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Nemi

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Jamaica, New York, US

Real ones, not ya'll who whine about being up past midnight. You're just a bunch of lilly assed complainers.
I'm talking legit inability to sleep.
I watch the sun rise several times a week. If I could be out cold by 4am every day I'd be happy.

What do you guys do?

Feb 10 13 10:49 pm Link

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Light Writer

Posts: 18387

Oakland, California, US

Warm milk with honey. The sugar crash and the warm milk really help. Quiet, relaxation.

If it's really tough count backwards from 300 by 13s
300
287
274
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Try to relax, it's the tension.

Feb 10 13 11:18 pm Link

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Nemi

Posts: 27411

Jamaica, New York, US

Light Writer wrote:
Warm milk with honey. The sugar crash and the warm milk really help. Quiet, relaxation.

If it's really tough count backwards from 300 by 13s
300
287
274
...

Try to relax, it's the tension.

I've tried it. Does nothing. Sometimes if I'm already tired I can do the alphabet in my head on repeat, skipping the words.

Recently though, nothing works. I'm not even drowsy.

Feb 10 13 11:25 pm Link

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DougBPhoto

Posts: 38593

Portland, Oregon, US

Imagine you're having a conversation with me....






you'll be falling asleep in no time!!

Feb 11 13 12:39 am Link

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GH-Photography

Posts: 9421

Jacksonville, Florida, US

go to a sleep clinic.

Feb 11 13 02:19 am Link

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Paolo Diavolo

Posts: 8800

Martinez, California, US

i have to zone out in front of the TV.
if my mind entertains itself it won't shut off.
sometimes this only works every day and a half, i don't always need sleep every night, and sometimes only a few hours at a time to recharge.

Feb 11 13 09:42 am Link

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Nemi

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Jamaica, New York, US

Greg Holt Photography wrote:
go to a sleep clinic.

I did, in 2007. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea, had surgery, don't have the apnea anymore, but still can't sleep. They gave me some Ambien and sent me on my way.

Feb 11 13 10:48 am Link

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Marc Damon

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Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Go see a doctor, but not for insomnia. You've been posting lately about all the medical problems and stress you face daily. You could easily suffer from depression. If that's the case, things like Unisom, Ambien, counting, warm milk, music and other typical insomnia cures won't help. Insomnia is very often a result of stress induced depression. Maybe it's a depression med like welbutrin or effexor you need and not a sleeping pill or an old wives tale.

Feb 12 13 09:19 am Link

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SPierce Photography

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Amherst, Massachusetts, US

I've been running into that more and more often sad Didn't make it to sleep until 3am last night, just lay in bed staring at the ceiling. Ugh! I just have to stay there, or i'll be even more awake if i go back downstairs

Feb 12 13 10:30 am Link

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joeyk

Posts: 14740

Seminole, Florida, US

As insane as it sounds...

3 Tylenol.

Or, Mylanta.

Both leave me out like a light...

Feb 12 13 11:24 am Link

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Tore

Posts: 13710

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Marc Damon wrote:
Go see a doctor, but not for insomnia. You've been posting lately about all the medical problems and stress you face daily. You could easily suffer from depression. If that's the case, things like Unisom, Ambien, counting, warm milk, music and other typical insomnia cures won't help. Insomnia is very often a result of stress induced depression. Maybe it's a depression med like welbutrin or effexor you need and not a sleeping pill or an old wives tale.

Some anti-depressants can make insomnia far worse!
Nemi, if it's as bad as you say, you need to go back to your doctor. One that actually solves your issues and doesn't "send you on your way." If it's lack of insurance that's stopping you, perhaps it's time to reconsider and do what needs to be done. You have choices. Not easy ones, but they are choices.
Feel better.

Feb 12 13 11:29 am Link

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MMDesign

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Louisville, Kentucky, US

Read. Nothing works for me.

Feb 12 13 02:45 pm Link

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Vintagevista

Posts: 11050

Sun City, California, US

Infomercials -

I have struggled with insomnia off-and on since high school.  Thankfully, right now, I'm in remission and have had a good past 8 months of decent sleep

My brain will not shut off for whatever reason and I'll go weeks with disturbed sleep - or nights with none.  I have gone years with serious sleep disturbances on more nights than ok ones.  My worst was about 4 days, with 3 hours sleep total in those 4 days - (I was a wreck)

The secret (for me) was to short circuit the endless loop my brain was in - without becoming interested enough in something else to have a new loop form.  Reading was interesting  (although I read things before bed now that I have read DOZENS of times - so, as not to have it be interesting)  TV was just interesting enough to focus on the story at hand.  Music was not random enough and songs did not last long enough to drift off.

Infomercials were my answer - just enough to occupy my mind and get it detrailed - but not nearly enough to get me actually interested in Eric Estrada - Selling timeshares in Arkansas.... lol

So, when sleep is borked - I hit the living room couch at about 2 AM - and drift off (finally) to the sound of Forex trading, colon cures, and amazing cooking gadgets.

Feb 12 13 09:04 pm Link

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Marc Damon

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Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Marc Damon wrote:
Go see a doctor, but not for insomnia. You've been posting lately about all the medical problems and stress you face daily. You could easily suffer from depression. If that's the case, things like Unisom, Ambien, counting, warm milk, music and other typical insomnia cures won't help. Insomnia is very often a result of stress induced depression. Maybe it's a depression med like welbutrin or effexor you need and not a sleeping pill or an old wives tale.

Tore wrote:
Some anti-depressants can make insomnia far worse!
Nemi, if it's as bad as you say, you need to go back to your doctor. One that actually solves your issues and doesn't "send you on your way." If it's lack of insurance that's stopping you, perhaps it's time to reconsider and do what needs to be done. You have choices. Not easy ones, but they are choices.
Feel better.

Aren't we saying the same thing here?
Nemi, find a doctor. Make an appointment.

Feb 12 13 09:15 pm Link

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Kitty LaRose

Posts: 12715

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Read, work on my manuscripts, AVOID newspapers/news sources (they only give me anxiety at night), avoid my kitchen (tongue), and listen to music.

Or, if I'm desperate to sleep, knock myself off with OTC medications OR dip into the sleeping pills my doctor gave me...but they leave me hung over like crazy for the next 48 hours, so I generally don't use those suckers.

Feb 12 13 09:20 pm Link

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Tore

Posts: 13710

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Marc Damon wrote:
Aren't we saying the same thing here?
Nemi, find a doctor. Make an appointment.

Yup! smile

Feb 13 13 04:38 am Link

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Sha-Lynne

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Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I relax for an hour before bed and avoid stimulants (caffeine and anything loud or bright).  If I don't think that alone will work I'll have some Bailey's and/or a sleeping pill and/or read for a bit.

Feb 13 13 09:17 am Link

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Nemi

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Jamaica, New York, US

Tore wrote:
Yup! smile

I go to plenty of doctors ( two separate ones yesterday alone) thing is, when you have so many "real" problems, not sleeping isn't exactly high on anyone's priority list.

Feb 13 13 10:51 am Link

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Tore

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Stamford, Connecticut, US

Nemi wrote:

I go to plenty of doctors ( two separate ones yesterday alone) thing is, when you have so many "real" problems, not sleeping isn't exactly high on anyone's priority list.

I know exactly what you're talking about, actually.
You know once they get you sleeping, it will be easier to tackle everything else. Or they can work the other way around, like you said, they need to fix other things first.
You need to find the doctors that work the way YOU need them to....not the other way around. Take charge of your healthcare. Feel better.

Feb 13 13 12:17 pm Link

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ArtisticPhotography

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Buffalo, New York, US

Nemi wrote:

I did, in 2007. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea, had surgery, don't have the apnea anymore, but still can't sleep. They gave me some Ambien and sent me on my way.

Have your tried Ambien racing?

You take the pill in your car about 25 minutes from home and then rush to get home before the pill kicks in in about 20 minutes! It's what all the cool kids are doing these days.

Feb 13 13 12:44 pm Link

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- Aina -

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Redlands, California, US

I would be classified as a "lilly assed complainer" should I happen to bitch about staying up past midnight. I don't suffer from insomnia, but see how it fucks up a person's day (and night). I have nothing to offer but my sympathy. I know nothing to help. So, I'll just be here in thought.

Feb 13 13 12:50 pm Link

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ArtisticPhotography

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Buffalo, New York, US

I am so sorry for you. It is something I can't even imagine.

Days like tomorrow I start at 6:30 AM and end them at about 1:30 AM, so by the time I find a bed I'm out like a light.

If there's anything I can do, don't hesitate to PM me.

Feb 13 13 12:56 pm Link

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a raw muse

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Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

I can lend you the manthing?

I need to be covered in weight/blankets/pillows etc, so I have no sleep issues now. MAGIC.

Only time that sucks is when I need to go stay at my mom's when I'm working in Boston. 2-3 days of almost no sleep. Yay communal sleeping, crazy cats, and mom snoring. O.O

Feb 13 13 01:39 pm Link

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Nemi

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Jamaica, New York, US

indefinite anomaly wrote:
I can lend you the manthing?

I need to be covered in weight/blankets/pillows etc, so I have no sleep issues now. MAGIC.

Only time that sucks is when I need to go stay at my mom's when I'm working in Boston. 2-3 days of almost no sleep. Yay communal sleeping, crazy cats, and mom snoring. O.O

I know it sounds nuts, but I have less sleeping issues when I am next to a  large warm human. Next to me all humans are qualified as large lol


Today I went to sleep at 6:45 am, woke up at 11. WHHEEEEEEEEEE!

Feb 13 13 01:43 pm Link

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a raw muse

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Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica

Nemi wrote:

I know it sounds nuts, but I have less sleeping issues when I am next to a  large warm human. Next to me all humans are qualified as large lol


Today I went to sleep at 6:45 am, woke up at 11. WHHEEEEEEEEEE!

That's not nuts big_smile

Feb 13 13 02:12 pm Link

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Paolo Diavolo

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Martinez, California, US

indefinite anomaly wrote:

That's not nuts big_smile

large warm nuts?

Feb 13 13 02:21 pm Link

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Marc Damon

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Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Nemi wrote:

I know it sounds nuts, but I have less sleeping issues when I am next to a  large warm human. Next to me all humans are qualified as large lol


Today I went to sleep at 6:45 am, woke up at 11. WHHEEEEEEEEEE!

I am large and warm. I will shamelessly volunteer my services if you promise only to sleep and not try to seduce me. tongue

Feb 13 13 02:29 pm Link

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Nemi

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Jamaica, New York, US

Marc Damon wrote:
I am large and warm. I will shamelessly volunteer my services if you promise only to sleep and not try to seduce me. tongue

Deal. Fair warning I've been told when I can't fall asleep I can be VERY annoying when I decide I want attention from the person snoozing next to me.

poke
poke
poke
are you up?
poke
hello?
poke
want to watch a movie?
poke
snuggle you into a corner
poke

Feb 13 13 02:38 pm Link

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Marc Damon

Posts: 6562

Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Nemi wrote:
Deal. Fair warning I've been told when I can't fall asleep I can be VERY annoying when I decide I want attention from the person snoozing next to me.

poke
poke
poke
are you up?
poke
hello?
poke
want to watch a movie?
poke
snuggle you into a corner
poke

Am I up? Of course I'm up! You're laying next to me!

Hello? Hai!

Want to watch a movie? Sure. But only if it's porn.

Snuggle me into a corner? Yes Please!

wink

Feb 13 13 02:50 pm Link

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Nemi

Posts: 27411

Jamaica, New York, US

Marc Damon wrote:

Am I up? Of course I'm up! You're laying next to me!

Hello? Hai!

Want to watch a movie? Sure. But only if it's porn.

Snuggle me into a corner? Yes Please!

wink

Direct quote " You're worse than a fucking cat, how can something so small take up so much bed!?!"

Feb 13 13 03:08 pm Link

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Marc Damon

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Biloxi, Mississippi, US

Nemi wrote:

Direct quote " You're worse than a fucking cat, how can something so small take up so much bed!?!"

It's a covert and devious ploy for attention and affection, snuggling, scratching behind the ears and belly rubs. If you have nowhere to go but on top of me or under me, I win! big_smile

Feb 13 13 05:25 pm Link

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Becks

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Rochester, New York, US

I wouldn't call myself an insomniac, per se, because (usually) I just can't be bothered to sleep at night. It's inconvenient! And boring. If there's one sure fire way for me to be utterly unable to sleep, it's to be bored. I seriously have to be entertained to go to bed. I usually try to watch a movie in my mind (I come up with a general plot and run with it inside my head until I fall asleep and it turns in to a dream), and that works. Unless I can't come up with one, then I just read some random online ficlet until I pass out.

Feb 13 13 05:40 pm Link

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Nemi

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Jamaica, New York, US

6:00am it's now a race against the sun. Can I fall asleep before the moon does?

DUN DUN DUNNNNNn

Feb 14 13 03:01 am Link

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Paolo Diavolo

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Martinez, California, US

You can do eeet!

Feb 14 13 03:36 am Link

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chasecaleb

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Kansas City, Missouri, US

Nemi wrote:
6:00am it's now a race against the sun. Can I fall asleep before the moon does?

DUN DUN DUNNNNNn

Story of my life. It's 2-something and I MAY miraculously fall asleep within an hour. I have delayed sleep phase syndrome. The fun part is that there isn't essentially isn't any medicine to help or lifestyle changes to counteract it. I'll manage to fall asleep at 2 or 3 for three days straight and be so happy about that, then suddenly I can't fall asleep before 6 am. Then BOOM, my sleep schedule swings later and later out of control for a few weeks. I'll get five hours of sleep and be more tired than a zombie all day long, then around 11 pm I'm wide awake and can't sleep until even later than the night before.

Don't you love it when friends, family, and coworkers are all, "Well, just try harder to go to bed early. I have a hard time too but you can do it." Hadn't thought of that one!

They say that both intelligent and creative people tend to stay up later than most though wink

Feb 19 13 12:20 am Link

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Nemi

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chasecaleb wrote:

Story of my life. It's 2-something and I MAY miraculously fall asleep within an hour. I have delayed sleep phase syndrome. The fun part is that there isn't essentially isn't any medicine to help or lifestyle changes to counteract it. I'll manage to fall asleep at 2 or 3 for three days straight and be so happy about that, then suddenly I can't fall asleep before 6 am. Then BOOM, my sleep schedule swings later and later out of control for a few weeks. I'll get five hours of sleep and be more tired than a zombie all day long, then around 11 pm I'm wide awake and can't sleep until even later than the night before.

Don't you love it when friends, family, and coworkers are all, "Well, just try harder to go to bed early. I have a hard time too but you can do it." Hadn't thought of that one!

They say that both intelligent and creative people tend to stay up later than most though wink

3 something is pretty good!
It's 3:30 now, My goal is 4:30 today.
We'll see....

Feb 19 13 12:30 am Link

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Paolo Diavolo

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Martinez, California, US

Nemi wrote:

3 something is pretty good!
It's 3:30 now, My goal is 4:30 today.
We'll see....

you can do it!!!!

Feb 19 13 01:28 am Link

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MesmerEyes Photography

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Tyler, Texas, US

chasecaleb wrote:
Story of my life. It's 2-something and I MAY miraculously fall asleep within an hour. I have delayed sleep phase syndrome. The fun part is that there isn't essentially isn't any medicine to help or lifestyle changes to counteract it. I'll manage to fall asleep at 2 or 3 for three days straight and be so happy about that, then suddenly I can't fall asleep before 6 am. Then BOOM, my sleep schedule swings later and later out of control for a few weeks. I'll get five hours of sleep and be more tired than a zombie all day long, then around 11 pm I'm wide awake and can't sleep until even later than the night before.

Don't you love it when friends, family, and coworkers are all, "Well, just try harder to go to bed early. I have a hard time too but you can do it." Hadn't thought of that one!


They say that both intelligent and creative people tend to stay up later than most though wink

It must be doubly tough going to sleep if you are both intelligent and creative.

Nemi wrote:
3 something is pretty good!
It's 3:30 now, My goal is 4:30 today.
We'll see....

I feel you.

Feb 19 13 01:51 am Link

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chasecaleb

Posts: 154

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Fell asleep around 3. Woke up a few times. Still didn't get out of bed until well after noon. Don't ask me how that works!

Feb 19 13 11:21 am Link

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Leo Howard

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Phoenix, Arizona, US

I don't sleep anymore, haven't really slept in the past 2 or 3 years, I have had troubles going back as far as 15 years ago. I can go to bed at 9pm, be out in minutes and awake an hour later and not go back to sleep, I function on an average of about 2 hours of sleep each night, there have been times I was awake for 3 or 4 days straight, this was okay when I was 20, but now that I am on the door step of 50, its not so much fun anymore.

I have tried everything no script you can think of, nothing works, at best it may work for 1 or 2 nights and then nothing, I haven't tried prescription drugs as I am pretty much anti drug, well I did let the Dr prescribe one med that had a really bad effect on me, it didn't do much for my sleeping but it did drag me down into a serious depression and I was very quick to become enraged, so I stopped taking it.

I long for a good nights sleep on a regular basis.

I have come to the conclusion that my inability to sleep is health related, High Blood Pressure, High Blood Sugar, early stages of neuropathy in my feet. HBP & HBS both can cause insomnia, and insomnia can contribute to HBP and HBS, I am working on getting these under control, but its a long slow battler.

Feb 19 13 12:20 pm Link