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Looknsee Photography

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Portland, Oregon, US

Teenage hacker sentenced in UK for cyber-attacks

If "rehabilitation" is the UK's euphemism for "jail time", I think they got off light.  18 months + a couple weeks community service for damages of 3.5 million pounds ($5.5 million) seems light to me.

Note:  copyright violations have penalties associated with each copyright that is violated -- thus, big copyright violations can be more expensive than little violations.

So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

Feb 01 13 12:04 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

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Los Angeles, California, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

Why have no bankers seen jail time?

Feb 01 13 12:07 pm Link

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r T p

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ex
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Feb 01 13 12:08 pm Link

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Marc Damon

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cy be rea n wrote:

ex
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Damn. That would be harsh for anyone - except maybe pedophiles. lol

Feb 01 13 12:11 pm Link

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Looknsee Photography

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Portland, Oregon, US

The Space Cowboy wrote:
Why have no bankers seen jail time?

My nephew is an uber-liberal political activist.  He made this argument about how the government forced Jason Schwarz to commit suicide (Schwartz was facing charges of violating a massive number of copyrights of scholarly work).

I asked -- please let me know what crimes I'm now allow to break now that bankers have gone uncharged.

These line items are not related.

Feb 01 13 01:03 pm Link

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C h a r l e s D

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Los Angeles, California, US

Death.

Feb 01 13 01:13 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

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Los Angeles, California, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
I asked -- please let me know what crimes I'm now allow to break now that bankers have gone uncharged.

It appears you have the green light to engage in 'the mass sale of mismarked, fraudulent mortgage-backed securities'

Enjoy!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … l-20110216

Feb 01 13 01:19 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

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Portland, Oregon, US

Hack off their hands..

same for those who write computer viruses

Feb 01 13 02:15 pm Link

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sdgillis

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Portland, Oregon, US

a $100k yr job with full access to an entire data cluster.  At least that's what happened at once place I worked.

Feb 01 13 02:20 pm Link

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Christopher Hartman

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Buena Park, California, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Teenage hacker sentenced in UK for cyber-attacks

If "rehabilitation" is the UK's euphemism for "jail time", I think they got off light.  18 months + a couple weeks community service for damages of 3.5 million pounds ($5.5 million) seems light to me.

Note:  copyright violations have penalties associated with each copyright that is violated -- thus, big copyright violations can be more expensive than little violations.

So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

the more money you ruin/steal the lower the punishment.

The further you are under 18, the lower the punishment.

Feb 01 13 02:22 pm Link

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Looknsee Photography

Posts: 21989

Portland, Oregon, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
I asked -- please let me know what crimes I'm now allow to break now that bankers have gone uncharged.

The Space Cowboy wrote:
It appears you have the green light to engage in 'the mass sale of mismarked, fraudulent mortgage-backed securities'

Enjoy!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … l-20110216

Not at all -- I haven't stated a single position, one way or another, on the alleged crimes of banks or bankers.

What I'm saying is that just because some banks may have been involved in some illegal activities, that is no excuse or justification for other people to commit unrelated crimes.

How far do you think that argument will go in court?  "I know I stole Charley's identity & emptied his bank accounts, but bankers get away with writing bad mortgages all the time"?


BTW:  As soon as Romney said, "Corporations are people, my friend", I immediately thought "Okay, so how do we put corporations into jail when they commit crimes?".

Feb 01 13 02:27 pm Link

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Orca Bay Images

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Poulsbo, Washington, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

First conviction: six months in jail and full restitution.

Second conviction: three years in jail and full restitution.

Third conviction: Lobotomy and total forfeiture of assets.

Feb 01 13 02:32 pm Link

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NothingIsRealButTheGirl

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Los Angeles, California, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Not at all -- I haven't stated a single position, one way or another, on the alleged crimes of banks or bankers.

What I'm saying is that just because some banks may have been involved in some illegal activities, that is no excuse or justification for other people to commit unrelated crimes.

How far do you think that argument will go in court?

No, my argument is that white collar criminals only do time when the victims are powerful.

So...

'What's the appropriate penalty for cyberhacking?'

Depends on how powerful the victim is.

Feb 01 13 02:32 pm Link

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Managing Light

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Salem, Virginia, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
BTW:  As soon as Romney said, "Corporations are people, my friend",

When I heard that Romney had said that, I said "how do we get that changed?"

Feb 01 13 04:26 pm Link

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ChrisFischerPhotography

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Otsego, Minnesota, US

Strap electrodes to their privates and make them work tech support for the most computer illiterate people that can be found. If they give a purposefully wrong answer, or a snide answer, or a sarcastic answer, or make fun of the person, or insult the person, or sigh exasperatedly, or address them as anything other than "sir" or "ma'am", or be anything other than helpful and polite, send a few hundred volts through those electrodes.

Feb 01 13 06:51 pm Link

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Raoul Isidro Images

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Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Turn them into Soylent Green along with other Wall Street crims.

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Feb 01 13 06:57 pm Link

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fullmetalphotographer

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Fresno, California, US

A chainsaw enema or reading Ken Rockwell's blog sober.

Feb 01 13 07:11 pm Link

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David Westlake

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Mansfield Center, Connecticut, US

10 minutes in a room full of it professionals who had to clean up their shit.

Feb 01 13 08:14 pm Link

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studio36uk

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Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Teenage hacker sentenced in UK for cyber-attacks

If "rehabilitation" is the UK's euphemism for "jail time", I think they got off light.  18 months + a couple weeks community service for damages of 3.5 million pounds ($5.5 million) seems light to me.

Note:  copyright violations have penalties associated with each copyright that is violated -- thus, big copyright violations can be more expensive than little violations.

So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

Don't dismay. He was the junior partner and 16 at the time. There are restrictions on what could be done with [to?] him by the courts. The same would have applied if it had been a US case. Two of his older associates got 18 months [the main man - on conviction] and 7 months in prison [the second main man - pleaded guilty and got a break on prison time].

The important point, I think, was to demonstrate that they were not quite so anonymous as they thought they were.

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Feb 01 13 09:19 pm Link

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EdwardKristopher

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sdgillis wrote:
a $100k yr job with full access to an entire data cluster.  At least that's what happened at once place I worked.

Not enough money if they're good enough!  :-)

Feb 01 13 09:21 pm Link

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EdwardKristopher

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Dallas, Texas, US

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Teenage hacker sentenced in UK for cyber-attacks

If "rehabilitation" is the UK's euphemism for "jail time", I think they got off light.  18 months + a couple weeks community service for damages of 3.5 million pounds ($5.5 million) seems light to me.

Note:  copyright violations have penalties associated with each copyright that is violated -- thus, big copyright violations can be more expensive than little violations.

So, thoughts?  What are appropriate punishments for cyberattacks?  While we are at it, what are appropriate punishments for identity theft?

I think that the Penalty should fit the Crime.

Feb 01 13 09:21 pm Link

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EdwardKristopher

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Dallas, Texas, US

David Westlake wrote:
10 minutes in a room full of it professionals who had to clean up their shit.

:-)

Feb 01 13 09:22 pm Link

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EdwardKristopher

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Dallas, Texas, US

Raoul Isidro Images wrote:
Turn them into Soylent Green along with other Wall Street crims.

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Soylent Green are People!

Feb 01 13 09:23 pm Link

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Garry k

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Coioncidently I just finished watching " We are Legion " which is the story of the Anonymous group of Cyber Hackers - some of whom are featured speaking about their views that they are doing good in the world in such endeavors as taking on the Church of Scientology , Counter Attacking Paypal and Mastercard when they pulled their services from Wikileaks , and helping to keep the citizens of Egypt and Tunisia informed about the Arab Spring ( revolutions ) when their own countries attempted to cut off the internet to citizens

Anyways the movie is here to watch for free , and its quite interesting

http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/we_ … ists_2012/

Feb 01 13 09:23 pm Link

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EdwardKristopher

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Dallas, Texas, US

Anonymous believes that the Penalty should fit the Crime!  On both sides!

Feb 01 13 09:28 pm Link

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the lonely photographer

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Beverly Hills, California, US

Dangle them from a helicopter above an active lava flow then cut the rope

Feb 01 13 11:51 pm Link

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Raoul Isidro Images

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Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

EdwardKristopher wrote:
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Soylent Green are People!

Don't tell anyone! LOL!

panic

ninja ___ rant
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Feb 01 13 11:58 pm Link