 4603

Jacksonville, Florida, US

George Ruge wrote:

Do they have a secret handshake and badges??!!:-)))))

SSSSHHH, we can't tell you that tongue

Jan 08 13 05:33 pm Link

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1KWS

Posts: 20

Carterville, Illinois, US

I would like to do it.  I have been reading through Photography 10th edition by London.  Doing some of the online questions from the previous editions.  Once I think I am good to go on the previous editions I will pay to do the 10th edition questions.  I figure if I am going to pay the money to declaire my canidacy I want to be ready for to test.  The reason I do want to become certified is mainly to be able to use it in ads. I know that it more than likely won't change my photography, but with so many people with cameras, it may be one thing that that may make a potential client pick me over someone else and justify them paying my higher prices.

Jan 08 13 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY

Posts: 4603

Jacksonville, Florida, US

I applied for a staff photographer position at a local newspaper and did not get the job. They hired someone with a degree. They actually told me during the interview to come back once I get a degree in something. A Certificate is probably less than a B.A. and a Masters but it is something.
^^^previous post^^^

^^^^  but they told you get a degree !, not a "pay for and be recognized certificate" big difference.

Jan 08 13 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

KFM Designs

Posts: 685

Flagstaff, Arizona, US

George Ruge wrote:

Do they have a secret handshake and badges??!!:-)))))

Nope knowledge and a lot of help!

Pretty amazed here by the responses!

Jan 08 13 05:42 pm Link

Photographer

KFM Designs

Posts: 685

Flagstaff, Arizona, US

PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
I applied for a staff photographer position at a local newspaper and did not get the job. They hired someone with a degree. They actually told me during the interview to come back once I get a degree in something. A Certificate is probably less than a B.A. and a Masters but it is something.
^^^previous post^^^

^^^^  but they told you get a degree !, not a "pay for and be recognized certificate" big difference.

The process you go through for the certification for me anyway is a great refresher course. 

In phoenix the gentleman that is teaching it charges 10.00 for materials and you have three classes.

I thought it was pretty cool.

Jan 08 13 05:45 pm Link

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Good Egg Productions

Posts: 15702

Orlando, Florida, US

me voy wrote:

It may not affect your ability to take a photo but it may keep you from getting hired at some companies as staff photographer even if you have a killer portfolio.

I applied for a staff photographer position at a local newspaper and did not get the job. They hired someone with a degree. They actually told me during the interview to come back once I get a degree in something. A Certificate is probably less than a B.A. and a Masters but it is something.

The bolded part of your statement is the important part.  Something.  Anything.  Having a degree says more about your ability to accomplish things than what your fancy parchment says.

Jan 08 13 05:55 pm Link

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MelissaAnn

Posts: 3955

Seattle, Washington, US

It's probably a great photography refresher for those who need it, but the title itself means nothing.   

If I were going to hire an artist to do a painting of me, I wouldn't hire them based on their education, or title.  I would hire them based on the actual quality of their work, which could easily be seen.  Same goes for hiring a photographer.  Photography is an art in itself, and formal education doesn't necessarily make for a better photographer/artist.   

There are so many talented self-taught photographers who do much better work than a lot of those who have gone to "photography school."  Good photographers get hired based on the actual quality of their work, not their title...so the CPP title says nothing about the actual skill of the photographer......which means it's probably not really worth getting (from a business standpoint).

Jan 08 13 06:08 pm Link

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Aaron Lewis Photography

Posts: 5083

Catskill, New York, US

Good Egg Productions wrote:
It's only important to people trying to fool people into thinking they're legit.


Honestly.... how does a certification affect my ability to take a photo?

I know it's silly but you'd be surprised at how many people make a huge deal out of certificates. Not only in this industry but others as well.

As an example, we have a local photographer who's been around for years, has awards for just about everything but all I hear about is I'm going to xyz photographer because he's got certifications.

May sound silly but I bet in would increase the bottom line.

Jan 08 13 08:42 pm Link

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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 18018

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
I know it's silly but you'd be surprised at how many people make a huge deal out of certificates....

Does anyone remember that photographer from Wisconsin that would make a big deal out of the 'award' for photography that he 'won'?

EVERYONE that ever applied for the photography contest (and people that the company recruited) all were 'award winners', and if you wanted to get a trophy to commemorate 'your accomplishment' all you had to do was send $79.95.

He was told this and he still didn't care.  He was adament that his work was great because he won the award.

More about this scam can be found on one of these links
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22pict … =firefox-a

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A similar type of scam is IFPO. http://www.aipress.com/
They'll certify you as a photographer and sell you worthless 'official' press passes and id cards.

Considering IFPO has to do with photography, which is a major portion of graphic arts... I wonder why their web page looks so cheesy and amateur?  Did they hire an IFPO certified web designer to make it for 'em?

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I've had certificates from recognized Photography institutions (ie: PMA) and even when applying for a job with companies that were PMA members, they didn't give 2 $hits about the certification that I received  (and believe me, this one wasn't easy to get nor was it given out to everyone).

Many people that are PPA members say the same thing about their awards and certificates.

So if the general public or employer doesn't give a rats ass about certification from a respected organization, why would they give a damn if you purchased a certificate from some fake sheepskin printing mill?

Jan 08 13 09:24 pm Link

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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 18018

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

The same company that I mentioned above (where everyone wins a trophy) also runs the following scam as well:


http://blog.photoshelter.com/2011/02/4- … ographers/

3) The Fake (or Bad) Photo Contest

How it works:
A photographer enters a photo contest that sounds like it comes from a very legitimate organization. There is usually a cash prize for first place, and even some money for second place. The biggest benefit, though, is that all the winners get published in a book that is sold in book stores all over the world! A photographer just starting out could use this type of exposure, so they send in their images and hope for the best.

Soon after, they receive a notice that they won 2nd or 3rd place, and their photo(s) will be featured in the book! Excellent! The notice also says that they would like to include the photographer’s biography in the book — for an additional fee of about $40. And, of course, they will want to order a copy of the book – which could cost as much as $100.

The photographer orders the book and waits. And waits. Eventually the book arrives, and this is when the photographer realizes that he/she did indeed win a 2nd or 3rd place — along with 100 or so other people. Basically, everyone who enters is a “winner.”

This type of activity is not illegal – it’s actually a clever (and sneaky) way to sell books. You are not required to buy the book, but they prey on a photographer’s vanity and pride to sell books to a captive audience.

What about those cash prizes they talk about? They may actually be making a real payment to the only person to win a first place in the book, but instead of cash, second place winners may end up receiving a commemorative coin in the mail that they claim is worth the amount of money originally stated previously.

Another variation of this focuses on parents, who can pay a $20 fee and enter a photo of their baby into a contest where winners will be published in a book of “America’s Most Beautiful Babies.” All entrants are “winners” and almost all of the entrants end up buying the book. One such contest boasts 2.8 million baby photos entered since they started in 2006. That means they’ve pulled in $56 million dollars in entry fees alone!

Still another variation happens when the company finds one of your photos online, and alerts you via email that your image has been selected to be included in a high-quality book. If you respond, they’ll ask for a high-resolution version of the image so it can be reproduced properly. Then they make a sales pitch, where you can buy this book.

When the book comes, and you look closely, you may see that the page has been glued in place – and the only version of this book with your photo is the one you purchased.

Again, what these companies are doing here is not illegal – but in my opinion, it’s very sketchy and deceptive. For this reason, I have decided not to mention the names of these organizations.

Jan 08 13 09:36 pm Link

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My name is Frank

Posts: 554

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

-JAY- wrote:

I'm going to coach my 6 year old nephew into getting his certification. The LOLs alone will be worth the $200.

This +1

Jan 09 13 01:12 am Link

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fullmetalphotographer

Posts: 2784

Fresno, California, US

KFM Designs wrote:
WOW! OK

How about Certified Professional Photographer!

I went the college route, which is pretty much standard in my photo profession (photojournalism & commercial art). I at least came out with a degree, which can be used in the real world. But what is the value of Certified Professional Photographer other than some sort of a personal mark of achievement? I am assuming we are talking about about PPA. If we are talking the PPA maybe 1 out of 10 photographers have heard of it. But no one in the real world has heard of PPA. In central California PPA has all but joined the dinosaur in extinction.

So what is the use of CCP. I could see it maybe if it was state requirement for a weddings but other wise how do you regulate art.

Jan 09 13 02:07 am Link

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Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

KFM Designs wrote:
How many here would do it!

What are you talking about..  ?????

Jan 09 13 02:12 am Link

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4point0

Posts: 687

Los Angeles, California, US

me voy wrote:
I applied for a staff photographer position at a local newspaper and did not get the job. They hired someone with a degree. They actually told me during the interview to come back once I get a degree in something. A Certificate is probably less than a B.A. and a Masters but it is something.

Curious: Had you worked for a newspaper prior to that?

Jan 09 13 08:53 am Link

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Downtown Pro Photo

Posts: 1556

Crystal Lake, Illinois, US

I got my cpp a few years ago.  Did it make me a better photographer? No.    Did I magically get a better understanding of everything photo related? No.

But am I now able to point out to potential clients that I have passed a testing program of my skills and hold a certificate that less than 4% of photographers have done?  Yes.
In today's world people don't know good work if it hit them in the face.  If you know nothing about construction, can you tell if something is well made just by looking at it?  That shiny car that looks nice can be a total piece of shit in actuality.  But if we look at a Consumer Report study telling us if it's good or not then we know whether or not to buy it.
By having a cpp (or MPhotog, MA, Cr or any other title) after you name and being able to market it you show them that you've got proof of quality.  It doesn't matter if the guy down the street is better but without the awards, the perception from your client is that you're better.  And in the end what matters is your ability to feed yourself.

It is strictly a marketing tool, same as any other.  When you go into a restaurant and see your waiter is the employee of the month, you feel better knowing you have the best serving you.  When my clients see my certificates and awards hanging on the wall, they feel better knowing that others who know all about the job I do have given me praise.

Since I got my cpp and started PPA print competition there has been a good change in business.  I now charge 3x what I used to, don't get any complaints or negotiations for pricing and clients second guessing design work or retouching has completely disappeared.  And I am getting more bookings.  Why?  Because their perception changes from "He's just a photo guy" to "Well, with all those shiny things on the wall, he knows more than I do.  So I trust him more than myself on this."

Jan 09 13 10:18 am Link

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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 18018

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Downtown Pro Photo wrote:
I got my cpp a few years ago.  Did it make me a better photographer? No.    Did I magically get a better understanding of everything photo related? No.

But am I now able to point out to potential clients that I have passed a testing program of my skills and hold a certificate that less than 4% of photographers have done?  Yes...

.... "He's just a photo guy" to "Well, with all those shiny things on the wall, he knows more than I do.  So I trust him more than myself on this."

Couldn't you just make up some sort of certificates and buy some trophies to get the same effect?  You'll save some money by cutting out the middleman.

Jan 09 13 10:24 am Link

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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 18018

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I used to work in a regular job with someone that was a very accomplished technical photographer.  When I told him I did photography as a sideline he thought I was full of crap.  He never bothered to check out any of my work or anything.  He just gave me his opinion based on the little he knew about me.

In 1997 I left that company and went back into TV post production.  At the same time I picked up a side gig as an aerial photographer, going up in helicopters and airplanes several days per week.

When he heard that, all of the sudden I became 'legitimate'... a real photographer.

Why?  Because in his opinion, if someone is paying $500/hr for the helicopter you're riding in, you've gotta be good!

To me the reality is that aerial photography is pretty much the easiest type of work to do.  There's no lighting to deal with.  No moody models.  No need to even focus (your lens focus will be set to infiinity the whole time).  It really is as close to being 'point and shoot' as you can get!

Now that same guy recommends me to anyone he knows that needs portraits or aerial work.

Jan 09 13 10:35 am Link

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M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Downtown Pro Photo wrote:
By having a cpp (or MPhotog, MA, Cr or any other title) after you name and being able to market it you show them that you've got proof of quality.

I think you're confusing proficiency with quality. Having a certificate doesn't document that you will produce quality work, it only documents that you've passed a certain level of proficiency in that area.

As far as the perception to a lay person I'd probably agree that a title may be impressive to the general public who doesn't know better. And if that's your target market, it may boost business.

I can also say for a fact that those in the industry who do know better (Creative/Art/Photo Directors) don't view a Certificate in that same way. Some view it as unnecessary and others even view it in a more negative light.

On a similar note, I used to be involved in radio. Whenever someone would apply for an on-air position and listed on their resume that they had a Certificate from one of those broadcasting schools, that resume was automatically tossed.

Jan 09 13 10:35 am Link

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Hero Foto

Posts: 878

Phoenix, Arizona, US

SayCheeZ!  wrote:

Couldn't you just make up some sort of certificates and buy some trophies to get the same effect?  You'll save some money by cutting out the middleman.

exactly what I was thinking ... worked in the awards industry for a few years, and basically it all boils down to trinkets and trash ... but it WORKS ... boggles the mind ...

Jan 09 13 10:40 am Link

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SayCheeZ!

Posts: 18018

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I can also say for a fact that those in the industry who do know better (Creative/Art/Photo Directors) don't view a Certificate in that same way. Some view it as unnecessary and others even view it in a more negative light.

I think anyone that's truly in the business would immediately think twice about hiring someone that's holding an IFPO or CPP certificate, or even stating that they're a 'reporter' or 'photojournalist' for "Examiner.com".

All of those entities are simply set up so that any and all 'wannabees' can pretend that they're official in some capacity or another.

Jan 09 13 10:45 am Link