modeled wrote:
It's certainly strange.  The number of days it's been below 60 here I could count on possibly one hand but definitely 2.

It's the dead of winter, and I've been hearing birds chirping here in NYC.  That's strange, too.  They're supposed to fly south when it gets cold. 

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:

It's the dead of winter, and I've been hearing birds chirping here in NYC.  That's strange, too.  They're supposed to fly south when it gets cold. 

So you would rather have sub freezing days for 45 days straight and a string of snowstorms?

Chris Rifkin wrote:

So you would rather have sub freezing days for 45 days straight and a string of snowstorms?

No.

Chris Rifkin wrote:
So you would rather have sub freezing days for 45 days straight and a string of snowstorms?

What's nice for us - less freezing your butt off in winter - is devastating for people living south of the equator, which is where almost all humans living in severe poverty live.

Global warming will kill these fellow humans by the millions every year.

Russian Katarina wrote:

What's nice for us - less freezing your butt off in winter - is devastating for people living south of the equator, which is where almost all humans living in severe poverty live.

Global warming will kill these fellow humans by the millions every year.

And an "ice age" type event would probably wipe out at least half the world's population in less than 10 years....all it would take is for one of the many ticking time bombs on the planet to blow off at a VEI 8 Yellowstone style to do such a thing....we as a species were almost completely exterminated 73,000 years ago when Toba erupted.
Even a relatively "minor VEI 7 eruption,which are much more common that VEI 8's are,could so severely cool the climate temporarily that it would cause the worst worldwide famine in history..
Year without summer when Tambora erupted in the early 1800's is the latest example...

You can still grow and raise food when it gets warmer,albeit many of the food belts move around...but you would also get more year round climates to grow food though.
You can't frow food when its too cold

Chris Rifkin wrote:

And an "ice age" type event would probably wipe out at least half the world's population in less than 10 years....all it would take is for one of the many ticking time bombs on the planet to blow off at a VEI 8 Yellowstone style to do such a thing....we as a species were almost completely exterminated 73,000 years ago when Toba erupted.
Even a relatively "minor VEI 7 eruption,which are much more common that VEI 8's are,could so severely cool the climate temporarily that it would cause the worst worldwide famine in history..
Year without summer when Tambora erupted in the early 1800's is the latest example...

You can still grow and raise food when it gets warmer,albeit many of the food belts move around...but you would also get more year round climates to grow food though.
You can't frow food when its too cold

The caldera in Yellowstone is definitely long overdue...

Chris Rifkin wrote:

And an "ice age" type event would probably wipe out at least half the world's population in less than 10 years....all it would take is for one of the many ticking time bombs on the planet to blow off at a VEI 8 Yellowstone style to do such a thing....we as a species were almost completely exterminated 73,000 years ago when Toba erupted.
Even a relatively "minor VEI 7 eruption,which are much more common that VEI 8's are,could so severely cool the climate temporarily that it would cause the worst worldwide famine in history..
Year without summer when Tambora erupted in the early 1800's is the latest example...

You can still grow and raise food when it gets warmer,albeit many of the food belts move around...but you would also get more year round climates to grow food though.
You can't frow food when its too cold

Sir, just no. Logical fallacies like....

Ok, so the people who are noting the extremely warm temperatures and attributing them to global warming are NOT advocating for subzero temperatures and blizzards. Please...

Digital Photo PLUS wrote:
Deniers will deny.

This.

Digital Photo PLUS wrote:
Deniers will deny.

I take my cues from Milli Vanilli. 

Blame it on the rain.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
I posted this in OT rather than SB because there is nothing to dispute and I make no claims...

The "dispute" arises from what's the cause and what can be done about it, if anything.
The Earth's history is filled with periods of warming and periods of cooling. Being forced to pay any "carbon tax" will do nothing but confiscate more of my money to fuel goverments' wasteful spending, not reverse any so-called trends of warming...

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
"2012 was the warmest year on record in the contiguous United States, according to scientists with The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."

Also:

"July [2012] was the hottest month ever on record in the contiguous U.S."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 … treme?lite

I posted this in OT rather than SB because there is nothing to dispute and I make no claims.  Warmest year ever and warmest month ever. Period.

...Ever?  Whatever!

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
"2012 was the warmest year on record in the contiguous United States, according to scientists with The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."

Also:

"July [2012] was the hottest month ever on record in the contiguous U.S."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 … treme?lite

I posted this in OT rather than SB because there is nothing to dispute and I make no claims.  Warmest year ever and warmest month ever. Period.

Was July the warmest month or the hottest month? The difference is whether you look at the daily high temperatures or the daily average temperatures. If you go by the high temperature then July 2012 wasn't the hottest month on record. If you look at the hottest months for each state most were set in 1936 I believe.

Here's the comparison from NOAA data:





Notice how many more states set records for the hottest month ever in 1936.

What's also interesting is that if you look at the 60 month average then the current period is only the 11th warmest on record for the US.

And since the continental US only accounts for 2% of the world's land area a record year doesn't mean anything globally. Globally this year came in at ~0.53C which isn't a record or remarkable as seen in this graph:

JJMiller wrote:
I live in Western NY, an area renowned for it's brutal winters- it's supposed to get up to 60 this weekend. It was 50 today. Last year I didn't even touch a snow shovel. It's nice, but it's also creepy-wrong.

Chicago either set or is about to set a record for most snowless days. Here in San Diego we're having the chilliest winter in at least 6 years maybe longer. I'd say "cold" but that's relative. A "cold" winter day in San Diego means it doesn't hit 60 degrees

Lows could be in the high 30's this weekend. That hasn't happened since 2007. But then San Diego has only had a low temp below freezing about 5 times in the last 150 years.

Instinct Images wrote:
There's nothing controversial about data unless you try to mislead people with it such as claiming a month was the "hottest" when, in fact, it wasn't the hottest.

If yesterday had a high temperature of 110 degrees and the average temperature for the day of 92 and today had a high temperature of 105 degrees with an average temperature of 95 you wouldn't say today was "hotter" would you? I know I wouldn't!

You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.

Look at the two charts I posted above and tell me which year had hotter temps over a wider area. Many states were signficantly hotter in 1936 than in 2012 during July.

Here's a chart that shows the high temperature, low temperature, and average temperature for every July in the record. It clearly demonstrates what I'm trying to explain to you.



Since 1936 low temperatures have risen partly due to the urban heat island effect. Larger cities have more asphalt and concrete and that retains more heat keep temps from dropping as much as they did previously.

Which year was "warmer" or "hotter" also depends on which network of stations one choses:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/08/a … e-network/

and it also depends on when you look at the data since the past is constantly being "adjusted" downward which makes any warming to look more pronounced. In other words, before 1999 if you looked at the temperature record for 1936 it was warmer than it is if it you look at it today. Strange but true.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012 … peratures/

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2012/08/jul … -doubt-it/

Lots of ways to look at the data.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.

Instinct Images wrote:
Look at the two charts I posted above and tell me which year had hotter temps over a wider area. Many states were signficantly hotter in 1936 than in 2012 during July.

I take it that's a yes.  It's the epitome of non-science to claim to know what motivates others, imo.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.

I take it that's a yes.  It's the epitome of non-science to claim to know what motivates others, imo.

I don't know if that's the goal of NOAA scientists but then I doubt a scientist writes the press release. I do know that the impact of the press release is misleading people into believing it was hotter (inferring higher temperatures not high average temperatures) in 2012 than in 1936.

Are you aware of the adjustments made to the data and how it effects which year is "hottest" and also the trend?

If not you might want to check out this blog post. The data is public so you can verify the claims made for yourself.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012 … peratures/

SKPhoto wrote:
It's currently 37 here in sunny California.

It's expected to hit 32 in San Jose by the weekend.
Even colder in surrounding areas.

Black ice warnings in some areas.

Heard the guy on the radio say San Jose and area could break coldest temp since records have been kept back to the 19th century.



Warm and sunny California.

On December 22-23, 1990, San Jose recorded a low of 19 degrees, and that wasn't the lowest ever.  Your problems with factual data might be the result of the sources of information that you rely upon.

Black ice warnings "in some areas" is typical in January, especially with elevation and wind patterns.  I lived in California for 15 years and I saw snow in Sacramento.  Rare, but it happens.  The regional fluctuations are not the point though.  The point is that global mean temperatures are rising, and that is well documented.