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Photographer

money_train

Posts: 51

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

what is artistic nude?

Mar 02 13 11:02 am Link

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MelissaAnn

Posts: 3956

Seattle, Washington, US

money_train wrote:
what is artistic nude?

A nude image that *you* find to be artistic.

Mar 02 13 11:06 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15596

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

MelissaAnn  wrote:

A nude image that *you* find to be artistic.

Some may find porn artistic.

Mar 02 13 11:10 am Link

Photographer

Imageography

Posts: 6768

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

I had a famous photographer once tell me :

If the model is nude and looking at the camera, that's a nude photo

If the model is nude and is not looking at the camera, that's an artistic nude



To me, artistic nude means there is something in the image other than (again another quote) "balls out nude"

For instance, a nude posing majestically, conforming with natural geometry like trees and nature, walking in rain with an umbrella, knitting, baking a cake, ninja sword fighting .. lol -- anything other than standing there, or giving us a gynecology lesson.

Mar 02 13 11:11 am Link

Photographer

Gary Melton

Posts: 6399

Dallas, Texas, US

money_train wrote:
what is artistic nude?

MelissaAnn  wrote:
A nude image that *you* find to be artistic.

/end of thread

Mar 02 13 11:11 am Link

Photographer

NewBoldPhoto

Posts: 4900

PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US

c_h_r_i_s wrote:

Some may find porn artistic.

True... but more accurately some find certain porn artistic.

Mar 02 13 11:12 am Link

Photographer

Light and Lens Studio

Posts: 1517

Sisters, Oregon, US

Oh!  No!!!

Not this again.

Mar 02 13 11:15 am Link

Retoucher

IdontKnowIForgot

Posts: 3827

Louth, England, United Kingdom

c_h_r_i_s wrote:

Some may find porn artistic.

Some find artistic nudes to be porn. wink

Mar 02 13 11:30 am Link

Photographer

Vector One Photography

Posts: 2803

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US

Like beauty,  both artistic and porn are in the eye of the beholder.

If it is devoid of sexuality then it's artistic.... well not always.

If you find the universal definition of "artistic" you can start working on the universal definition of good and bad.

I agree with the eye contact statement. If there is eye contact it is glamor and if there isn't then it's artistic.... well usually but with exceptions.

Mar 02 13 11:31 am Link

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BTHPhoto

Posts: 6828

Fairbanks, Alaska, US

Art - a personal expression; a statement of the producer's vision, emotion, or world view.
Nude - absence of clothing.

If it communicates something substantive about how you see and relate to the world, includes one or more naked humans, you're there.  Otherwise, you're not.

Mar 02 13 11:36 am Link

Photographer

Dark Attitude Photo

Posts: 2829

Rochester, New York, US

Its always been and always will be Perception

Mar 02 13 11:37 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15596

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Robert Mapplethorpe ?

Mar 02 13 11:37 am Link

Photographer

NewBoldPhoto

Posts: 4900

PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Robert Mapplethorpe ?

He passed on and doesn't shoot anymore

Mar 02 13 11:46 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15596

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

NewBoldPhoto wrote:

He passed on and doesn't shoot anymore

I'm aware of that.... but was his work artistic nude ?

Mar 02 13 11:59 am Link

Photographer

NewBoldPhoto

Posts: 4900

PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US

c_h_r_i_s wrote:
I'm aware of that.... but was his work artistic nude ?

Depends on which image you look at Black Book and Lady: Lisa Lyon certainly are. With some of his other stuff it gets a bit more difficult for some minds/eyes to find artistic value.
Some find this one a bit too over the line
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/map … is-ar00215

Mar 02 13 12:14 pm Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 22713

Salem, Oregon, US

if the model has small breasts it's art. large breasts and it's glamour. lol.

Mar 02 13 01:44 pm Link

Photographer

Gary Melton

Posts: 6399

Dallas, Texas, US

money_train wrote:
what is artistic nude?

MelissaAnn  wrote:
A nude image that *you* find to be artistic.

Gary Melton wrote:
/end of thread

...seriously...THINK about it.

Imagine a photograph - the person who created it says it's "art"...someone else looks at it and say it's NOT "art".

It's a bit like a member of one religion saying that the God that THEY worship is the one and ONLY God...and so the God of ALL other religions is NOT God.

Art is simply "in the eye of the beholder"...

/really and truly/end of thread

Mar 02 13 01:48 pm Link

Photographer

alessandro2009

Posts: 7610

Florence, Toscana, Italy

MelissaAnn  wrote:
A nude image that *you* find to be artistic.

+1

Mar 03 13 01:45 am Link

Photographer

Herman van Gestel

Posts: 2149

Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands

often a "cover-it-all"-excuse to shoot nude...it's rarely art...

H.

Mar 03 13 02:01 am Link

Model

Axioma

Posts: 6795

Gent, East Flanders, Belgium

1 It has to be nude
2 It has to be artistic

Done ^^.

Mar 03 13 02:21 am Link

Photographer

Michael McGowan

Posts: 3661

Tucson, Arizona, US

I find it's a nude that some gallery will hang. Even better if it's a local gallery. The art market is fickle, and some things that are art today won't be tomorrow and vice versa.

Mar 03 13 02:29 am Link

Model

Designa Davina

Posts: 1

London, England, United Kingdom

Not spreadeagled

Mar 03 13 03:01 am Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24315

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

its artistic, when the image is more about the art/skill of the photographer, than the model in the image..usually the model is anonymous, oblivious to the camera.

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Mar 03 13 03:15 am Link

Photographer

Tim Media

Posts: 95

Columbia, Missouri, US

c_h_r_i_s wrote:

Some may find porn artistic.

True...Artistic nude, or even nude can be porn or IT CAN NOT BE PORN.  It's all about intent.

Pornography (often abbreviated as "porn" in informal usage) is the explicit portrayal of sexual subject matter for the purpose of sexual gratification. Pornography ...

But to make it more complicated...An artistic or nude photo that was not intended to be use for sexual gratification by the original creator, can indeed be used as sexual gratification by the end user.  But that still does not make it porn.

Amazon.com lets you sell nudes and artistic all day long (posters or books) but they have a strict policy against porn.

Mar 03 13 04:03 am Link

Photographer

Clinton Winant

Posts: 30

Solana Beach, California, US

I just don't get the "eye contact" distinction.  Whether a nude is artistic, pornographic or erotic is determined by how suggestive the pose is of sexuality.  In my shots of nude men and women, I am trying to show the beauty of the human body.  The emotion I wnt to convey is not sexuality (nothing wrong with that, mind you), but that sense of weightlessness that comes when you are knocked out by great beauty.

Mar 03 13 06:59 am Link

Model

Cree Synster

Posts: 276

Milledgeville, Georgia, US

To me, artistic nudes are not meant to get someone 'hot', they're solely meant to show off the beauty of the human form.

Mar 03 13 08:54 am Link

Photographer

olivierparis

Posts: 3

Paris, Île-de-France, France

Synster Veronica wrote:
To me, artistic nudes are not meant to get someone 'hot', they're solely meant to show off the beauty of the human form.

True. Beauty does not mean sex. Beauty is a way our soul sees the world. It is a personnal point of view.
That's why this question can be asked forever since there is no general answer.

Mar 03 13 10:18 am Link

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Mz Muse

Posts: 286

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

It's all about lighting and the mood of the photo. The pose really doesnt matter.

Mar 03 13 10:26 am Link

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ontherocks

Posts: 22713

Salem, Oregon, US

i think the idea is while they might not get you hot they might get someone else hot. i've seen "art nudes" that were quite erotic (to me). that's where the mind of the viewer comes into play.

Synster Veronica wrote:
To me, artistic nudes are not meant to get someone 'hot', they're solely meant to show off the beauty of the human form.

Mar 03 13 10:32 am Link

Photographer

NewBoldPhoto

Posts: 4900

PORT MURRAY, New Jersey, US

Designa Davina wrote:
Not spreadeagled

No? Why not?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … iatour.jpg

Mar 03 13 10:33 am Link

Model

Mz Muse

Posts: 286

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

NewBoldPhoto wrote:
No? Why not?

Lol

+1

Mar 03 13 10:37 am Link

Photographer

Marin Photography NYC

Posts: 7269

New York, New York, US

It's all art if you say it is.

Will everyone agree? Probably not. 

Do it anyway! Now get out there and shoot noods!

Mar 03 13 10:43 am Link

Photographer

r T p

Posts: 3092

Los Angeles, California, US

money_train wrote:
what is artistic nude?


do
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_Nude

Mar 03 13 10:59 am Link

Model

CRIMSON REIGN

Posts: 816

Baltimore, Maryland, US

For me, artistic nudes are those that touch the spirit and soul and not the loins. It's the use of angles, shadows, and lighting that brings about an appreciation of beauty beyond the "OOO, LOOK...SHE NEKKID!" In these types of photos, your face doesn't have to be seen. Think of the sculptures/statues in Rome or Greece. Here's one of me done by the late Jerry Harke...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/7047599

Mar 04 13 09:19 am Link

Model

Melodye Joy

Posts: 545

Rancho Cucamonga, California, US

money_train wrote:
what is artistic nude?

Depends on ones perception of art.
-Some find natural beauty, natural light & a man/woman's body to be artistic.
-Some prefer nudity mixed with makeup, bodypaint, headdress, accessories.
-Some find sexual activity/porn artistic
-Some find lingerie or fashion mixed with nudity or parts implied as artistic

It's up to YOU what you want to define as "artistic nudity".

Personally, I think any view of the natural body, with or without some covering, can be artistic.

Mar 04 13 09:31 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

Imageography wrote:
I had a famous photographer once tell me :

If the model is nude and looking at the camera, that's a nude photo

If the model is nude and is not looking at the camera, that's an artistic nude



To me, artistic nude means there is something in the image other than (again another quote) "balls out nude"

For instance, a nude posing majestically, conforming with natural geometry like trees and nature, walking in rain with an umbrella, knitting, baking a cake, ninja sword fighting .. lol -- anything other than standing there, or giving us a gynecology lesson.

So, figure studies aren't art? 

Interesting.

Using mine as an example, this WOULD apparently be art, because of that whole "natural geometry" thing (both 18+)

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/15089501

While this wouldn't, since it's just the model:
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/16169171

To the OP; I think of images as "art" if that's the way it was approached, and that was the goal.  Certainly, some people are better at it than others, but at least in my mind, I can usually tell what was intended as art.

Mar 04 13 05:19 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

ontherocks wrote:
if the model has small breasts it's art. large breasts and it's glamour. lol.

I've seen that, and the more detailed version.  But it just doesn't work with me.  Large breasted, shaved, model, in color, in a bed.  And, however good it may or may not be, I see it as much more "art" than "glamour."
(18+)
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4070/4306 … 6fb8_o.jpg

Mar 04 13 05:24 pm Link

Photographer

JimBobLc

Posts: 199

Martinsburg, West Virginia, US

An art nude is a nude that is unfit for masturbation.

Mar 04 13 05:24 pm Link

Photographer

BareLight

Posts: 509

Kansas City, Kansas, US

If the subject is nude and the intent was to create art, it is art.

Whether it is received as such is determined by the individual viewer.

Mar 04 13 05:38 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 11892

Olivet, Michigan, US

JimBobLc wrote:
An art nude is a nude that is unfit for masturbation.

I've seen plenty of "glamour" that is unfit for viewing, let alone masturbation.

Mar 04 13 05:42 pm Link