Forums > Photography Talk > Why I Don't Shoot for Pay

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

....nobody's ever offered.

lol

Couldn't resist, I wanted a thread with the title.

Jan 12 13 06:12 am Link

Model

Lynn Elizabeth

Posts: 1336

Coral Springs, Florida, US

It made me giggle!! Good one!

Jan 12 13 06:14 am Link

Photographer

Marc Damon

Posts: 6562

Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Lynn Elizabeth wrote:
It made me giggle!! Good one!

Yep!

Certainly your work is worthy of being paid. Have you ever asked a model or a business for money? I bet you could get it!

Jan 12 13 06:18 am Link

Photographer

Caveman Creations

Posts: 580

Fort Worth, Texas, US

Had me going! LOL I was expecting to see some long, drawn out, explanation about art or something. Good one! I needed that before this shoot today. Later!

Jan 12 13 06:22 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

Marc Damon wrote:

Yep!

Certainly your work is worthy of being paid. Have you ever asked a model or a business for money? I bet you could get it!

Thank you Marc!

In truth I have been approached and offered a paid shoot once from a business.. I don't feel my photography is good enough to accept payment for though, and it makes me feel awkward.

Jan 12 13 06:22 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

Caveman Creations wrote:
Had me going! LOL I was expecting to see some long, drawn out, explanation about art or something. Good one! I needed that before this shoot today. Later!

wink

Enjoy your shoot. We expect pics!

Jan 12 13 06:23 am Link

Photographer

Marc Damon

Posts: 6562

Biloxi, Mississippi, US

KonstantKarma wrote:

Thank you Marc!

In truth I have been approached and offered a paid shoot once from a business.. I don't feel my photography is good enough to accept payment for though, and it makes me feel awkward.

C'mon Man! Put yourself out there to a few small businesses - mom n pop ice cream shops, coffee houses, etc. They need pics for flyers, newspaper ads, websites, etc. Take free coffee and ice cream as payment. Next thing you know, you're being contacted for larger businesses and projects. Maybe you can even hang a few prints as a gallery type thing in a coffee house!
Good luck.

Jan 12 13 07:09 am Link

Photographer

A Preppy Photography

Posts: 330

San Jose, California, US

On a semi-serious note, I've been weighing my option of "being paid" as a relatively new photog.

Can't say it's a good idea for me because

a) I suck and still need practice

and

b) I wouldn't want to claim any taxes on my work outside my day job.

Great title OP, btw!

Jan 12 13 07:15 am Link

Photographer

Yan Tan Tethera

Posts: 4184

Biggleswade, England, United Kingdom

Thread of the week.....

Jan 12 13 07:27 am Link

Photographer

Kaouthia

Posts: 3152

Lancaster, England, United Kingdom

KonstantKarma wrote:
In truth I have been approached and offered a paid shoot once from a business.. I don't feel my photography is good enough to accept payment for though, and it makes me feel awkward.

This was posted on another thread, but I think it's appropriate here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gMeuUTUGw

It doesn't matter what you think of your work.  If somebody else values your work enough that they're willing to pay for it, it's worth paying for (as long as you're capable of delivering more results to the same standard as those that convinced them to hire you).

Jan 12 13 07:29 am Link

Photographer

Caveman Creations

Posts: 580

Fort Worth, Texas, US

KonstantKarma wrote:

wink

Enjoy your shoot. We expect pics!

But of course! What would it be, without photo evidence! big_smile Stay tuned, news at 10:00.

Jan 12 13 07:29 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

Kaouthia wrote:

This was posted on another thread, but I think it's appropriate here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gMeuUTUGw

It doesn't matter what you think of your work.  If somebody else values your work enough that they're willing to pay for it, it's worth paying for (as long as you're capable of delivering more results to the same standard as those that convinced them to hire you).

I wanna ride the unicorn! lol

Good points though, you and Marc - Thanks. smile

Jan 12 13 07:34 am Link

Photographer

ArtisticGlamour

Posts: 3846

Phoenix, Arizona, US

I have found that cash changes the "tone" and "energy" of the shoot, and I would much rather shoot a relaxed easy-going photoshoot. I get paid enough at my "real" job! LOL!

Jan 12 13 07:43 am Link

Photographer

BlueMoonPics

Posts: 4584

New York, New York, US

I don't charge anyone.  But then again I won't work with everyone that asks.  I'm picky with whom I shoot.

Once I was asked what my package for shooting someone and their boyfriend would be.  I turned them down.

There is also the point that some people will not value your work greatly unless you charge them.  If you give shoots for free they assume your work is not valuable.  If you charge a lot then they think you must be really good and will flock to you.

Jan 12 13 07:51 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23057

Salem, Oregon, US

i had the same problem in high school. nobody offered so i never got laid. i guess mom forgot to tell me that guys are the predator, not the prey (unless they are hot or rich or dangerous).

KonstantKarma wrote:
....nobody's ever offered.

lol

Couldn't resist, I wanted a thread with the title.

Jan 12 13 09:14 am Link

Photographer

J M

Posts: 372

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

twoharts wrote:
i had the same problem in high school. nobody offered so i never got laid. i guess mom forgot to tell me that guys are the predator, not the prey (unless they are hot or rich or dangerous).

Haha best post!

Jan 12 13 10:32 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

I agree, lol!

Jan 12 13 10:36 am Link

Photographer

fullmetalphotographer

Posts: 2797

Fresno, California, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
....nobody's ever offered.

lol

Couldn't resist, I wanted a thread with the title.

You sound like a photojournalist wink

Jan 12 13 10:52 am Link

Photographer

Jhono Bashian

Posts: 2458

Cleveland, Ohio, US

LOL

Jan 12 13 10:57 am Link

Photographer

kitty_empire

Posts: 864

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

KonstantKarma wrote:
....nobody's ever offered.

lol

Couldn't resist, I wanted a thread with the title.

Hehe. Nor me. Poor us sad

Go do a TF wedding - that'll make you feel better.

Jan 12 13 11:02 am Link

Photographer

Backstreet Photography

Posts: 138

Salem, Oregon, US

I shoot for free also, and even buy them coffee or lunch afterwards ~ like you, i don't have to deal with complaints.  I have an insane amount of $$ tied up in gear, but it's a hobby, so i don't worry about the $$.  Besides, its cheaper than booze and drugs  ~~~ m'

Jan 12 13 11:03 am Link

Photographer

MC Photo

Posts: 4144

New York, New York, US

I do both. There are certain things I prefer to shoot without pay.

Jan 12 13 04:13 pm Link

Photographer

Mask Photo

Posts: 1435

Fremont, California, US

intense_puppy wrote:
Go do a TF wedding - that'll make you feel better.

i'm not sure that would make *anyone* feel better

Jan 12 13 05:35 pm Link

Photographer

AVD AlphaDuctions

Posts: 10630

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

love the title!  I have nothing to add other than that

Jan 12 13 07:59 pm Link

Photographer

Lumatic

Posts: 13750

Brooklyn, New York, US

intense_puppy wrote:

Hehe. Nor me. Poor us sad

Go do a TF wedding - that'll make you feel better.

Aaghhh!!

*shudder*
*twitch*

*thud*

Jan 12 13 08:06 pm Link

Photographer

TouchofEleganceStudios

Posts: 5217

Upland, California, US

Yeah and I don't shoot nude either.

Models run when they see me naked.

smile

Jan 12 13 08:07 pm Link

Photographer

Caveman Creations

Posts: 580

Fort Worth, Texas, US

KonstantKarma wrote:

wink

Enjoy your shoot. We expect pics!

Had a blast! Everything went well. Or, as well as could be expected! I'll have stuff up probably middle, end of next week. Had to come back and see if this one got buried! big_smile

Jan 12 13 08:12 pm Link

Photographer

Caveman Creations

Posts: 580

Fort Worth, Texas, US

Step Above Photography wrote:
Yeah and I don't shoot nude either.

Models run when they see me naked.

smile

Yup. I resemble that remark. "Caveman"...... Not just a clever moniker! big_smile

Jan 12 13 08:13 pm Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 9689

Santa Barbara, California, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
....nobody's ever offered.

lol

Couldn't resist, I wanted a thread with the title.

I can relate to this one.

besides, on MM only Models get paid  tongue

Jan 12 13 09:25 pm Link

Photographer

ArtisticGlamour

Posts: 3846

Phoenix, Arizona, US

twoharts wrote:
i had the same problem in high school. nobody offered so i never got laid. i guess mom forgot to tell me that guys are the predator, not the prey (unless they are hot or rich or dangerous).

Yup, guys are the predator and not the prey...for just as long as the woman lets you think that. wink

Jan 12 13 10:01 pm Link

Photographer

Marcio Faustino

Posts: 2190

Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany

Those who wants pay, they want pay cheap. Those who was supposed to pay good never paid after the work. Those who I ask money up front don't accept. And those who pay I don't enjoy the shoot.

So why bother? Then I shoot what I want and sell prints. Who want the prints pay. If nobody want I at least am enjoying it.

Jan 13 13 03:14 am Link

Photographer

Matthew Abbott

Posts: 6

Annapolis, Maryland, US

I am glad there's others who feel the way I do. There's lots of good points made here.  I have a day job and my photography is my hobby, a valve to release stress. The creation of images with models is more than just a stress relief for me, it is also a thrill during the shoot because it is so much fun to create great images.

Jan 13 13 05:26 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Greenville, South Carolina, US

Matthew Abbott wrote:
I am glad there's others who feel the way I do. There's lots of good points made here.  I have a day job and my photography is my hobby, a valve to release stress. The creation of images with models is more than just a stress relief for me, it is also a thrill during the shoot because it is so much fun to create great images.

That's how I see it - I don't have dreams of getting rich, I just need the outlet. smile

Jan 13 13 05:27 am Link

Photographer

Art Silva

Posts: 9689

Santa Barbara, California, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
That's how I see it - I don't have dreams of getting rich, I just need the outlet. smile

Same here.

When I was in high school I had dreams of working for sports illustrated or Newsweek as a kick ass photojournalist. Fast forward 35 years and I came to the realization that photography was always a passion and artistic release for me. My steady day job takes care of the bills for me.

Offers for showing my work comes my way sometimes but I have no real desire to stress myself with all that "work" but at the same time it would be cool to see my photos/prints up in some gallery.

Jan 13 13 11:47 am Link

Photographer

Yan Tan Tethera

Posts: 4184

Biggleswade, England, United Kingdom

Backstreet Photography wrote:
I shoot for free also, and even buy them coffee or lunch afterwards ~ like you, i don't have to deal with complaints.  I have an insane amount of $$ tied up in gear, but it's a hobby, so i don't worry about the $$.  Besides, its cheaper than booze and drugs  ~~~ m'

We are not worthy

Jan 13 13 01:11 pm Link

Photographer

David J Martin

Posts: 458

Amberg, Bavaria, Germany

I'm sorry to hear that.  I loved your port.  Usually I don't see that kind of creativity unless I'm visiting Deviant Art.

Jan 13 13 01:20 pm Link

Model

all_names_are_taken

Posts: 337

Ankeny, Iowa, US

Joey, I'd pay you :p  And so would plenty of other girls; your stuff is fantastic...we've gotta get you out of that hotel.

May 20 13 11:46 am Link