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927monkey

Posts: 282

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Just wondering ...

I have a pair of D4's however I was looking into medium format digital gear

For the price point it is not making sense.  Does anyone regret getting the d800e vs say the d800 for studio portraits ??

Kinda like the actresses from regular tube tv to high-def  ...  shows all the flaws

Any feedback positive or negative related to in studio with strobes experience with the d800e specifically would be great

        t r o y

Jan 27 13 12:04 pm Link

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Robb Mann

Posts: 10883

Baltimore, Maryland, US

I agonised over the D800/D800e decision when i bought it last year. Its not as big an issue as i thought it to be. Still, you cant really see in all cases if you Morie on the image review presented by the LCD. For fashion/model photography im still happy i went with the regular D800, but the E also would have worked.

Jan 27 13 01:09 pm Link

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Frozen Instant Imagery

Posts: 3797

Dublin, Dublin, Ireland

I got the D800E, and have no regrets. It's a fine camera.

Jan 27 13 01:53 pm Link

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Maxximages

Posts: 2086

Los Angeles, California, US

I went with the E, anything posted in my port since June is with the E except my avatar which was with a Sony Nex 7 and 135L.

I have not shot much fashion but have not noticed any moire. I think if there was a problem with the E and moire there would be a lot more griping on the internet, haven't seen a thread on here yet about it.

Jan 27 13 01:55 pm Link

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liddellphoto

Posts: 1801

London, England, United Kingdom

Went with the E, no regrets at all, I get more moire from my X100 and almost no mention of moire problems online.

Jan 27 13 02:28 pm Link

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Berghammer

Posts: 519

Seattle, Washington, US

Over half of my portfolio has been shot with the D800 standard. Even without the E I still get moiré patterns, but when I see them I don't run and cry into a heart-shaped pillow for hours on end, they are very easily dealt with. I have absolutely no regrets buying the D800, it's worth it's weight in gold for the crop factor alone, but on that note it's also sort of a bear when it comes to retouching.

Below are a couple of images I like to show that illustrate why the crop factor is such a big selling point
http://www.ianberghammer.com/Clientportfolios/crab/i-htqTN4N/0/L/20120415-_DSC0398-2-L.jpg

http://www.ianberghammer.com/Clientportfolios/crab/i-bfpTH3z/0/L/20120415-_DSC0398-3-L.jpg

The 800 is by no means a workhorse like the D4, it's not a machine gun designed for fast-paced HARD action. The D800 is more of a precision instrument, it can be finicky and somewhat unforgiving (especially when it comes to focus), but at the same point outpaces its rivals when it comes to methodically achieved finished product. As for whether or not I regret purchasing the standard over the (E), not really, the antialiasing filter is so thin on the Standard Edition that it only adds half a step in sharpening. Like I said, I achieve moiré from time to time and get the feeling that the time sharpening up versus the time eliminating artifacts is probably negligible (especially if you want to make the camera do dual duty to both fashion and architecture). I think in the end it's just a minor workflow question, no one but a "pixel peeper" is really going to be able to tell the difference in a well finished product.

Jan 27 13 02:30 pm Link

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London Fog

Posts: 6770

London, England, United Kingdom

The D800 doesn't just outpace it's rivals, it's leaves them for dead! There's just nothing even close to it, at this moment in time!

Jan 27 13 03:33 pm Link

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ontherocks

Posts: 22826

Salem, Oregon, US

i was thinking about getting one and based on the reviews had decided that getting an 800E would be good (budget notwithstanding). i read one review that said they got moire on both cameras (800 and 800E) and it's not like the 800E was so much worse.

my fuji x-pro1 doesn't have a filter and i like the detail it gets. i did see moire shooting one product.

Jan 27 13 08:32 pm Link

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Joey

Posts: 455

Orange, California, US

Only regret is the storage required for the files. 14 bit RAW NEF files consistently produce 200MB tiff files. Consider that in your workflow. IQ wise, no regrets!

Jan 27 13 09:11 pm Link

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R Michael Walker

Posts: 11987

Costa Mesa, California, US

THE reason I opted for the D800 over the e was the video. You need to put an AA filter over the sensor of the e to get even acceptable results with fine detail. Morie is not easily dealt with in video. And I have NO regrets getting the D800..even though I had to replace all of my glass to maximize my output with it.

Jan 27 13 09:21 pm Link

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sultanphotography

Posts: 834

Chicago, Illinois, US

I own all three. D4 is my workhorse and goes to events or if I do a high action low light dance stuff. D800E is for glamour and studio. I never use my 800 (NON E). Selling it.

Feb 01 13 05:56 am Link

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Rich Arnold Photography

Posts: 945

Los Angeles, California, US

I got the D800 but if I had to do it over, I'd get the E. I'm mostly shooting landscapes these days and the dynamic range of the sensor is amazing. No regrets. Fantastic camera. The new Live View is much better than on my D700.

Feb 01 13 04:11 pm Link

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Gary Melton

Posts: 6401

Dallas, Texas, US

Troy Fleece wrote:
...I have a pair of D4's...

...okay...I'm lookin' around for Ashton Kutcher, but I don't see him.

Ashton!!!  You can come out now...you PUNKED me!!!

smile

Feb 01 13 04:18 pm Link

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Steven A Thompson

Posts: 550

Los Angeles, California, US

I have the E. no moire issues so far. Not one. Several thousand frames to date.

Feb 01 13 04:19 pm Link

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Kennedy StillsandFilms

Posts: 145

Miami, Florida, US

I shoot primarily video so I went with the regular D800. But have shot with the D800E, sure there's a bit more sharpness but the moire wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, in video it was a bit worse for moire then the plain D800

So it depends if you plan on shooting video and risk getting more moire with the D800E

Feb 01 13 04:29 pm Link

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J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 10542

San Pedro, California, US

I got the E after about 6 months of research. It was the detail that absolutely sold me over the D800 (Actually it was a shot of a bin of tennis shoes shot with both the D800 & the D800E that completely tipped the scale). I wanted the E for bringing out the extreme detail in textiles, fashion accessories and such, which are normally shot with medium format. So I chose not to take the safe route with the non-E.

I haven't shot with it a whole lot yet. Over the next couple weeks I have 3 projects, so I'll know definitively by then.

Feb 01 13 05:10 pm Link

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London Fog

Posts: 6770

London, England, United Kingdom

I'm selling my other D800, just don't need it, the D700 makes for an awesome back-up!

Feb 01 13 05:28 pm Link

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Leighthenubian

Posts: 2974

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Feb 01 13 07:21 pm Link

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The Signature Image

Posts: 12055

Gorham, Maine, US

Possibly off-topic a bit but I looked at and held and played with the D800 and found that I just didn't like the feel of the camera -- improvements and fine points considered.

I realized something: I just like my D700. In fact thinking about getting another one.

Feb 01 13 07:31 pm Link

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Select Models

Posts: 36284

Upland, California, US

There's a few camera manufacturers that regret the Nikon D800E... HASSELBLAD, MAMIYA and CANON to name a few... wink

Feb 01 13 08:34 pm Link

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liddellphoto

Posts: 1801

London, England, United Kingdom

The Signature Image wrote:
Possibly off-topic a bit but I looked at and held and played with the D800 and found that I just didn't like the feel of the camera -- improvements and fine points considered.

I realized something: I just like my D700. In fact thinking about getting another one.

The handling is definitely a step backwards from the D700. My hand feels like it is falling off the bottom and I have to grip it tightly because the grip isn't large enough. With any reasonable size lens the battery grip is a big help.

Feb 02 13 04:30 am Link

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Joe Peffer

Posts: 298

Miami, Florida, US

Just got a E myself, no issues with Moire. Moire will happen with or without the AA filter. Even my Sony a850 had moire when looking through the VF because if its that's sharp and the sensor that big, it's bound to happen. Remember MF all are without AA filters and they shoot fashion all the time. If it happens, change camera angles or aperture. Simple. That extra resolution and sharpness on too of a super lens is ideal and perfect. For printing wall sized prints it can't be beat. Heck a 100% crop with a sharp lens can be printed up to 6ft

Feb 02 13 08:43 pm Link

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Joe Peffer

Posts: 298

Miami, Florida, US

Also for portraits it's crazy the detail it resolves. A true professionals eye can discern the difference without reading these articles and reviews online. I like to see real world shots of the genre I shoot. Not charts, graphs, color blocks and panels poorly lit, or some one sided bias opinion. You want the difference go shoot it yourself side by side with the d800. And yes the d700 is a great back up camera for those who want a fast affordable alternative, or the d3s which runs the same as the d800.

Feb 02 13 08:47 pm Link

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Y E N

Posts: 828

Memphis, Tennessee, US

have had the 800 almost since the beginning, but did not start using it till about a month ago and i love it, I have the d3x and was reluctant in leaving because the handling and the file size, now I am thinking of selling the d3x and buying another d800.  And I love my D3x!!!!

Feb 03 13 05:19 am Link

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Joe Peffer

Posts: 298

Miami, Florida, US

But, I would always have a faster camera as a back up. So a D4 and a d800e is the mothrr of all kits. And selling a D4 for a D800e also frees up some cash to fund new lenses or equipment. Note you will want extra high capacity CF cards and external HDs. For me the D800e is the studio king, and the D4 is a mobile beast.

Feb 03 13 09:44 am Link

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sultanphotography

Posts: 834

Chicago, Illinois, US

Joseph Peffer wrote:
But, I would always have a faster camera as a back up. So a D4 and a d800e is the mothrr of all kits. And selling a D4 for a D800e also frees up some cash to fund new lenses or equipment. Note you will want extra high capacity CF cards and external HDs. For me the D800e is the studio king, and the D4 is a mobile beast.

exactly. D800E for studio. D4 for outside and events

Feb 04 13 03:23 pm Link