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Model

Marlow Rae

Posts: 113

Seattle, Washington, US

I'm a little worried about a shoot I have coming up. The photographer has a concept he'd like to work with, but he would also like to just shoot me in "heels and a dress". I have a fairly offbeat sense of style (metalhead/witchy), and after taking a closer look at his portfolio it seems as though he'd like me to wear something pretty basic, rather boring...I don't even own a normal pair of heels!

What should I do about this? I feel like if I show up in something that is more "me" it will disappoint him, but buying new clothing to please photographers has not been a good idea in the past. Advice?

Feb 21 13 10:01 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

Let the tog know that isn't your style and back out.

Feb 21 13 10:05 pm Link

Model

Kendra from Canada

Posts: 442

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

ask him to send you a couple shots of the style he is hoping for  and then grab a couple things at a thrift store or borrow from a friend,
I would also ask to shoot some of your style clothing, I'm sure you both will get what you need if you clarify a few things before hand.

Feb 21 13 10:06 pm Link

Model

Christinare

Posts: 116

Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US

Just communicate. Exchange pictures that represent what kind of images you're after.  Make sure you're both on the same page before you shoot!

Feb 21 13 10:15 pm Link

Photographer

Mortonovich II

Posts: 717

San Diego, California, US

Christinare wrote:
Just communicate. Exchange pictures that represent what kind of images you're after.  Make sure you're both on the same page before you shoot!

Yes, exactly. Get on the same page. If you both go in with different expectations it's going to suck ass. It'd be like two musicians showing up and playing different songs.

Feb 21 13 10:18 pm Link

Model

Kitty LaRose

Posts: 12727

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Communication is essential. Don't be afraid to be really specific. smile

Feb 21 13 10:23 pm Link

Photographer

MichaelClements

Posts: 1739

Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

Suck it up! Ask him if he has a stylist to supply garments, if not cancel and move on.

Feb 21 13 10:25 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

Lee N wrote:
I'm a little worried about a shoot I have coming up. The photographer has a concept he'd like to work with, but he would also like to just shoot me in "heels and a dress". I have a fairly offbeat sense of style (metalhead/witchy), and after taking a closer look at his portfolio it seems as though he'd like me to wear something pretty basic, rather boring...I don't even own a normal pair of heels!

What should I do about this? I feel like if I show up in something that is more "me" it will disappoint him, but buying new clothing to please photographers has not been a good idea in the past. Advice?

is it paid?

Feb 21 13 10:36 pm Link

Photographer

MK Images Hawaii

Posts: 145

Honolulu, Hawaii, US

Modeling isn't always about expressing "who you are". Sometimes it's about embracing what you are not.

As for buying clothes...get it from a store that accepts returns. Tags can be photoshopped out.  I'm just sayin...

Feb 22 13 12:57 am Link

Photographer

Bravo Magic Images

Posts: 765

Temple City, California, US

If this is a paid shoot just go to the nearest Thrift store get a cheap dress and some 3 dollar high heels and do your thing. Get your pay and have fun.

Feb 22 13 01:07 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

A model I know has only one pair of 'heels' - since she never wears them to walk in, she simply spray-paints them according to the outfit she's planning to wear.

Also if you're a 'model', then you should have more than one 'look' IMO. The ability to transform your look to meet the expectations of the photographer will also help you get more work offers...
Try to do something other than the way you normally represent yourself. Otherwise all you're getting is a series of nice portraits of 'you'.

There are a lot of steampunk/goth models around here, none of whom are willing to shoot anything other than that look. If people don't want to shoot steampunk/goth, guess what? They never get a call. Most still only have maybe two or three shoots under their belts after a couple of years.

Putting down 'portrait-fashion' as your preferred shooting-styles and then refusing to shoot anything other than the one or two outfits in your wardrobe is ever so slightly limiting, I think.

Feb 22 13 01:24 am Link

Photographer

Neil Snape

Posts: 9474

Paris, Île-de-France, France

A model who knows what she or he wants in pictures is often much more interesting than those who don't. Say it for what it is, regardless if it is paid or not.

You might be surprised yet the photographer may be very happy you did.

If not it is not a loss for you, unless it was paid.,

Feb 22 13 01:31 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Neil Snape wrote:
A model who knows what she or he wants in pictures is often much more interesting than those who don't. Say it for what it is, regardless if it is paid or not.

True, but a model who 'knows what she wants' but who is inflexible when it comes to the photographer's ideas is a PITA - or a paying-client... big_smile

Feb 22 13 01:58 am Link

Photographer

Maloby

Posts: 7

Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom

I only shoot fashion and I don’t provide the clothes. I can never get models to just lay the outfit they want on a bed (as it would be better lit than being on the floor) and take a snap with a camera phone.

One model was very helpful and got her man to take pics in her outfits. This highlighted that she had heels with a square front – I rejected these because they could cause weird flash reflections.

A picture says a thousand words – especially for clothing items. Quirky clothes can cause quirky (potentially great) results so you must communicate what you have.

This very experienced model said she brought these shoes to every shoot. She also had hairbands, sunglasses, earings, lengths of ribbon (that she customised a blouse by making a bow-tie!). You sound creative, take creative things with you, he can only say no.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130216/12/511fee633f078.jpg

P.S.  you have a very beautiful neck this alone would make me want to work with you.

Feb 22 13 02:04 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11940

Olivet, Michigan, US

Christinare wrote:
Just communicate. Exchange pictures that represent what kind of images you're after.  Make sure you're both on the same page before you shoot!

This.  You should both get something worthwhile to you, and it might be necessary to cancel, but it seems silly to cancel because there might be an issue.  Just ask, with pictures.

Feb 22 13 03:28 am Link

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Model

Koryn

Posts: 37570

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Being what you are not is just an aspect of modeling. Get used to it. Start stocking up on more conventional"glamorous" clothing f
from thrift shops. You will need it, and can resale the items once you stop modeling.

Feb 22 13 04:15 am Link

Model

Angie Borras

Posts: 1923

Kissimmee, Florida, US

MK Images Hawaii wrote:
Modeling isn't always about expressing "who you are". Sometimes it's about embracing what you are not.

As for buying clothes...get it from a store that accepts returns. Tags can be photoshopped out.  I'm just sayin...

Ugh don't do this this is tacky.  Coming from someone who used to work retail lots of stores are only offering store credit and no longer refunding money because of this  practice of people buying stuff wearing and returning.

Feb 22 13 04:35 am Link

Model

Angie Borras

Posts: 1923

Kissimmee, Florida, US

RKD Photographic wrote:
A model I know has only one pair of 'heels' - since she never wears them to walk in, she simply spray-paints them according to the outfit she's planning to wear.

Also if you're a 'model', then you should have more than one 'look' IMO. The ability to transform your look to meet the expectations of the photographer will also help you get more work offers...
Try to do something other than the way you normally represent yourself. Otherwise all you're getting is a series of nice portraits of 'you'.

There are a lot of steampunk/goth models around here, none of whom are willing to shoot anything other than that look. If people don't want to shoot steampunk/goth, guess what? They never get a call. Most still only have maybe two or three shoots under their belts after a couple of years.

Putting down 'portrait-fashion' as your preferred shooting-styles and then refusing to shoot anything other than the one or two outfits in your wardrobe is ever so slightly limiting, I think.

Photographer should supply wardrobe if they have a certain look they want.  I never ask models to bring stuff they don't already own for my own ideas. I'm also a photographer just posting from a model profile. If I have an idea I supply the necessary elements to make it happen.

Feb 22 13 05:07 am Link

Photographer

GM Photography

Posts: 6140

Olympia, Washington, US

If this is a trade shoot, it should benefit both parties.  Ask the photographer if you can get some shots wearing the wardrobe you want for your portfolio and help him get what he wants in his.  If it's a paid shoot, wear what you're asked to wear.

Feb 22 13 05:49 am Link

Photographer

JimBobLc

Posts: 199

Martinsburg, West Virginia, US

You would think any serious model would at least have one pair of heels. One dress. And one pair of somewhat nice bra and panties. And any artistic/creative person (as many models claim to be) would figure out a way to beg borrow or steal some wardrobe fundamentals before the shoot without ever letting the photographer know she was barefoot and wearing sackcloth when not shooting.

Feb 22 13 06:03 am Link

Photographer

RKD Photographic

Posts: 3265

Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

Angie Borras wrote:

Photographer should supply wardrobe if they have a certain look they want.  I never ask models to bring stuff they don't already own for my own ideas. I'm also a photographer just posting from a model profile. If I have an idea I supply the necessary elements to make it happen.

I agree - but the OP seems to be suggesting she prefers her 'own' look to something supplied by the photographer... or did I read it wrong?
She seems to think the dress supplied by the photographer doesn't 'suit' her...

"I" think for TFP work where budgets may be limited, models should have a selection of three or four different looks, otherwise they risk pigeon-holing themselves; though I do have a small selection of outfits in my studio, it's impractical to stock lots of different sizes, 'just in case'...

Feb 22 13 06:12 am Link

Photographer

True Beauty Boudoir

Posts: 32

Katy, Texas, US

RKD Photographic wrote:
A model I know has only one pair of 'heels' - since she never wears them to walk in, she simply spray-paints them according to the outfit she's planning to wear.

An idea I never would have thought of.

Feb 22 13 07:41 am Link

Photographer

photo212grapher

Posts: 1606

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Do not buy something to please him. Talk to him. Find out what he is able to provide to get the look he wants. He'll either buck up for the outfit, cancel, or change his theme. Canceling due to lack of heels is not likely. Barefoot in an elegant gown is charming, too. Or the cliché look of army boots with a formal dress.

You can ask friends if they have heels you can borrow. Or hit the thrift shop. Remember you are not trying to impress a date or your ex's new girlfriend.

Feb 22 13 07:42 am Link

Photographer

Loki Studio

Posts: 3183

Royal Oak, Michigan, US

Send him photos of the stuff you already have and have him confirm he wants to shoot them.

Feb 22 13 07:49 am Link

Model

Acanthus Tattoos

Posts: 432

Union, New Jersey, US

have a conversation about it, including finding out whether you can do some shots of each of the styles, both parties stretch from the typical look

Feb 22 13 08:30 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23083

Salem, Oregon, US

a trade shoot is supposed to be some of what the model wants and some of what the photographer wants. if you can't give him what he wants then let him know so he can find someone who can.

for my part i love shooting models in nice dresses, especially if they are on the ALT side. i like to play them against type.

Feb 22 13 08:32 am Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7319

New York, New York, US

Angie Borras wrote:

Photographer should supply wardrobe if they have a certain look they want.  I never ask models to bring stuff they don't already own for my own ideas. I'm also a photographer just posting from a model profile. If I have an idea I supply the necessary elements to make it happen.

exactly....

Feb 22 13 08:40 am Link

Photographer

Jackson frontier photos

Posts: 533

Joplin, Missouri, US

Kitty LaRose wrote:
Communication is essential. Don't be afraid to be really specific. smile

^^^ that's the answer to 90% of all of these problems.

Feb 22 13 08:55 am Link

Photographer

David Kirk

Posts: 4642

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Lee N wrote:
I'm a little worried about a shoot I have coming up. The photographer has a concept he'd like to work with, but he would also like to just shoot me in "heels and a dress". I have a fairly offbeat sense of style (metalhead/witchy), and after taking a closer look at his portfolio it seems as though he'd like me to wear something pretty basic, rather boring...I don't even own a normal pair of heels!

What should I do about this? I feel like if I show up in something that is more "me" it will disappoint him, but buying new clothing to please photographers has not been a good idea in the past. Advice?

Ask the photographer exactly this.  It sounds like you two are on two different pages regarding what to shoot.  If you're not interested in what the photographer wants to shoot and he's not interested in what you want to shoot then you could always decide to shoot both, but the better answer is probably not to shoot together at all.  Find a photographer who wants to shoot what you want.  Even when paying a photographer to shoot you I would recommend finding one who likes to shoot in that style.

Feb 22 13 10:26 am Link

Photographer

Photography of Eddie

Posts: 39

Antioch, California, US

RKD Photographic wrote:
Also if you're a 'model', then you should have more than one 'look' IMO. The ability to transform your look to meet the expectations of the photographer will also help you get more work offers...
Try to do something other than the way you normally represent yourself. Otherwise all you're getting is a series of nice portraits of 'you'.

Putting down 'portrait-fashion' as your preferred shooting-styles and then refusing to shoot anything other than the one or two outfits in your wardrobe is ever so slightly limiting, I think.

+1   ...also like to add especially if you are new to modeling, it should be all about reps right now. You'll still get to practice your posing and facial expressions during the shoot. If you don't like any of the results, just don't use them in your port and move on having gained a little more experience in the process!...Just my $.02, Good Luck

Feb 22 13 11:27 pm Link

Model

Amber Dawn - Indiana

Posts: 6254

Salem, Indiana, US

As a Model you should have MANY styles. If the Photographer has a specific idea in mind and needs specific items the Photographer should provide those items.

Feb 23 13 04:34 pm Link

Photographer

Darren Brade

Posts: 2965

London, England, United Kingdom

Lee N wrote:
I'm a little worried about a shoot I have coming up. The photographer has a concept he'd like to work with, but he would also like to just shoot me in "heels and a dress". I have a fairly offbeat sense of style (metalhead/witchy), and after taking a closer look at his portfolio it seems as though he'd like me to wear something pretty basic, rather boring...I don't even own a normal pair of heels!

What should I do about this? I feel like if I show up in something that is more "me" it will disappoint him, but buying new clothing to please photographers has not been a good idea in the past. Advice?

Let him know the extent of your wardrobe (if you both have smartphones use WhatsApp to share pics of your clothes), and and discuss from there.

No one got anywhere by walking way.

Have fun.

Darren x

Feb 23 13 06:37 pm Link