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Forums > Model Colloquy > Model Protection

Model

Anna Von Leigh

Posts: 120

Chico, California, US

Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?


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Feb 13 13 10:17 am Link

Model

T A Y L O R

Posts: 2977

Austin, Texas, US

I have some mace on my keychain. I bring that everywhere.

Otherwise I check references.

Feb 13 13 10:19 am Link

Photographer

Yan Tan Tethera

Posts: 4184

Biggleswade, England, United Kingdom

I bring my magic wand.

Hate it when Bellatrix brings the dark lord as her escort.

Feb 13 13 10:20 am Link

Photographer

Designit - Edward Olson

Posts: 1637

Eureka, California, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?

This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p

*please don't make this into a gun debate*

Yeah, this is going to turn into a gun debate.

Feb 13 13 10:21 am Link

Photographer

Jackson frontier photos

Posts: 531

Joplin, Missouri, US

I recommend a tactical nuclear device. Wow, just sucks that this enters the mind, don't blame anyone and wish our experience led to more trust and less suspicion.

Feb 13 13 10:24 am Link

Model

angel emily

Posts: 1020

Boston, Massachusetts, US

No.

Feb 13 13 10:28 am Link

Model

Anna Von Leigh

Posts: 120

Chico, California, US

Feb 13 13 10:29 am Link

Photographer

Azimuth Arts

Posts: 1490

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.

Where are you going to carry a weapon while doing a nude shoot in the woods? 

I prefer that models not be carrying any weapons while shooting, it distracts from the fashion (or lack thereof for nude shoots). 

In every studio shoot I have done the model's purse is usually 30 feet from where the model is for most of the shoot.  Maybe it will be of use to you as you travel the streets on the way to or from the shoot, but it will be useless to you once on set. 

Surely any alleged photographer who intends to harm you will wait until you are nude or scantily dressed and yards from your protection before attempting anything untoward.  Do your research in advance.  If when you get there you have a bad feeling leave, otherwise just do everything you would do to prepare (or arm) yourself when you are going shopping, on a date or to work.

Just my $0.02

Feb 13 13 10:30 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22609

Salem, Oregon, US

photographers have this concern about their models (and especially anyone else the model might want to bring to the set). we all want to stay safe and not get robbed, etc.

i've only heard one horror story (rape on a bondage shoot) based on things models have told me.

and so far having done lots of shoots i haven't had any significant trouble with a model or escort.

but if i had a daughter pursuing the sexier side of modeling then i would advise due diligence and caution. some of those guys want POV without telling the model it will be POV!

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p

Feb 13 13 10:31 am Link

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Photographer

GPS Studio Services

Posts: 36293

San Francisco, California, US

Have we gotten to the point where we need weapons to protect ourselves from each other?

Feb 13 13 10:32 am Link

Model

Anna Von Leigh

Posts: 120

Chico, California, US

I agree with doing your research, absolutely. I was just curious as to what people's thoughts were on the subject smile

Feb 13 13 10:32 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22609

Salem, Oregon, US

i think some of the most dangerous people are also the most charming. so maybe the moral of the story is to watch out for people who seem too good to be true (come on too strong, always have an answer for everything). get yourself a good BS meter in other words. real people are kind of messy, not glossy and slick.

regarding weaponry is that going to help if you are busy modeling and a 240 pound photographer suddenly attacks you? you're probably better off with some kind of fight training. go to one of those seminars about how to get your attacker to let go.

and if my model shows up packing heat and knives (unless it's a prop) i'm out of there!

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
I agree with doing your research, absolutely. I was just curious as to what people's thoughts were on the subject smile

Feb 13 13 10:34 am Link

Model

Envy

Posts: 11189

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?

This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p

*please don't make this into a gun debate*

The true weirdos are the ones who carry an arsenal of weapons to a photoshoot rather than check references like a normal sane person.

Feb 13 13 10:36 am Link

Model

Phane

Posts: 2048

Rockville, Maryland, US

check references or just work with experienced photogs




if your scared this may not be the profession for you

Feb 13 13 10:37 am Link

Photographer

dcsmooth

Posts: 1190

Detroit, Michigan, US

I think every woman and teenage girl should carry pepper spray or mace everywhere she goes. It is unfortunate, but necessary. Learning self-defense techniques is a great idea as well.

But if you seriously feel that you need to carry weapons of any type to a photo shoot, only because it is a photo shoot, then perhaps you should not be modeling. 

If you are not comfortable with the people you will be working with after checking several references of other models they have worked with in the past, then pass on that assignment and find someone else to work with.

Feb 13 13 10:37 am Link

Model

Anna Von Leigh

Posts: 120

Chico, California, US

"

The true weirdos are the ones who carry an arsenal of weapons to a photoshoot rather than check references like a normal sane person.

"

Hey, I never said I was sane!

Haha, honestly though, unless I could spray someone in the eyes with hairspray or use a bobbypin as a weapon I'm useless. I just wanted to see others opinions on the subject.

Feb 13 13 10:39 am Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 8492

Los Angeles, California, US

SianLamere wrote:
check references or just work with experienced photogs
if your scared this may not be the profession for you

Agreed !

KM

Feb 13 13 10:40 am Link

Clothing Designer

Chain Reaction

Posts: 529

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
I agree with doing your research, absolutely. I was just curious as to what people's thoughts were on the subject smile

I think if you feel the need to bring a gun then you shouldn't be going to the shoot in the first place.

Feb 13 13 10:41 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
I agree with doing your research, absolutely. I was just curious as to what people's thoughts were on the subject smile

My thoughts? This wouldn't turn into a gun debate nearly as fast as a debate about paranoia and ludicrous thinking.

And you do realize, OP, that photographers vet models just as models should be vetting photographers. And when they do a check of forum threads/posts, they will see that you posted this.

IMHO, I would NEVER work with a person who has the issues you do. Never.

Feb 13 13 10:42 am Link

Photographer

The Signature Image

Posts: 12055

Gorham, Maine, US

What kind of weapon do you take with you to your regular job? Surely you must need protection from your boss and the other male employees?

Same question for when you go to the dentist? The doctor?

What on God's green Earth makes you think every man in the world is after you to the point where you need a weapon when you attend a shoot?

Feb 13 13 10:44 am Link

Model

Anna Von Leigh

Posts: 120

Chico, California, US

salvatori. wrote:

My thoughts? This wouldn't turn into a gun debate nearly as fast as a debate about paranoia and ludicrous thinking.

And you do realize, OP, that photographers vet models just as models should be vetting photographers. And when they do a check of forum threads/posts, they will see that you posted this.

IMHO, I would NEVER work with a person who has the issues you do. Never.

If you would have read my previous reply you would have seen that I posted this mainly to start a discussion and to see what other people thought about the subject. It's hard to read sarcasm, but my initial post had a lot in it.

I'm not paranoid, and I don't carry weapons.

Feb 13 13 10:46 am Link

Photographer

Fotografica Gregor

Posts: 4122

Alexandria, Virginia, US

If I were shooting nude models in semi-public places,  it is always possible that authorities of one type or another may be attracted to the scene.  The model had best be sure not to be violating local laws with her choice of weaponry smile  in many places - especially parks - even a little mace spray is illegal.....  and would be much more serious than being told to either put clothes on or be more discrete.....

the same goes true for any recreational substances - I am not against them smile  just don't bring them along where unwanted attention might happen -

when I am shooting otherwise, I am shooting in a professional studio with professional management on site.  Weapons of any kind are not allowed.

I can certainly understand where a model might feel a need for self protection -

what I admittedly do not understand is why a model would put herself in a situation where she felt unsafe -  just because someone asks does not mean you have to do it......

in my case I invite anyone to check my very extensive references with well known models.....   if that's not enough please pass me by - no escorts, or weapons, are allowed on my set, or with me when shooting on location.

Feb 13 13 10:49 am Link

Photographer

Marc Damon

Posts: 6562

Biloxi, Mississippi, US

If society continues heading into the downward spiral, procreation as we know it will cease to exist because all seven billion people on this rock will adopt the same motto: Trust No One.

Any photographer here own one of these? I don't.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzjyidXhUP1rnzkwmo1_500.jpg

Feb 13 13 10:49 am Link

Photographer

HM-Photography

Posts: 255

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.

Aside from the obvious grammar issues, why is a "tfp" shoot more dangerous than a paid one???  hmm

Feb 13 13 10:50 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:

If you would have read my previous reply you would have seen that I posted this mainly to start a discussion and to see what other people thought about the subject. It's hard to read sarcasm, but my initial post had a lot in it.

I'm not paranoid, and I don't carry weapons.

I will be honest with you. I am not ridiculing your writing ability, but I see ZERO sarcasm in your initial post. IMHO, you may want to edit it so that it is more clear that that was your intention.

Feb 13 13 10:51 am Link

Photographer

SME

Posts: 21033

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

I once had a model pull a concealed weapon for which he did not have a permit, to show it off, without any kind of warning.  If I had been alone on set, I probably would have locked myself in the bathroom and called the police.  It scared the bejeezus out of me.

So, the moral of that story, I guess, is that unexpected weapons brandishment can be extremely effective in clearing the room of a photographer!  wink

Feb 13 13 10:51 am Link

Photographer

money_train

Posts: 51

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

call the police 10 mins earlier before you meet the photographer, sounds a good idea?

Feb 13 13 10:51 am Link

Photographer

Fotografica Gregor

Posts: 4122

Alexandria, Virginia, US

HM-Photography wrote:
Aside from the obvious grammar issues, why is a "tfp" shoot more dangerous than a paid one???  hmm

Absolutely - all of the most dangerous predators I've heard about had very nice portfolios and paid models very well......

Feb 13 13 10:51 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

HM-Photography wrote:

Aside from the obvious grammar issues, why is a "tfp" shoot more dangerous than a paid one???  hmm

I did wonder about this myself, but in light of the OP saying there was 'sarcasm' in her OP, I am not sure what to think...

O_o

Feb 13 13 10:52 am Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 12831

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Self defense 101, don't put yourself in a situation where you feel you need pepper spray.

Feb 13 13 10:52 am Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:

If you would have read my previous reply you would have seen that I posted this mainly to start a discussion and to see what other people thought about the subject. It's hard to read sarcasm, but my initial post had a lot in it.

I'm not paranoid, and I don't carry weapons.

I'm usually pretty good at picking up sarcasm. And if the OP was meant as a tongue-in-cheek or satirical statement on absurdity of model thoughts on protection, it could have been done much more effectively. Something like this...

"So...I'm looking for some help.

I have a nude shoot coming up next week and I'm torn between the Tek-9 or Mac 10. I know both have their pros & cons but I usually just carry a knife from the Gil Hibben "Rambo" collection. But I'm thinking it will cut up my entire wardrobe when I'm traipsing through the woods with my weekend bag.

But, like they say, the best defense is a good offense so maybe I just need to pick up a good holster for it.

What weapon do you use for protection on your shoots?"

That would be sarcasm.

Feb 13 13 10:59 am Link

Model

DaniNikole

Posts: 129

Sacramento, California, US

I always check references, bring pepper spray, text all my friends and family the times and location and name of person I am shooting with just in case. I'm not paranoid, I would expect someone to do the same to me. You never know nowadays. But I'm also that girl who can't go to the bathroom alone in a public place

Feb 13 13 10:59 am Link

Photographer

toesup

Posts: 1050

Templeton, California, US

If you felt there was a need for some form of self protection on a shoot, then you should not be at that shoot in the first place.. be it TFP or paid..

Feb 13 13 11:00 am Link

Photographer

Connor Photography

Posts: 6586

Elkton, Maryland, US

SianLamere wrote:
check references or just work with experienced photogs

if your scared this may not be the profession for you

X100.  Trust you instinct, if you don't feel good about your photographer, don't work with him or her.  Walk out if anything seems go wrong.

Feb 13 13 11:01 am Link

Photographer

nyk fury

Posts: 2918

Port Townsend, Washington, US

perhaps MM should add 'weapons' to our profile 'details'.

Feb 13 13 11:01 am Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Does a model carrying a weapon really think they can react faster than it takes for me to place the Cloroform over their nose and mouth? smh...silly silly.

Feb 13 13 11:05 am Link

Model

Dekilah

Posts: 4890

Detroit, Michigan, US

When I do shoots in out of the way locations, I do take a few extra safety precautions:

- Generally, I only do these with photographers I have worked with before or who have at least a couple good references from models I know and respect the opinion of.

- I get the address of the location in advance and send it to a couple people just in case, if the photographer refused to give it I would see that as a red flag.

- I usually set up a time to text or call someone after the shoot and when we are getting close to that time, if it appears we may run over, I remind the photographer that I need to make the call so I need to be in service. Most photographers are really, really understanding about this.

- I have someone drive me to the shoot and drop me off if I can, though sometimes the photographer has been my transportation.

- I trust my instincts. If I feel at all iffy about communications prior to the shoot, I do not do it.

Feb 13 13 11:06 am Link

Photographer

KMP

Posts: 4823

Houston, Texas, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?

This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p

*please don't make this into a gun debate*

If a model (or anyone) brought a gun to my studio, they'd be so FUCKING OUTTA THERE....it wouldn't be funny!!   
I have a zero tolerance for that. 

MHO....If you don't want to generate a gun debate, don't frame your OP around being armed.

Feb 13 13 11:07 am Link

Photographer

salvatori.

Posts: 3836

Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, US

Reading threads like this one, I am amazed that I ever get any women to show up for my shoots...

tongue

Feb 13 13 11:09 am Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Dekilah wrote:
When I do shoots in out of the way locations, I do take a few extra safety precautions:

- Generally, I only do these with photographers I have worked with before or who have at least a couple good references from models I know and respect the opinion of.

- I get the address of the location in advance and send it to a couple people just in case, if the photographer refused to give it I would see that as a red flag.

- I usually set up a time to text or call someone after the shoot and when we are getting close to that time, if it appears we may run over, I remind the photographer that I need to make the call so I need to be in service. Most photographers are really, really understanding about this.

- I have someone drive me to the shoot and drop me off if I can, though sometimes the photographer has been my transportation.

- I trust my instincts. If I feel at all iffy about communications prior to the shoot, I do not do it.

If we're shooting in Highland Park, I will discard my "no weapons for models" clause.

Feb 13 13 11:13 am Link