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Model

Cole Morrison

Posts: 3958

Portland, Oregon, US

I have pepperspray in my purse, but I bring it everywhere I go. So if I bring my purse, its with me. I've never felt a need to use it or take it out during a photoshoot.

Feb 13 13 04:31 pm Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 27976

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:

I've shot with hundreds of models in the Untied States over the past 30 years.  I've never known any of them to carry a weapon to the shoot.  If any of them did, they must have kept it well hidden!!!   yikes

All the nonsense you read on the Internet about America is exaggerated greatly by the media.  A few incidences are magnified to appear like it's a common occurrence, when in fact it is very rare.

+1

Feb 13 13 04:31 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 42738

Salinas, California, US

One of my buddies IS a former San Jose cop.  When he was off duty, I invited him over to my apartment to loan him my lighting.  He parked in a spot where a tenet's spot was.  The guy came out and yelled at him ... instead of pulling out his badge and saying "I'm a cop!  What are you going to do about it?"  He said "Clam down!  If you are that pissed off, go ahead and call the cops."  He then turned and smiled at me.  lol

Feb 13 13 04:36 pm Link

Photographer

PhotographybyT

Posts: 7692

Monterey, California, US

Patrick Walberg wrote:

You know this location!  A buddy of mine was shooting with a female model in her bikini out there on Monterey beach when he noticed cop cars pulling up along the side of Del Monte Av. ... he was nervous at first, but she said "Oh those are my partners at work!"  She then introduced him to a few of the officers.  They were just curious to see how the session was going.  It seems she didn't tell him until than that she was a cop!  She wasn't carrying her gun though.  wink

In 30 years of shooting, I've never "known" a model to be carrying a weapon.

I could see a prank being set up in this situation. (lol)

Feb 13 13 04:37 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 42738

Salinas, California, US

"Model Protection" = "How to fear monger!"   

If someone is so afraid of photographers OR llamas that they feel the need to arm themselves, then perhaps they should stay home?  Meeting new people is risky.  You might get your feelings hurt, your heart broken or worse.   I choose to take a chance on people, and for the most part, I've not been let down by but a few.  smile

Feb 13 13 04:41 pm Link

Photographer

Dannielle Levan

Posts: 12857

New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada

Sorry, i'm immune to pepper spray and idiots.

Feb 13 13 04:43 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 42738

Salinas, California, US

PhotographybyT wrote:
I could see a prank being set up in this situation. (lol)

Apparently the Monterey PD has no issue with an attractive officer being photographed in a swim suit.  Telling my buddy wasn't something she felt was important before the shoot!  Yes, it could have been a http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngprank ...  fortunately they weren't that mean! lol

Feb 13 13 04:45 pm Link

Photographer

B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

SianLamere wrote:
if your scared this may not be the profession for you

+1



Here's an excellent post by Madame Bink, one of the best known and most successful art nude models in the UK. She's been modelling (mostly nude) for 6 years and has never had a serious problem with a photographer because she uses her head and takes reasonable precautions, including checking references, before working with somebody for the first time.

Starting Modelling: Staying Safe - by Madame Bink


Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Feb 13 13 04:48 pm Link

Photographer

Fred Ackerman

Posts: 273

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Some years back there was a rash of news stories about babies either being abused or ignored by their sitters. Some recommended hidden cameras to catch those 'babysitters'. After a few months of sensationalized home videos of bad sitters hit the airwaves a security specialist spoke up. Simply he said, "if you think you need to set up a camera, you hired the wrong person". Check references carefully, leave the .38 Special at home.

Feb 13 13 05:00 pm Link

Photographer

Wolfy4u

Posts: 1103

Grand Junction, Colorado, US

Creating the best photographs is all about trust and cooperation. I would think that
if you have enough doubts about the photographer that you feel you need a weapon, then there's probably no chance of decent images.

Feb 13 13 05:12 pm Link

Photographer

Image Studios

Posts: 177

Marengo, Illinois, US

Dani Nikole Feist wrote:
I always check references, bring pepper spray, text all my friends and family the times and location and name of person I am shooting with just in case. I'm not paranoid, I would expect someone to do the same to me. You never know nowadays. But I'm also that girl who can't go to the bathroom alone in a public place

Now that sounds like good advice. Especially letting others know who and where you are shooting.
Pepper spray is good on outdoor shoots in case of a wild dog or something. You could protect me.

Feb 13 13 05:24 pm Link

Model

Big A-Larger Than Life

Posts: 33411

The Woodlands, Texas, US

Azimuth Arts wrote:

Where are you going to carry a weapon while doing a nude shoot in the woods? 

I prefer that models not be carrying any weapons while shooting, it distracts from the fashion (or lack thereof for nude shoots).

I just rip a tree out of the ground and beat my tog with it if they act up.  Back yonder in my day, togs were seen and not heard!

And how do weapons distract from the fashion?  Bazookas are freaking haute.  cool

Feb 13 13 05:28 pm Link

Photographer

Image Studios

Posts: 177

Marengo, Illinois, US

hs photography wrote:

You might want to check CA state law on switchblades.  I think they're illegal.

They are not switchblades now they are spring assisted.

Feb 13 13 05:36 pm Link

Photographer

L Cowles Photography

Posts: 833

Corona, California, US

Marc Damon wrote:
If society continues heading into the downward spiral, procreation as we know it will cease to exist because all seven billion people on this rock will adopt the same motto: Trust No One.

Any photographer here own one of these? I don't.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzjyidXhUP1rnzkwmo1_500.jpg

Hi capacity magazines are going to be against the law.

Feb 13 13 05:48 pm Link

Photographer

hs photography

Posts: 468

Houston, Texas, US

Image Studios wrote:

They are not switchblades now they are spring assisted.

Aina Nudes said switchblade, not me and I do believe switchblades are illegal.

Feb 13 13 06:01 pm Link

Photographer

Digiography

Posts: 3353

Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada

Leone P wrote:
The whole gun argument is a moot point in the UK. Nobody carries a gun and if you are seen with one, you will serve a hefty sentence in a cell!

natural beauties of qld wrote:
I am thankful that I live in a country where the carrying of mace, pepper spray, pistols, revolvers, tasers, and concealable weapons in general are criminal offences in themselves.

+1

I'm so glad I live where I don't have to worry about this scenario happening to me, I can't even fathom such a situation, sad that people live in situations where they feel the need for such weaponry.

Feb 13 13 06:04 pm Link

Clothing Designer

JohnnySkein

Posts: 4

Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.

This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p

*please don't make this into a gun debate*

so where exactly are you planning to hide this...

Feb 13 13 06:24 pm Link

Photographer

Patrick Walberg

Posts: 42738

Salinas, California, US

Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:

I just rip a tree out of the ground and beat my tog with it if they act up.  Back yonder in my day, togs were seen and not heard!

And how do weapons distract from the fashion?  Bazookas are freaking haute.  cool

Hmmm ...  "bazookas?"  Sound like an interesting shoot idea! 

http://www.nicolasroos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bazooka-1.jpg


Just don't point that thing at me!   lol

Feb 13 13 08:10 pm Link

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Photographer

Rays Fine Art

Posts: 6308

New York, New York, US

I haven't read the whole thread but since I still even at my advanced age occasionally pick a modeling gig, I'm going to chip in:

I sincerely hope that on any shoot on which I'm working in any capacity, the photographer would immediately fire anyone bringing any sort of weapon or other device on the set "for his/her protection" because I would walk off the set if he did not.

My opinion is that if I or anyone else, is too lazy or too foolish to perform the simple checks that almost all of us rely on, due diligence, reference checking, etc. to protect ourselves, then that person almost certainly will also be too foolish or too lazy to learn to use the device properly.  Just as I would not remain in the vicinity of a rattlesnake or a skunk, I won't willingly remain in the vicinity of such a person.  It's not that the animal is bad or vicious, it's that its own fear renders the poor thing dangerous.

I've been using this philosophy for well over a half century and I haven't been bit, sprayed or shot yet.  Seems to work pretty well.

Feb 13 13 08:13 pm Link

Photographer

Jhono Bashian

Posts: 2432

Cleveland, Ohio, US

Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?


*EDITED*

So the headlines will read "model shoots photographer with MP-5 during nude photo session"
film at 11 o'clock news

Feb 13 13 08:19 pm Link

Photographer

bw fotograf

Posts: 209

Plano, Texas, US

these threads kill me. LOL.

allow me a bit of leeway to be crude here, but does the word "model" put thoughts into a girl's head that she's automatically way hotter and more desirable than the ass that any given photographer is already tapping? get over yourself.

as i've told several fear-mongering local models already, you have my name, my number, my home address. google my web footprint and decide for yourself. i know JACK SHIT about you. i'm the one that should be concerned.

Feb 13 13 08:25 pm Link

Photographer

JaneyGarnet

Posts: 85

Portland, Oregon, US

I think there's a huge gender divide here.  Models, in general, are female.  Photographers,in general, are male. Women, in general, have reason to be more concerned with their personal safety than men.  Men, in general, are good guys, but women, in general, can't afford to treat men in general as if they are.  If you can follow my tortured syntax.

My advice, if you are that concerned, is to always meet in a public place, preferably one where the staff know you.  Have your butchest friend on standby. Call him or her with an address before you go anywhere with anyone. Set a time to check in by, and have them call the police/show up threateningly if you do not check in.  Do not go anywhere with anyone if they give you a hinky feeling.  If something seems off, excuse yourself as soon as possible.

But give men a chance. Most are decent people.

Feb 13 13 10:01 pm Link

Model

Kozmina

Posts: 6534

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Randall_Oelerich wrote:

You carry one with you always-- your foot. If women only knew how powerful a good kick in the crotch is, utterly debilitating to a guy, brings him to his knees for some time.

Not always true.

When I was dancing I had a custy that liked being kicked in the nuts. Didn't hurt him one bit.

Knew a guy that was an uber martial arts fantatic and had the whole "mind over matter" thing when it came to pain. You could kick him in the nuts all you want and wouldn't phase him.

Feb 13 13 10:30 pm Link

Model

Kozmina

Posts: 6534

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Amanda Logue.

Yup. Made me think of the new show on the Bio channel.

http://www.biography.com/tv/model-kille … auty-queen

First episode tells about how "scarey" it is for a model.




(Cliff notes-Model kills husband and eats him for dinner.Yeah,its the photogs that are oh so scarey)

Feb 13 13 10:37 pm Link

Photographer

Image Works Photography

Posts: 2890

Orlando, Florida, US

Models are not the only ones to be concerned about safety. Photographers also carry a lot of valueable equipment. The best bet is to check references and also google the name if possible.

Feb 13 13 10:40 pm Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Turn up to my studio with a gun or pepper-spray in your bag and I'm calling the police as both are prohibited here.

If you genuinely feel the need to carry a weapon to a shoot (and by this I mean for your safety in the studio, not merely travelling to and from the shoot) then you're in the wrong business or you need to move to a safer country - or both.

Feb 14 13 12:29 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

I'm a firm believer that women, models or not, should always be carrying pepper spray - and a concealed gun, if they're stable and trained to use it correctly. Self-defense classes are also a good idea.  This is not in regards to modelling or photoshoots, just life in general.

While not -everyone- is bad and scary, the world is a pretty bad place at times. I am an advocate of self-protection and not being a victim or statistic.

Feb 14 13 04:31 am Link

Photographer

name removed3

Posts: 264

Boston, Massachusetts, US

vagina w teeth is good

Feb 14 13 04:42 am Link

Photographer

Decay of Memory

Posts: 600

Asheville, North Carolina, US

KonstantKarma wrote:
I'm a firm believer that women, models or not, should always be carrying pepper spray - and a concealed gun, if they're stable and trained to use it correctly. Self-defense classes are also a good idea.  This is not in regards to modelling or photoshoots, just life in general.

While not -everyone- is bad and scary, the world is a pretty bad place at times. I am an advocate of self-protection and not being a victim or statistic.

Works for me, but it's settin a pretty high bar for some of these folks.

Feb 14 13 04:43 am Link

Photographer

D-Light

Posts: 618

Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland

Why are you doing a nude shoot, in the woods, with a total stranger, as a TFP?

Even if it's a clothed studio shoot, how will you get your weapon, when there's a problem? Will you put an AK47 down your bra or something similar? On a PVC shoot, how would you conceal your weapon?

I think you have a number of options, if you feel the need to bring a weapon on a shoot; 1) give up modeling, 2) don't shoot with strangers, 3) dont' do nude shoots, 4) don't shoot in the woods or 5) learn self defence. Bringing an escort would also help but a lot of photographers will not shoot with you then.

Exactly how dangerous is living in the USA? Do guns solve every problem or do they make them worse?

Feb 14 13 04:48 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

Decay of Memory wrote:

Works for me, but it's settin a pretty high bar for some of these folks.

lol true..true.

Feb 14 13 05:49 am Link

Photographer

KonstantKarma

Posts: 2513

Hickory, North Carolina, US

D-Light wrote:
Exactly how dangerous is living in the USA? Do guns solve every problem or do they make them worse?

Reported assault statistics are very high. And obviously, there is underreporting as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_reporting

Does money solve every problem or does it make them worse? We're talking about tools here. Tools don't have a brain.  They only do what you use them to do - Money can start a charity or fund a terrorist organization. The one who holds it is the decider.

Feb 14 13 05:52 am Link

Model

-Jen-

Posts: 46835

Howell, Michigan, US

toesup wrote:
If you felt there was a need for some form of self protection on a shoot, then you should not be at that shoot in the first place.. be it TFP or paid..

EXACTLY!

Feb 14 13 06:20 am Link

Photographer

JimBobLc

Posts: 199

Martinsburg, West Virginia, US

Getting an untraceable weapon always a hassle for would-be-murderers. However if the victim brings her own weapon that isn't traceable to the murderer and she probably doesn't know how or is unwilling to use (takes some guts to shoot someone) voila now there is a weapon that cannot be traced to the murderer. We have gwc, now we have gwg (girl with gun).  Seems like great match...

Feb 14 13 06:25 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

KonstantKarma wrote:
While not -everyone- is bad and scary, the world is a pretty bad place at times. I am an advocate of self-protection and not being a victim or statistic.

Your world maybe - ours is fine by comparison. big_smile

Feb 14 13 08:51 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22606

Salem, Oregon, US

i had my car robbed once in san francisco and had a BBQ grill stolen off my back patio and the side window smashed in an old, barely running Subaru but otherwise i've never had any trouble. i've wandered around new york and chicago and have even been in east st. louis and survived. but maybe it's different for PYTs.

KonstantKarma wrote:
While not -everyone- is bad and scary, the world is a pretty bad place at times. I am an advocate of self-protection and not being a victim or statistic.

Feb 14 13 09:02 am Link

Photographer

bw fotograf

Posts: 209

Plano, Texas, US

RKD Photographic wrote:
Your world maybe - ours is fine by comparison. big_smile

our world is just FINE. hundreds of thousands of women will go to a bar every night and go home drunk with some guy they just met, but taking pictures is the SCARIEST THING IN THE WORLD.

Feb 14 13 09:15 am Link

Photographer

DBVE Imaging

Posts: 1907

Fort Worth, Texas, US

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Amanda Logue.

Us old timers on here well remember her.

Feb 14 13 09:22 am Link

Photographer

hbutz New York

Posts: 3236

Ronkonkoma, New York, US

In a recent study, 84 percent of the women who are raped knew their assailant.

Be safe.  Only model for complete strangers.

Feb 14 13 10:07 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

bw fotograf wrote:

our world is just FINE. hundreds of thousands of women will go to a bar every night and go home drunk with some guy they just met, but taking pictures is the SCARIEST THING IN THE WORLD.

Ohhhh THAT world... Yeah that one's just fine...big_smile

Feb 14 13 10:36 am Link