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EmGii

Posts: 151

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

so i got a message from a lovely photographer that i did a trade shoot with, she said "sorry i never sent you those photos from the trade shoot. i ended up not liking them. i am a perfectionist lol" and i asked if it was my modeling and was told it was her lighting. /: has this happened to anyone else? it's the first time this happened to me, i kinda feel like i wasted my time now. :L is there any way to avoid this in the future?

Jan 14 13 05:28 pm Link

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haughtysammy

Posts: 71

Brantford, Ontario, Canada

I had something kinda similar happen, I ended up getting my photos finally after a year, not edited but at least I got them. All I can say is hang in there, just try messaging again

Jan 14 13 05:30 pm Link

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Motordrive Photography

Posts: 4161

Lodi, California, US

did you see them?

Jan 14 13 05:31 pm Link

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kitty_empire

Posts: 864

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

You could try contacting the photographer again and asking for some unedited photos and promise to NOT give her credit (I've done something similar in the past with stuff I have hated - my fault - but the model loved).

It's worth a shot at least?

Jan 14 13 05:32 pm Link

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Armond Scipione Photo

Posts: 228

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Look for photographers who have consistency throughout their portfolios. Look for consistent lighting, correct exposures, and possibly a consistent style. Also find their worst image in their portfolio..this will sometimes determine the true skill level. This will increase your chances that you will get images similar in quality to what they have in their portfolio.

Jan 14 13 05:32 pm Link

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Art of the nude

Posts: 11940

Olivet, Michigan, US

EmGii wrote:
so i got a message from a lovely photographer that i did a trade shoot with, she said "sorry i never sent you those photos from the trade shoot. i ended up not liking them. i am a perfectionist lol" and i asked if it was my modeling and was told it was her lighting. /: has this happened to anyone else? it's the first time this happened to me, i kinda feel like i wasted my time now. :L is there any way to avoid this in the future?

I've had times when I wasn't happy with something that I could have done better, or with something that neither of us could control.  I managed to at least get something to the model as proofs.

Jan 14 13 05:33 pm Link

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D S P

Posts: 510

Portland, Oregon, US

Sorry to hear that. Even when we experiment with new techniques or lighting, we do play it safe and shoot some stuff to cover our asses so that all involved get something useable out of the shoot.

Jan 14 13 05:33 pm Link

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GM Photography

Posts: 6140

Olympia, Washington, US

If she felt the photos were bad due to her actions, she should offer a re-shoot or some other form of compensation for your time.

Jan 14 13 05:33 pm Link

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EmGii

Posts: 151

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

thank you all so much for the advice. (: she was so sweet! i'm so bummed out, i've asked her for them months ago but she just recently got back to me. wah! i was so excited to see them, all is well, though, right?

Jan 14 13 05:37 pm Link

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pullins photography

Posts: 5881

Troy, Michigan, US

EmGii wrote:
so i got a message from a lovely photographer that i did a trade shoot with, she said "sorry i never sent you those photos from the trade shoot. i ended up not liking them. i am a perfectionist lol" and i asked if it was my modeling and was told it was her lighting. /: has this happened to anyone else? it's the first time this happened to me, i kinda feel like i wasted my time now. :L is there any way to avoid this in the future?

Since you only asked a question, and not for a myriad of advice, the answer is no.

Jan 14 13 05:39 pm Link

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E H

Posts: 728

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Armond Scipione Photo wrote:
Look for photographers who have consistency throughout their portfolios. Look for consistent lighting, correct exposures, and possibly a consistent style. Also find their worst image in their portfolio..this will sometimes determine the true skill level. This will increase your chances that you will get images similar in quality to what they have in their portfolio.

+1

Jan 14 13 05:39 pm Link

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JeanDphoto

Posts: 1345

Knowlton, Quebec, Canada

Shit happens...

Only good and open communication prevails then

Jan 14 13 05:40 pm Link

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Motordrive Photography

Posts: 4161

Lodi, California, US

GM Photography wrote:
If she felt the photos were bad due to her actions, she should offer a re-shoot or some other form of compensation for your time.

+1
you held up your part of the deal and didn't get anything for the effort

Jan 14 13 05:40 pm Link

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Julia Francesca

Posts: 2393

Sylvania, Ohio, US

um, that's shitty, it's not a trade if you get NOTHING.

Jan 14 13 05:41 pm Link

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L o n d o n F o g

Posts: 6770

London, England, United Kingdom

what happens if you paid a llama for her time, they turn out shit, yet the llama and MUA (who also got paid) make demands to see them?

Jan 14 13 05:42 pm Link

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Julia Francesca

Posts: 2393

Sylvania, Ohio, US

ooo and that little "lol" on the end of her shitty reason really pisses me off, too. i'd be furious.

Jan 14 13 05:42 pm Link

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T A Y L O R

Posts: 2989

Austin, Texas, US

Ugh, this sucks so much.

I had a friend just recently relate a similar experience to me. That just blows my mind. I understand that photographers may not want their worst work floating around on the webz, but as a model I have so little sympathy for that. If we're paid we're expected to pose exactly as we're asked, wearing exactly what we're told, doing whatever concept has been provided, regardless of how it makes us look or the fact that that picture could be out there in the world forever. It's frustrating that photographers have the power during shoots to just never send images because of "imperfections."
/teeny rant

Jan 14 13 05:43 pm Link

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T A Y L O R

Posts: 2989

Austin, Texas, US

Caustic Disco wrote:
um, that's shitty, it's not a trade if you get NOTHING.

+100 This. You could message her and say, "I understand and respect that the images did not come out to your satisfaction. As this shoot was a trade for images however, and I did not receive any images, I'm going to have to ask that you either send me X number of edited images or pay my rates for the time we spent shooting, which are X."

Jan 14 13 05:45 pm Link

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Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

Have her give you another tfcd shoot, so you both win!...

Jan 14 13 05:45 pm Link

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California Girls Skate

Posts: 343

Los Angeles, California, US

EmGii wrote:
so i got a message from a lovely photographer that i did a trade shoot with, she said "sorry i never sent you those photos from the trade shoot. i ended up not liking them. i am a perfectionist lol" and i asked if it was my modeling and was told it was her lighting. /: has this happened to anyone else? it's the first time this happened to me, i kinda feel like i wasted my time now. :L is there any way to avoid this in the future?

Sorry to hear that. I would never be so rude. Happened to a model I was dating once though. He hated a group photsession she was on, so he deleted everything he shot. None of the models got a single image. Needless to say, my girl and the others were pissed.

What can you do? It's a creative field and lots of "artists" are eccentric and selfish douchebags.

Jan 14 13 05:48 pm Link

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AG_Boston

Posts: 378

Boston, Massachusetts, US

GM Photography wrote:
If she felt the photos were bad due to her actions, she should offer a re-shoot or some other form of compensation for your time.

Yeah, re-shoot.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Jan 14 13 05:48 pm Link

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Yum Yum Photo

Posts: 442

Park Ridge, New Jersey, US

I think that is very rude..... I make it a point to get pictures ASAP to model .....  it's a point of etiquette and good manners.... if your photos are bad then fix the best you can and send it to model......

I just finished a great shoot with a mm model  she was great on time and professional she deserves the same respect especially on TF.....

I guess getting referrals might help to prevent this.....

Jan 14 13 05:51 pm Link

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rp_photo

Posts: 42551

Houston, Texas, US

EmGii wrote:
so i got a message from a lovely photographer that i did a trade shoot with, she said "sorry i never sent you those photos from the trade shoot. i ended up not liking them. i am a perfectionist lol"

There is nothing lovely about that self-centered jerk!

IMHO, photographers do not have a monopoly on deciding what is good, and both sides should get to see everything in a trade shoot and have the opportunity to make selections.

Jan 14 13 05:53 pm Link

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StephBar

Posts: 165

Seattle, Washington, US

I think this is also partially why as a fairly new model who has done only a few photo shoots, why I am hesitant to contact photographers that will work with me. I don't want this to happen to me sad http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.png.

I'm sorry that happened to you!

I would ask to re-do the shoot, and maybe you both will surprise each other, especially, since it sounds like, you two are still on good speaking terms and you aren't too sore about it!! So just try again and make it even better, perhaps she has learned how to correct her lighting and she'll come out with a really awesome shot that you can use for your port!

Jan 14 13 05:54 pm Link

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Crystal Rose Modeling

Posts: 441

Sacramento, California, US

In all honesty, I would not work with that photographer again for obvious reasons. The agreement is time for photos. Not time for nothing. Maybe she didn't get the photos that she liked, but sheesh at least pic a few of the best possible ones from the bunch and hope for better luck next time. I've had shoots where the photographers have gotten close to 100 shots and 5 photos in return, but at least it's something.

Jan 14 13 05:57 pm Link

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Carmilla Jo

Posts: 276

Berkeley, California, US

GM Photography wrote:
If she felt the photos were bad due to her actions, she should offer a re-shoot or some other form of compensation for your time.

^I agree with this. She should shoot with you again.

In addition, it is extremely unprofessional not to at least show you the photos, so that at least you could retouch them yourself or have someone else retouch them. In a trade shoot, compensation must be provided in at least the photos.

Jan 14 13 05:57 pm Link

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richardsphotographybc

Posts: 415

Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Oh my,this actually happened to me,I did a TF shoot with a model. For some reason all the photos turned out overexposed and I was so embarrassed. I contacted the model to let her know that it was a bad shoot and was sorry. I offered compensation for her time. She said she was sad because we had a fun shoot. So i gave her all the RAW files as she requested. Well long story short her mom is a photoshop wizard and was able to fix them.

FEW,

Jan 14 13 05:58 pm Link

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Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6661

New Orleans, Louisiana, US

Armond Scipione Photo wrote:
Look for photographers who have consistency throughout their portfolios. Look for consistent lighting, correct exposures, and possibly a consistent style. Also find their worst image in their portfolio..this will sometimes determine the true skill level. This will increase your chances that you will get images similar in quality to what they have in their portfolio.

Correct up to a point but if the OP is relatively inexperienced (I haven't checked her profile) she's likely to be working with relatively inexperienced photographers who may well have some pictures he's dissatisfied with in his portfolio until he gets something better.  And there's always the chance that there's just a difference of opinion between the model and the photographer as to what constitutes a "good" picture.

Like most things this problem can often be averted by good upfront communication.  The model might say something like "I really appreciate it if I can at least see all the pictures to help me with my posing.  I'd be happy to agree not to post anything you're dissatisfied with or to not credit you."  Can't promise it would work but it wouldn't hurt to try.

Jan 14 13 05:59 pm Link

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Paul Barker Photography

Posts: 4

Northampton, England, United Kingdom

I've never done a shoot yet where I thought none of the images were usable and I sincerely hope I never do, but should it ever happen to me then I'd offer to reshoot and that's a bare minimum, especially on a TF shoot and even more so if I thought it was my fault that they weren't usable. I guess all I can say is contact the photographer back and suggest you reshoot.

Jan 14 13 05:59 pm Link

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Julia Francesca

Posts: 2393

Sylvania, Ohio, US

richardsphotographybc wrote:
Oh my,this actually happened to me,I did a TF shoot with a model. For some reason all the photos turned out overexposed and I was so embarrassed. I contacted the model to let her know that it was a bad shoot and was sorry. I offered compensation for her time. She said she was sad because we had a fun shoot. So i gave her all the RAW files as she requested. Well long story short her mom is a photoshop wizard and was able to fix them.

FEW,

that was really cool of you to take a chance like that, glad it worked out!

Jan 14 13 06:00 pm Link

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PhotographybyT

Posts: 7760

Monterey, California, US

That is messed up! You fulfilled your end and the photographer didn't. I agree with others that feel that she owes you some sort of compensation. I'd be weary of a reshoot in case other technical issues arise and she's not happy with the results.

Have you tried asking if she'll allow you to view the photos and perhaps have a retoucher edit one or a few of the photos if they're salvageable?

Jan 14 13 06:01 pm Link

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Damianne

Posts: 15978

Austin, Texas, US

It happens.
Ask her if you can reschedule, maybe somewhere that she knows she can get great results.
She should have offered to reschedule in the first place.

Jan 14 13 06:03 pm Link

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Crystal Rose Modeling

Posts: 441

Sacramento, California, US

rp_photo wrote:

There is nothing lovely about that self-centered jerk!

IMHO, photographers do not have a monopoly on deciding what is good, and both sides should get to see everything in a trade shoot and have the opportunity to make selections.

Definitely agree. I was fortunate to have that with two photographers since modeling.They showed me several shots and told me to pick the 6-8 I liked best for editing and final touches. I've had several occurances when I've remembered shooting a particular pose and disappointed the photgrapher didn't give me a photo of that shot.

Jan 14 13 06:04 pm Link

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Jason Haven

Posts: 38381

Washington, District of Columbia, US

It does happen.

In the cases when it's been my fault, I've offered compensation or a reschedule if possible. In cases where it's "their" fault. I still edit a couple photos, but not as many as I normally would.

Jan 14 13 06:05 pm Link

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rp_photo

Posts: 42551

Houston, Texas, US

vbabe wrote:
Definitely agree. I was fortunate to have that with two photographers since modeling.They showed me several shots and told me to pick the 6-8 I liked best for editing and final touches. I've had several occurances when I've remembered shooting a particular pose and disappointed the photgrapher didn't give me a photo of that shot.

Shooting with me means seeing everything hours after the shoot whether trade or paid.

Jan 14 13 06:06 pm Link

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terrysphotocountry

Posts: 4311

Rochester, New York, US

You photographer might be a new person to photography? She might be correct that her lighting was way off. But she should have at least e. mailed you a few images to show you how bad they were. Then you would at least know she was honest!

Jan 14 13 06:07 pm Link

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Koryn

Posts: 37563

Boston, Massachusetts, US

It's not uncommon.

In all honesty, I shot with many, many people for trade, over the years, whom I never heard from again. They just disappeared.

Actually, the fact that she admitted she had nothing to give you was pretty nice of her. Most of them won't even do that.

Jan 14 13 06:08 pm Link

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Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32526

Poulsbo, Washington, US

GM Photography wrote:
If she felt the photos were bad due to her actions, she should offer a re-shoot or some other form of compensation for your time.

At the very least, the photographer should not follow the bad news with an "LOL." That's the sign of a complete moron.

A reshoot or some sort of payment would be the best of a bad situation.

If I were the OP, I'd ask to see the unedited proofs (not get files of them, just an opportunity to view them). If some of the images are actually usable, I'd insist the photographer get her ass in gear and polish them up at least for the model's use.

Jan 14 13 06:08 pm Link

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Jason Haven

Posts: 38381

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Koryn Locke wrote:
It's not uncommon.

In all honesty, I shot with many, many people for trade, over the years, whom I never heard from again. They just disappeared.

Actually, the fact that she admitted she had nothing to give you was pretty nice of her. Most of them won't even do that.

Disappearing and/or not explaining the reason for no images is pretty shitty. hmm

People's time should be compensated in some fashion.

Jan 14 13 06:10 pm Link

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rp_photo

Posts: 42551

Houston, Texas, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:
At the very least, the photographer should not follow the bad news with an "LOL."

When someone ends bad news with an "LOL" or "Shrugs", I feel like putting a fist through a wall.

Jan 14 13 06:11 pm Link