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Photographer

Nick Belial

Posts: 71

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Aspring model "schools" photographer on why he should shoot her entire modeling portfolio TF (Totally Free)

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1411874 … -portfolio

Jan 30 13 03:14 am Link

Photographer

JOEL McDONALD

Posts: 608

Portland, Oregon, US

Go figure, eh? :-)

Jan 30 13 03:23 am Link

Model

Miroslava Svoboda

Posts: 555

Seattle, Washington, US

I tried to watch it but it was too long and not funny enough, sorry hmm

Jan 30 13 03:25 am Link

Photographer

Raoul Isidro Images

Posts: 6292

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Oh my!

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Jan 30 13 04:38 am Link

Photographer

Nick Belial

Posts: 71

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Miroslava Svoboda wrote:
I tried to watch it but it was too long and not funny enough, sorry hmm

Not really intended to be especially funny-- and models aren't really the "target audience" here.

That said, by no means are all models like the one depicted here. Still, many photographers can relate that there's an attitiude that exists out there, that photographers should either shoot aspiring models for free-- or pay them.

Jan 30 13 06:47 am Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12836

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Tuned out when the "photographer" started to babble on about equipment costs... Silly argument that 99% of the time is made by someone who doesn't understand business

Jan 30 13 06:59 am Link

Photographer

Christopher Hartman

Posts: 54149

Buena Park, California, US

AJScalzitti wrote:
Tuned out when the "photographer" started to babble on about equipment costs... Silly argument that 99% of the time is made by someone who doesn't understand business

thank you. You saved me the effort of sitting through it. tongue

Jan 30 13 07:05 am Link

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Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6329

New York, New York, US

Nick Belial wrote:
Not really intended to be especially funny-- and llamas aren't really the "target audience" here.

That said, by no means are all llamas like the one depicted here. Still, many photographers can relate that there's an attitiude that exists out there, that photographers should either shoot aspiring llamas for free-- or pay them.

Actually, maybe someone should make one that is funny, non-confrontational and informative that llamas, especially new llamas would watch and learn from.

We have a whole lot of llamas who don't  (or won't) understand the photographer's position and a whole lot of photographers who don't (or won't) understand the llama's position.  A litle video like this that can bridge the gap might, and I emphasize might, help everyone.

And then we have those who say "Maybe somebody ought to . . ." and then do nothing more.  Let me amend my opening statement.  Maybe I ought to get to work and put something useful together.

IMHO as always, of course.

Jan 30 13 07:07 am Link

Photographer

Andrew Thomas Evans

Posts: 24078

Minneapolis, Minnesota, US

Nick Belial wrote:
That said, by no means are all models like the one depicted here. Still, many photographers can relate that there's an attitiude that exists out there, that photographers should either shoot aspiring models for free-- or pay them.

Well and there is this attitude that a photographer should start charging a lot of money once they have a few shoots under their belt and have expensive equipment.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Jan 30 13 07:13 am Link

Photographer

J M

Posts: 372

Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Did anyone else notice the photographer said what do I get from it then we cut away to a shot of her chest?

Jan 30 13 09:08 am Link

Photographer

Good Egg Productions

Posts: 15723

Orlando, Florida, US

SOMEONE is putting these ideas in a new model's mind.
SOMEONE is jumping through all these hoops and giving them the expectation that all photographers will.

If YOU stop doing it, they will stop assuming every photographer will.

I'm a general offender of this, so I'm a total hypocrite, but then I'm not bitching about their expectations, either.

Jan 30 13 09:15 am Link

Photographer

DarrylPascoePhotography

Posts: 478

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

AJScalzitti wrote:
Tuned out when the "photographer" started to babble on about equipment costs... Silly argument that 99% of the time is made by someone who doesn't understand business

+1   should have read this first....wouldn't have wasted time up to that point lol

Jan 30 13 09:18 am Link

Photographer

i c e c o l d

Posts: 8610

Fort Myers, Florida, US

Nick Belial wrote:
Aspring model "schools" photographer on why he should shoot her entire modeling portfolio TF (Totally Free)

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/1411874 … -portfolio

sorry man but these were kinda funny about 4 years ago...not so much now!

Jan 30 13 09:21 am Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

I almost made it 2 minutes. After that all I heard were the teachers voices from Charlie Brown...waa waa waa wah.

Jan 30 13 09:29 am Link

Photographer

Mcary

Posts: 1803

Fredericksburg, Virginia, US

Nick Belial wrote:
Not really intended to be especially funny-- and models aren't really the "target audience" here.

Still, many photographers can relate that there's an attitiude that exists out there, that photographers should either shoot aspiring models for free-- or pay them.

Can't believe the number of models that have that attitude,  I mean its not like there's any aspiring photographers that expect models to pose for them for free.  No wait its not free the models get out of focus, underexposedoverexposed, horrible PS images out of it so I guess that makes it TFP smile

Jan 30 13 09:34 am Link

Model

_bri_

Posts: 283

OTTSVILLE, Pennsylvania, US

Made some very true and good points, but still pretty painful to watch, lol.

Jan 30 13 09:54 am Link

Photographer

Marc Damon

Posts: 6562

Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Rays Fine Art wrote:

Actually, maybe someone should make one that is funny, non-confrontational and informative that models, especially new models would watch and learn from.

We have a whole lot of models who don't  (or won't) understand the photographer's position and a whole lot of photographers who don't (or won't) understand the model's position.  A litle video like this that can bridge the gap might, and I emphasize might, help everyone.

And then we have those who say "Maybe somebody ought to . . ." and then do nothing more.  Let me amend my opening statement.  Maybe I ought to get to work and put something useful together.

IMHO as always, of course.

I think that's a fantastic idea Ray. You certainly have the knowledge and experience to make it happen. All I ask is you consider very thoughtfully the script and directing behind it. Most people here will agree that no one's opinion of right and wrong is universal. Whatever you do will be praised by some and criticized by most. I wish you luck.

Jan 30 13 10:19 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 28014

Dearborn, Michigan, US

I thought it was funny.

Jan 30 13 10:38 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I thought it was funny.

You would Jerry! LOL now go get me another bag of popcorn! And a Pop! Don't forget the ice cream!LOL

Jan 30 13 10:57 am Link

Model

Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1693

Los Angeles, California, US

Heh. I love these videos.

Jan 30 13 11:08 am Link

Model

Miroslava Svoboda

Posts: 555

Seattle, Washington, US

Nick Belial wrote:

Not really intended to be especially funny-- and models aren't really the "target audience" here.

My mistake then, I'm used to those being short and funny as to relate the intended message in the most effective manner to the audience and at the same time provide entertainment value. Otherwise we've already seen and heard all that in different forms.

Jan 30 13 11:11 am Link

Photographer

G D Peters Photography

Posts: 3230

North Platte, Nebraska, US

Rays Fine Art wrote:

Actually, maybe someone should make one that is funny, non-confrontational and informative that models, especially new models would watch and learn from.

We have a whole lot of models who don't  (or won't) understand the photographer's position and a whole lot of photographers who don't (or won't) understand the model's position.  A litle video like this that can bridge the gap might, and I emphasize might, help everyone.

And then we have those who say "Maybe somebody ought to . . ." and then do nothing more.  Let me amend my opening statement.  Maybe I ought to get to work and put something useful together.

IMHO as always, of course.

+1  Go for it, but make it unbiased.  smile

Jan 30 13 11:19 am Link

Photographer

SitronStudio

Posts: 1064

Venice, Florida, US

That's a little old. A current internet model would have explained to the professional photographer that he should be paying her. I get that all the time.

Jan 30 13 11:22 am Link

Photographer

J O H N A L L A N

Posts: 10331

Santa Ana, California, US

Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
Well and there is this attitude that a photographer should start charging a lot of money once they have a few shoots under their belt and have expensive equipment.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Really? I don't see that a lot actually (at least on sites like MM - which is kind of what we're talking about with the 'TF' thing). I more see photographers that lean toward being more interested in the art (the image). While an overwhelming share of beginning models targeting $$$.

Jan 30 13 11:27 am Link

Photographer

NatLight Studios

Posts: 808

Menlo Park, California, US

SitronStudio wrote:
That's a little old. A current internet model would have explained to the professional photographer that he should be paying her. I get that all the time.

I got that same line, just this morning, from a new model who wanted to be paid and also wanted the images.  All you can do is wish such fools the best, and move away as quickly as possible.

Not very long ago, I got the same sort of request.  That new model had the most amusing explanation of why she should be paid:  "But, I'm beautiful..."    Great, and so are the twenty-six models in line behind you.  Have a great career, the door is there.

Jan 30 13 11:31 am Link

Photographer

G D Peters Photography

Posts: 3230

North Platte, Nebraska, US

Really?  banghead deadhorse  Expectations getting in the way!

Jan 30 13 11:34 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 28014

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Caitin   wrote:

You would Jerry! LOL now go get me another bag of popcorn! And a Pop! Don't forget the ice cream!LOL

lol

Jan 30 13 11:35 am Link

Photographer

Toto Photo

Posts: 2792

Belmont, California, US

I suppose if I got into a long discussion and the model still didn't get it, I'd point her to this factually accurate scenario. The script certainly makes all the salient points, so I'm glad it is out there.

Jan 30 13 11:42 am Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 42754

Salinas, California, US

I could only get through about 15 seconds of it ... then the "model" spoke.   I already know what it's about.    So I'll tell you a really funny story that is TRUE!!!

A long time ago in a land before digital, I was introduced to a young lady who became my muse for a short time. She was a fun model who would dress up in a nice evening gown, then toss her high heal shoes to the side of home plate and play baseball while in that dress with me shooting it. 

I sort of spoiled her by shooting and not charging her, and then I took her out on a few dates too.  She had hinted at wanting more than just friendship, so after a movie date, I told her that I felt that we could be friends, but that would be as far as it would go.  She sighed and then never brought that up again.  Our shoots were much less frequent too!

Then she moved to Los Angeles to pursue acting as a career.  After sometime, I get a phone call from her.  She was at her dad's home and wanted me to come meet her "actor" boyfriend whom she was going to marry.  She also wanted to have me shoot their wedding.   

So I drive out to her dad's place which is a beautiful big house in a country setting with some acres around it.  I meet the couple and soon after the normal greetings, we sit down at a table.  She brings me a bunch of bridal magazines with some high gloss covers obviously shot in a studio.  Keeping in mind that I have already shot many weddings and she knew this, I said "I'm going to have to rent a studio to be able to get those type of bridal shots ... it's going to cost extra!" 

She wigged on me saying "Well I thought you would shoot our wedding for FREE being that we are such good looking actors and this would be good for your portfolio!"  I said "Sorry (her name), no can do!  You find someone else who will shoot you for free." 

I walked out of the house ... barely able to contain my laughter ... which I let loose laughing my ass off once I got in the car.  Then I drove away ... never to hear form her again.  Sometimes I wonder?   lol

Jan 30 13 12:06 pm Link

Photographer

Smitty s Photography

Posts: 80

Sacramento, California, US

NatLight Studios wrote:

I got that same line, just this morning, from a new model who wanted to be paid and also wanted the images.  All you can do is wish such fools the best, and move away as quickly as possible.

Not very long ago, I got the same sort of request.  That new model had the most amusing explanation of why she should be paid:  "But, I'm beautiful..."    Great, and so are the twenty-six models in line behind you.  Have a great career, the door is there.

Seriously, didn't she actually say,  "But, I'm beautiful... and ALL my friends say I should be a model!"  ;-P

Jan 30 13 12:11 pm Link

Photographer

JOEL McDONALD

Posts: 608

Portland, Oregon, US

I offered a TF to a relatively new one, that contacted me, with a less than stellar port. She stated that she was "published" and that she only works with photogs that can get her published, and that wasn't me after all.

Turned out she was "published" in some sort of online blog calendar/contest thing.

Whatever.

hmm

Jan 30 13 06:13 pm Link

Photographer

JOEL McDONALD

Posts: 608

Portland, Oregon, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:
I could only get through about 15 seconds of it ... then the "model" spoke.   I already know what it's about.    So I'll tell you a really funny story that is TRUE!!!

A long time ago in a land before digital, I was introduced to a young lady who became my muse for a short time. She was a fun model who would dress up in a nice evening gown, then toss her high heal shoes to the side of home plate and play baseball while in that dress with me shooting it. 

I sort of spoiled her by shooting and not charging her, and then I took her out on a few dates too.  She had hinted at wanting more than just friendship, so after a movie date, I told her that I felt that we could be friends, but that would be as far as it would go.  She sighed and then never brought that up again.  Our shoots were much less frequent too!

Then she moved to Los Angeles to pursue acting as a career.  After sometime, I get a phone call from her.  She was at her dad's home and wanted me to come meet her "actor" boyfriend whom she was going to marry.  She also wanted to have me shoot their wedding.   

So I drive out to her dad's place which is a beautiful big house in a country setting with some acres around it.  I meet the couple and soon after the normal greetings, we sit down at a table.  She brings me a bunch of bridal magazines with some high gloss covers obviously shot in a studio.  Keeping in mind that I have already shot many weddings and she knew this, I said "I'm going to have to rent a studio to be able to get those type of bridal shots ... it's going to cost extra!" 

She wigged on me saying "Well I thought you would shoot our wedding for FREE being that we are such good looking actors and this would be good for your portfolio!"  I said "Sorry (her name), no can do!  You find someone else who will shoot you for free." 

I walked out of the house ... barely able to contain my laughter ... which I let loose laughing my ass off once I got in the car.  Then I drove away ... never to hear form her again.  Sometimes I wonder?   lol

Funny!

Jan 30 13 06:21 pm Link

Photographer

EdwardKristopher

Posts: 3377

Tempe, Arizona, US

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I almost made it 2 minutes. After that all I heard were the teachers voices from Charlie Brown...waa waa waa wah.

+1

Jan 30 13 09:01 pm Link

Photographer

F8 Productions

Posts: 69

Chicago, Illinois, US

I have to agree with others that tuned out when the photographer argued that he invested "thousands of dollars" into his gear.  I don't agree with this argument being used but only because it's a cost of business.  There are other arguments that make a great deal more sense to me.

Unfortunately, this is how some exchanges go and will continue to go for as long as the myth of big dollars for unexperienced models continues.

F8 Productions, Inc.

Jan 31 13 08:51 am Link

Photographer

MedievalIce

Posts: 223

Ithaca, New York, US

Rays Fine Art wrote:

Actually, maybe someone should make one that is funny, non-confrontational and informative that models, especially new models would watch and learn from.

We have a whole lot of models who don't  (or won't) understand the photographer's position and a whole lot of photographers who don't (or won't) understand the model's position.  A litle video like this that can bridge the gap might, and I emphasize might, help everyone.

And then we have those who say "Maybe somebody ought to . . ." and then do nothing more.  Let me amend my opening statement.  Maybe I ought to get to work and put something useful together.

IMHO as always, of course.

+1  I'd love to see that made.

Jan 31 13 09:05 am Link

Photographer

Larry Quick

Posts: 117

Boynton Beach, Florida, US

What!!! You actually all great photographers don't give away all of their work for free LMAO, Because I do get all of my expensive camera and studio equipment free, so why shouldn't I give everything away free to those aspiring models who only have Facebook types of photos in their ports NOT I get a big laugh from those models. They have no experience and want to charge for their time.

Jan 31 13 09:15 am Link