Forums > General Industry > What?? You contact me and want to charge me?????

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)You are so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) You are mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

Jan 31 13 08:18 am Link

Photographer

Mortonovich II

Posts: 716

San Diego, California, US

Some here will spout on about how they have a right to market themselves blah blah blah . . . but yeah, it's horse shit.

On the second point; they might be entirely right but it's quite subjective that's not a very tactful way to go about it.

Jan 31 13 08:22 am Link

Photographer

Drew Smith Photography

Posts: 5210

Nottingham, England, United Kingdom

Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

Meh.

After awhile it's water off a duck's back.

Model's do it to photographer's, photographer's do it to models and so it goes on.

Jan 31 13 08:22 am Link

Photographer

-Ira

Posts: 2187

New York, New York, US

Yeah, that's lame.  Especially if they fired back with that final rebuttal.


FYI - http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/di … youre.html

Jan 31 13 08:23 am Link

Model

Alixx Rose

Posts: 225

Atlanta, Georgia, US

It's more spam than anything else.
Like, thanks for letting me know your rates while insulting my portfolio, lets never work together ever.

Jan 31 13 08:25 am Link

Model

NicoleNudes

Posts: 3861

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Jan 31 13 08:26 am Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Caitin   wrote:
(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Maybe the photographer's 8 year old son got a hold of dad's login info.

Jan 31 13 08:28 am Link

Photographer

DAN CRUIKSHANK

Posts: 1786

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Nothing new. Why bother reply?

Jan 31 13 08:29 am Link

Photographer

Anthony-Ray

Posts: 387

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

lol I get that quite often actually. I always try to be nice, and let them know that for me this is just a hobby. Not really a big deal.

I can see how it would be irritating if this was how you made a living though.

Jan 31 13 08:30 am Link

Artist/Painter

Vincent Wolff

Posts: 2866

Chicago, Illinois, US

Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

yeah, you're SO mean for not bowing to a photographer's pretty ballsy attempt to drum up business.

Jan 31 13 08:33 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22622

Salem, Oregon, US

models who want to get paid hit me up all the time. if someone only works for pay then they should say so in the first message.

Jan 31 13 08:36 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

Drew Smith Photography wrote:

Meh.

After awhile it's water off a duck's back.

Model's do it to photographer's, photographer's do it to models and so it goes on.

Well I do like getting tags and I look at every profile that does. I have seen some very interesting photographers that way, that I wouldn't have. But the other way is just so abrasive. A huge turn off.

Jan 31 13 08:42 am Link

Clothing Designer

Chain Reaction

Posts: 529

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Caitin   wrote:
I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.

I agree, but it happens all the time. I still get "I LOVE your stuff! I'd LOVE to model it! And I'll ONLY charge you $1500.00 an hour! And I get to keep everything I model!" Um... thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

BTW, YOU would look FANTASTIC in my chainmail! So how many did you want to order? tongue

Jan 31 13 08:42 am Link

Photographer

Azimuth Arts

Posts: 1490

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

I don't necessarily have a problem on a networking site where one member contacts another offering their services for pay.  You can consider it spam like the flyers that come to your mailbox everyday, but there is nothing wrong about it.

What I don't care for is when one member says "you'd be great for MY project, now pay me $XXX.  If someone wants me involved in THEIR concept then they can pay ME or we can do it trade.  The person charging should be the one taking direction from the person PAYING.

Just my $0.02

Jan 31 13 08:45 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

twoharts wrote:
models who want to get paid hit me up all the time. if someone only works for pay then they should say so in the first message.

Very true. I will say the problem is even worse outside of MM. My in boxes and e-mail fills up with so much spam its a workout just trying to sort through what is work or not. Sometimes I just miss something or ignore sorting through it for a few days then I get people saying, I could have just responded no if I didn't want to shoot with them.
Simply I missed it wading through the crap.

Jan 31 13 08:47 am Link

Model

NicoleNudes

Posts: 3861

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Azimuth Arts wrote:
What I don't care for is when one member says "you'd be great for MY project, now pay me $XXX.  If someone wants me involved in THEIR concept then they can pay ME or we can do it trade.  The person charging should be the one taking direction from the person PAYING.

I fully agree with that.

Jan 31 13 08:48 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

Chain Reaction wrote:

I agree, but it happens all the time. I still get "I LOVE your stuff! I'd LOVE to model it! And I'll ONLY charge you $1500.00 an hour! And I get to keep everything I model!" Um... thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

BTW, YOU would look FANTASTIC in my chainmail! So how many did you want to order? tongue

Chainmail? Whats that? sounds scary!

Jan 31 13 08:48 am Link

Clothing Designer

Chain Reaction

Posts: 529

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Caitin   wrote:
Chainmail? Whats that? sounds scary!

Jan 31 13 08:49 am Link

Photographer

MedievalIce

Posts: 223

Ithaca, New York, US

twoharts wrote:
llamas who want to get paid hit me up all the time. if someone only works for pay then they should say so in the first message.

Yeah, I don't really mind if someone contacts me when they're traveling through my area and lets me know they're looking for paid work.  But it is annoying if they don't make that clear from the get-go.

Jan 31 13 08:50 am Link

Photographer

Kincaid Blackwood

Posts: 23414

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I don't do that eventhough models send me similar message despite the simple, clearly stated terms on my profile.

For the sake of argument, however, we are constantly bombarded with sales pitches at all waking hours. Some are just ads. Others are cold calls. Maybe the occasional email/messaging spam. Some are interactive discussion while others are not. In the end, either they provide something you need or they don't. Ultimately, you can engage them in a dialog at will or you can say nothing and delete. Choice is yours.

Jan 31 13 08:52 am Link

Photographer

intense_puppy

Posts: 864

Brighton, England, United Kingdom

Caitin   wrote:
What do you think about that?

Photographers get that all the time.
Standard stuff.

"Would love to shoot with you"
"Cool, let's do this then?"
"Sounds great! My rates are...."

Jan 31 13 08:52 am Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 38620

Portland, Oregon, US

Caitin   wrote:
Doesn't make sense! Does it?

(them)Your so beautiful! You will fit my project so well!
Will You shoot with me? Please?

(me)OK so you say Sounds good! Whats Your project and Budget?

(them) I only will charge you bla bla bla and give you 5 images.

(me) what did you contact me for? If I wanted to shoot with you or pay you because I liked what you do and thought you had something I needed then, I would have contacted you.

(them) Your mean don't ever contact me again!

Ok now this is not exactly what and how its said but its how it goes.

I don't think that if your the one charging that you should make 1st contact for a shoot.
I do think its ok to just tag or make a comment or just say how much you like what they do. then if they notice you and contact you for work ok.

What do you think?

Also I absolutely do not like it when I get a note that says, "The photographers that have shot you so far didn't do you justice, you need to let me shoot you".

If your so much better why not let your work speak for you?

What do you think about that?

I would have hit *delete* when I saw they could not spell "you're" properly, as it is quite simple, even to say "you are", but no, to say "your"... buh bye

Jan 31 13 08:55 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

DougBPhoto wrote:

I would have hit *delete* when I saw they could not spell "you're" properly, as it is quite simple, even to say "you are", but no, to say "your"... buh bye

Dam spell check did it to me again! Why can't they make a spell check that knows how to spell and proper grammar?

Jan 31 13 09:00 am Link

Photographer

Loki Studio

Posts: 3024

Royal Oak, Michigan, US

Yes- it's a idiotic marketing strategy used by lame photographers and models. It's clearly deceptive if they do not mention rates in the first communication. Luckily those that try it often fail quickly.

Jan 31 13 09:06 am Link

Photographer

EdwardKristopher

Posts: 3377

Tempe, Arizona, US

DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote:
Nothing new. Why bother reply?

Same here...!  :-)

Jan 31 13 09:08 am Link

Photographer

Larry Quick

Posts: 117

Boynton Beach, Florida, US

I had a llama in my area listing a casting call for a photographer to do a certain photo shoot, didn't mention anything about charging the photographer for the shoot in her ad, as soon as I contacted her she wanted to charge me to do the photo shoot with her, I imediately let her know what my rates were for the type of shoot she wanted to do, never heard from her again.

Jan 31 13 09:08 am Link

Model

Caitin Bre

Posts: 2248

Naperville, Illinois, US

Loki Studio wrote:
Yes- it's a idiotic marketing strategy used by lame photographers and models. It's clearly deceptive if you do not mention rates in the first communication. Luckily those that try it often fail quickly.

Yes I think that really the ones that do it don't really have much to offer anyway. Maybe that's why they have to do it?

Jan 31 13 09:10 am Link

Model

Sheena Lynne

Posts: 30

BRONX, New York, US

Yes! I hate that! Love your forum

Jan 31 13 09:18 am Link

Photographer

DougBPhoto

Posts: 38620

Portland, Oregon, US

DougBPhoto wrote:
I would have hit *delete* when I saw they could not spell "you're" properly, as it is quite simple, even to say "you are", but no, to say "your"... buh bye

Caitin   wrote:
Dam spell check did it to me again! Why can't they make a spell check that knows how to spell and proper grammar?

Damn straight. 

I don't know why they can't make a spell check feature that knows how to properly spell the word you intend and not simply the closest, easiest word similar to the spelling and how to correct for proper grammar, which might also help correct spelling for words based on their contextual usage.

(Not sure if Microsoft Word still tries to do this, at least it used to.)

I also love how often such things are blamed on auto-spell/auto-correct features, I just turn those things off so that if there is a fuck up it is my fault, and not some stupid machine.

Jan 31 13 09:26 am Link

Photographer

Neil Snape

Posts: 9473

Paris, Île-de-France, France

Doesn't work like that here. I give them credit for trying.

In an ideal world everyone would be paid.

Jan 31 13 09:29 am Link

Photographer

Light and Lens Studio

Posts: 1468

Sisters, Oregon, US

Caitin   wrote:
Chainmail? Whats that? sounds scary!

He mis-spelled it.  Chain Maille  or chainmaille.  It's a flexible type of Armor worn during the dark ages/middle ages by soldiers in battle.  It would partly deflect a sword strike, but not stop a powerful arrow or crossbow bolt.

It can be very sexy on the right model. big_smile

Jan 31 13 09:37 am Link

Clothing Designer

Chain Reaction

Posts: 529

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Light and Lens Studio wrote:
He mis-spelled it.

Either spelling is acceptable.

Jan 31 13 09:40 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Almost as much fun as models answering my Job Ads for paid portfolio-building shoots getting upset when I point out that it's not TFP and I expect them to pay me...or better yet: that they were expecting me to pay them...

Such language from such pretty-looking girls - it's shocking, I tell you... big_smile

(Another model/photographer website I use over here in Germany has the facility to offer this kind of service).

I don't think there's anything wrong in principle about cold-calling prospective customers - it's a valid sales technique - but you need to be upfront about it:

"Hi - I offer portfolio-building shoots tailored for all budgets and genres - see my website, contact me if interested, further details on request."

Except not on MM obviously, coz they don't like that.

Jan 31 13 09:44 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Chain Reaction wrote:
Either spelling is acceptable.

Correct - these days 'Maille' is more likely to mean this:

http://www.tj-feinkost24.de/images/product_images/info_images/maille_a_lancienne.jpg


...it's Dijon mustard, by the way...

Jan 31 13 09:49 am Link

Photographer

SPV Photo

Posts: 789

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

NicoleNudes wrote:
Bait and switch.

If I'm seeking paid work I only tag people in the area I'm going to, to let them know I'll be there and I'm only accepting paid work. They can either A) Send me a message or B) Ignore it and/or delete my tag.

I've found that the best way and it's the way that pisses the least people off.

Yes, this is the best way to do it IMO. I hate people that say "Hey, let's shoot!" and then follow up with rates.

Jan 31 13 09:53 am Link

Photographer

Michael Broughton

Posts: 2244

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Neil Snape wrote:
Doesn't work like that here. I give them credit for trying.

In an ideal world everyone would be paid.

in my ideal world nobody would have to worry about money and we'd all be doing this for fun.

Jan 31 13 10:04 am Link

Model

Nicole L Grant

Posts: 77

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I've had a photographer hand me his rates AFTER we shot and told me if I wanted any back I had to pay that.

Jan 31 13 10:13 am Link

Clothing Designer

Chain Reaction

Posts: 529

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Nicole L Grant wrote:
I've had a photographer hand me his rates AFTER we shot and told me if I wanted any back I had to pay that.

What?!? Hope you kicked him in the nards.

Jan 31 13 10:17 am Link

Model

Nicole L Grant

Posts: 77

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Chain Reaction wrote:

What?!? Hope you kicked him in the nards.

Nope, I just walked away, didnt say I think. This is after he never showed for our first shoot and was 2 hrs late to the 2nd. At that point I was done with it.

Jan 31 13 10:34 am Link

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Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6329

New York, New York, US

The primary purpose of modeling is to sell a product, whether it be pictures of the model, a dress, a car, a breakfast food.

Therefore, in every gig you get, (other than spank-bank, and often there as well) you're participating in someone's marketing effort.  Since you spend so much time marketing to others, why do you get upset when others market to you?  I certainly expect that if you reply to these inquiries, you do so with the full intent to market to them.

As to the teasers (You're so gorgeous, etc.), do you think many models would respond favorably to opening phrases like, "Geez, that's a really big pimple on your butt!"  The teasers are simply an effort to get your attention before beginning the sales pitch.  Not really that different from saying that you shoot whatever you shoot in your profile, or puttimg up a particularly enticing picture in your portfolio.

I'd say, get used to the fact that we're all here to market and to be marketed to.  That's really what networkings all about.  It's just that some are more open about it than others.

Jan 31 13 11:05 am Link