Rochester, New York, US
Like rp said seeing the un edited images at the studio or even on a web site with in hours is the best. I normally have them posted on a web site were they are pass word protected. After they pick out the ones they like I replace them with the edited version with in two weeks.
Jan 14 13 06:13 pm Link
ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
When models stiff photographers, no shoot happens.
Jan 14 13 06:14 pm Link
Syracuse, New York, US
Yup. I do however give at least one photo as my lighting was not That bad.. Or we re-shoot.
Jan 14 13 06:15 pm Link
Some photographers are so full of themselves that they only think models should get to the see the images they deem to be good enough.
Jan 14 13 06:16 pm Link
If her mom was able to salvage the shots, why couldn't you?
Jan 14 13 06:18 pm Link
don't shoot with jerks who are clueless about post-processing and who won't get you photos? check references, ask around. people who consistently behave poorly do leave scorch marks behind them.
Jan 14 13 06:20 pm Link
I filter out the shots I'd never want the world to see, then from the remaining shots the model gets to choose her shots to be finished.
Jan 14 13 06:23 pm Link
Farmington Hills, Michigan, US
If this was a trade the photographer should have absolutely made sure there was some stuff you could use in your port. When I pay models I feel free to experiment and shoot what I like, but if they're trading their time there needs to be some benefit to them.
Jan 14 13 06:27 pm Link
Jacksonville, Florida, US
Under normal circumstances I would say to ask for a re-shoot, that way both you and the photographer can get the material you were looking for. But in this case I would not do it because I think it would be a waste of your time.
You said you contacted her months ago and she just now got back to you saying the pictures were not good enough, and ended her message with an lol. Like it meant nothing to her that you put time and effort into the shoot and came away without anything for your port. Yes, it means that she has nothing from the shoot for her port either, but she should have told you a long time ago. It didn't take her months to get the pics from your shoot off her memory card and onto her hard drive and take a peek at them. She knew they weren't up to her standard that night when she got home and put the pics on her computer. Then she was so embarrassed that it took her this long to get back in touch with you.
Don't work with her again unless she pays you up front. If another model contacts you for a reference, let them know about this situation.
Before shooting, always get 3-5 references from models and stylists who have worked with the photographer. Be sure to ask about images and how long it took to get the images back, and whether or not they delivered the agreed upon material.
Jan 14 13 06:36 pm Link
Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Orca Bay Images wrote:
Well for your info, I am in no way a photoshop wizard. If I was I would of fixed them. I just started to work in photoshop. So hope that answered your question.
Jan 14 13 06:41 pm Link
College Station, Texas, US
T A Y L O R wrote:
I'd say possibly a combination of both of these:
Jan 14 13 06:46 pm Link
Orca Bay Images wrote:
Call me lazy. I like to generate a preview quickly and be done with it.
Jan 14 13 06:49 pm Link
you can outsource to mayhem wizards for $5/photo. heck i've even had them at $1/image. or put it up in the retouching forum for a free retouch. photographers who care will find a way. if you managed to take off the lens cap it may be possible to save the image unless it's hopelessly over-exposed or super blurry.
if someone can't post-process then they should just give the model the originals and let her figure it out. some of these ladies are very talented and/or know someone who is good with photoshop.
Jan 14 13 06:51 pm Link
In Bridge, it takes insignificant time and effort to filter out the bad shots.
In general, a model only picks a flawed image about half the time, and almost never more than 2.
"Half the time" still entails an unnecessary round of, "Can't have that one. Pick another," which is at least a day or two of delay.
Jan 14 13 06:54 pm Link
College Station, Texas, US
Well, you may be lazy but I'll be in the same boat for the most part. About the only things I pull out are black frames from the flashes/strobes failing to fire.
Jan 14 13 07:03 pm Link
same here. i'm not getting paid so i'm lazy and make the model choose. of course they often choose something that makes me wish i weren't so lazy! lol
Viator-Defessus Photos wrote:
Jan 14 13 07:05 pm Link
the unwritten rule of thumb for photographers is, "if it isn't worthy for my portfolio it isn't worthy to release the images for any portfolio."
the unfortunate circumstance for tf* is some feel there is a written rule that it doesn't matter. give me what you think is crap regardless. that doesn't bode well for either party, but for many it doesn't matter. they just want the pictures regardless of the quality. simply surf the site to confirm that.
what most don't realize is just having pictures for the sake of it can create more harm than good. just because one goes through the motions of tf* doesn't mean the effort becomes a guarantee. the opposite should be the approach and if greatness isn't captured then throw them all away.
Jan 14 13 08:35 pm Link
I could never be that arrogant. Just because an image might not benefit my port doesn't mean it couldn't benefit another.
Jan 14 13 08:44 pm Link
then you aren't shooting models from a professional standpoint, you're playing let's take pictures without an understanding of what model imaging is at its core to advance both parties.
Jan 14 13 08:48 pm Link
I'm OK with that, as are most of the models I work with.
Jan 14 13 08:54 pm Link
Ontario, California, US
When I shoot, after about every 10 shots or so I review the pictures with the model. That way we can both see how the pictures are coming along and if any adjustments need to be made. Sometimes the model may like a pose but not her expression or vice versa, or I may need to make an adjustment to the lighting or backdrop, ect. I do it this way so we are going over the pictures before the next look, and we don't have to go over all of the pictures at the end of the shoot.
Jan 14 13 09:41 pm Link
then you don't fall into those toward where my initial comment was based. you assumed arrogance as a preface that didn't apply to you. that doesn't mean a blanket statement of being an arrogant approach for others without a full understanding of strong presentation.
Jan 14 13 09:46 pm Link
in the studio we shoot into a TV so there aren't any surprises. if it sucks (and they care) they will let me know.
CBs Photography wrote:
Jan 14 13 09:47 pm Link
Royal Oak, Michigan, US
Its important to have a detailed conversation about how many images you will get, when, and what happens if the photographer is not satisfied with the shoot. As a model, I would not agree to do the trade shoot unless I was guaranteed at least some images.
Even now you can say "I would not have agreed to do the shoot if I knew you might not provide any images. If you want to get a positive recommendation from me, I will need to get some images from our shoot per our agreement."
Jan 14 13 09:57 pm Link
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
i told her this,
"do you think maybe i could have a few photos to see just to look at how i posed and maybe edit them? i wont credit you if you want. o: it's just i drove all the way out there for a trade shoot and i kinda want something. you know?
like maybe i could pay a retoucher to fix them or something. (:"
i hope that didn't come off badly, i'm waiting for a reply. c:
Jan 14 13 10:09 pm Link
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US
it said she read the message a while ago but she didn't reply. :L guess i'll just let it go. wah. ):
Jan 14 13 10:20 pm Link
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Yes indeed. It has happened to me twice. What I've learned is to make sure that logistics are taken care of before the shoot, (is it outdoor lighting, are they a natural light shooter and if it is indoors lighting are they happy with it!)
Jan 14 13 11:38 pm Link
You should have attached an LOL at the end of your query.
Jan 14 13 11:52 pm Link
Seattle, Washington, US
Review and revise your screening criteria, procedures, and methods. Find better people to deal with next time.
Jan 15 13 12:00 am Link
Orlando, Florida, US
Good pointers- check references and consistency on the portfolio. Usually newbies pay models to start up and have something in their portfolio. Sorry to say but you been had. A complete waste of time but she got some practice out of you. I have been in this for over 2 years and I have always returned a few pictures. She must have been really lost.
Jan 15 13 12:15 am Link
Chicago, Illinois, US
A test shoot doesn't always mean good or usable results. Its a gamble. Even shooters with excellent books screw up and or aren't happy with their work. Its part of modeling. I'm certain the photographer didn't plan things to turn out that way. People who value what they put out won't usually give work they aren't willing to show themselves. Credited or not. There is no lesson to be learned. Stuff happens. If the OP wasn't offered a re-shoot then that's that.
Jan 15 13 12:25 am Link
Temple City, California, US
This happens all the time good luck next time. I feel for you since you put in all your time and if you bought outfits for the shoot and waisted your gas money. The fact that you did a trade with her is no excuse for the photographer not to set up a reshoot and offer you some gas money for your further efforts just to keep things with you and her in perspective. If this photographer does not do any thing to recompensate you. You should be extra carefull next time or have the photographer include what the arraingements will be on a trade shoot if they decide not to give you any images. Good luck
Jan 15 13 12:50 am Link
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
It's one of the reasons I use at least three different lighting set-ups combined with as many costume changes on TF shoots (assuming there are any 'costumes'...)... Luckily my studio is big enough to shoot using daylight as well as using strobes concurrently, so if I think a particular outfit might benefit from a more informal look we just walk over to the windows...
Occasionally one of the set-ups won't be to my liking and no: I won't release any of them either - not even unedited for use anonymously...
Jan 15 13 12:56 am Link
Franklin, New Jersey, US
Koryn Locke wrote:
Unbelievable! Never knew this was very common.
Jan 15 13 03:45 am Link
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Photo36 Models wrote:
You've not been doing this very long have you? What if the model chooses an image that really sucks? That's YOUR name on the photo, not hers - YOUR photographic skills (or perceived lack thereof) will be judged by viewers, not hers...
Jan 15 13 04:10 am Link
Paris, Île-de-France, France
Yes things can happen.
The other day I lost a whole series. I was shooting on a card, shot the beginning of the series on one card until it was full. Changed cards reformatted the card and again continued. No trace of those images anywhere, even after using a thorough recovery scan of multiple cards and even my hard drive.
Since I have the beginning of the series, there are still some yet they are not that good. I likely will not deliver any images from that particular series.
IF all shots are bad, that is something that should have been watched for when shooting.
In any case either they owe you a reshoot, or they should at least send a small selection of the best to see if anything is salvageable.
Jan 15 13 04:20 am Link
Alpharetta, Georgia, US
You got nothing? Rather the photographer likes it or not, at least you should get some images as proof. Photographer should know how to use their lights and should be prepared.
Jan 15 13 04:30 am Link
Trondheim, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway
Whats up with photographers not keeping their part of the deal. If the photog do a bad job it is not the models fault. And the photog should atleast be able to handle lighting. If you don't are you really a photographer? Photography is first of all creating an image with light. Without light you got nothing.
Jan 15 13 04:54 am Link
Bath, England, United Kingdom
Pay a professional
Jan 15 13 05:08 am Link
Greenville, South Carolina, US
Well, this thread made me add the number of shots models receive to my profile.
Jan 15 13 05:23 am Link